Honestly, I think Sony is going to be more stubborn than Valve. I saw in another thread where some people were getting approved for their Steam refunds even after passing the 2-hour refund window, so it looks like Valve may already be the first to cave.
Sony’s probably going to continue digging their heels in, though.
While 177 countries sounds like a lot, it’s not where the majority of players are. PSN operates in the top 15 countries by GDP and the top 4 by population.
Of course there’s still the question of why they work in so few countries when literally none of their competitors (that I know of) have those limitations.
This is accurate. I work at a international company. We will tell a bunch of countries to go fuck themselves since combined, they make like 1% of sales.
I’m not saying it’s right or wrong. I’m just saying it’s a thing many companies do.
I have knowledge on mobile gaming, they do this too.
It doesn’t pay to manage some shitty off brand Android phone’s compatibility issues when your whole country spends less in a month than a half dozen midwestern moms in an evening on the game.
It’s because it’s a Japanese company. I’m not saying this out of racism but because they’re known for being archaic in how they do certain things. Like game modding and work schedules. Their public transit is top fucking notch though.
I’ve been to Japan a few times. Only Tokyo is super accurate with time. Go to any other Japanese city and it’s no different from any other city in the world. Late trains. Buses that are 10 mins late or not even showing.
Can we kill this narrative that Japan is hyper efficient with public transportation?
That wasn’t in response to my racist comment but in response to the archaic comment. They’re as much archaic in procedure and bureaucracy as they are advanced in tech.
I think the mistake was ever thinking that one company is “good” while the other is “bad”. Companies are just different flavors of bad once they grow above a size of, well, once they are companies.
PSN (PlayStation Network) is available in 73 countries.
It was PSNow (PlayStation Now, their game steaming service) that was only in 19 countries.
PSNow was merged into PlayStation Plus as the Premium level package, and is in 30 or so countries.
The accounts are so important that you’re willing to lose sales in that many countries?!
To be fair, the game wasn’t supposed to be sold in those countries to begin with. Sony and Valve screwed up the region settings.
But it was, so who is going to take responsibility for it? Is Sony going to back down from the requirement? Is Valve going to refund all those users?
From what I’ve heard Valve is already refunding most everyone who asks for a refund given this controversy.
Honestly, I think Sony is going to be more stubborn than Valve. I saw in another thread where some people were getting approved for their Steam refunds even after passing the 2-hour refund window, so it looks like Valve may already be the first to cave.
Sony’s probably going to continue digging their heels in, though.
Can confirm, saw one approved refund with 97 hours on the clock.
Sometimes (almost always) I wish that the refunded money wouldn’t come out of Steams/Valves pocket…
While 177 countries sounds like a lot, it’s not where the majority of players are. PSN operates in the top 15 countries by GDP and the top 4 by population.
Of course there’s still the question of why they work in so few countries when literally none of their competitors (that I know of) have those limitations.
some huge countries on that list, philippines, pakistan, nigeria, egypt
pretty embarassing
Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia too. Not exactly developing countries.
They are also EU countries. I am not even sure it’s perfectly legal to sell stuff in the EU and not sell to residents of specific countries.
No harm no foul until somebody makes a report I guess.
This is accurate. I work at a international company. We will tell a bunch of countries to go fuck themselves since combined, they make like 1% of sales.
I’m not saying it’s right or wrong. I’m just saying it’s a thing many companies do.
I have knowledge on mobile gaming, they do this too.
It doesn’t pay to manage some shitty off brand Android phone’s compatibility issues when your whole country spends less in a month than a half dozen midwestern moms in an evening on the game.
I don’t doubt what you’re saying, but you have to admit that this is terrible PR for them.
If the past thirty years of Sony history has anything to say… I’m sure they’re doing this right now:
It’s because it’s a Japanese company. I’m not saying this out of racism but because they’re known for being archaic in how they do certain things. Like game modding and work schedules. Their public transit is top fucking notch though.
I’ve been to Japan a few times. Only Tokyo is super accurate with time. Go to any other Japanese city and it’s no different from any other city in the world. Late trains. Buses that are 10 mins late or not even showing.
Can we kill this narrative that Japan is hyper efficient with public transportation?
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That wasn’t in response to my racist comment but in response to the archaic comment. They’re as much archaic in procedure and bureaucracy as they are advanced in tech.
I heard Hitler invented the Volkswagen boat
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Only because we didn’t know better when we were kids.
I think the mistake was ever thinking that one company is “good” while the other is “bad”. Companies are just different flavors of bad once they grow above a size of, well, once they are companies.
PSN (PlayStation Network) is available in 73 countries.
It was PSNow (PlayStation Now, their game steaming service) that was only in 19 countries. PSNow was merged into PlayStation Plus as the Premium level package, and is in 30 or so countries.
Strange then that they are now only listed in 18 countries.
Strange then that they are now only listed in 18 countries.
That is definitely strange, but might be an overreaction by Valve and not done by Arrowhead.
Edit: Seems it was indeed done by Valve.