Finally, a pi good for 4K video! (Apparently Raspberry Pi 4 could as well, but I am assuming this is an improvement. I still have a couple of Raspberry Pi 3’s.)
You won’t notice a difference in h265 4k video as each has a decoder, but Youtube performance would definitely be improved. My Rpi4 struggles with 4k60p youtube videos because it lacks a VP9 decoder.
Sadly no hardware AV1 decode though. Though it can apparently decode AV1 in software up to 1080p.
I don’t know about lately, but 4k on Pi 4 was always janky.
Even the Pi has lost its headphone jack…
To be fair, the pi’s have always been famous for low quality sound cards, so there’s plenty of hats that can add the functionality.
It’s a shame that even the Pi Foundation is cutting corners. Cutting corners and removing features all while not even coming close to their target $35 price. Almost double for the base model. This doesn’t feel like it fits the spirit of the original Pi Foundation goals at all.
I generally hate the “just get dongles lol” argument but… maybe it’s not a huge loss in this one specific case. I’ve had four models over 3 generations (B, 2-something and 3) and the audio jack always kinda… sucked.
How do you mean, what sucked about it?
It was some hacked-together sound output that was terrible quality compared to a real sound card output, AFAIK. You could make it make sounds, but if you care at all about quality it was a non-starter, which is one reason a whole lot of audio hats exist.
I remember when i wanted to make something like a chromecast audio with volumio and spotify connect on my Pi 2. I had to buy an audio DAC (~30€) because I could not get the 3.5 Jack to work correctly. It just sounded bad when cranked up to a volume you could actually hear something. You almost couldn’t understand lyrics in songs due to the static noise. I read that this was due to being badly shielded from the power source.
The Audio jack on the Pi 3 I have is ok, but still not that good compared to the Audio DAC of course. But then again, the audio DAC i bought for 30€ was said to be on par with 1000€ standalone audio interfaces lol.
Connectors seemed low quality and so did the audio. Crackling and sounding… sort of like a broken toy for kids.
The sound quality sucks.
There’s just not enough room
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Very cool they’ve added an interface to connect a peripheral that can have one though.
I mean, if you have USB, for a non-mobile platform, it doesn’t really matter. It’s not hard to get a USB audio interface.
For cell phones or laptops, I can understand not wanting another thing to plug in, but for something like a Raspberry Pi…shrugs
And you can just get an audio dac hat.
Hmm. Yeah, though I have to say that the USB route looks cheaper.
USB audio will always be better in pricing options, but the question is, which will give you better sound for the price. Of course, this only matters if you think audio quality is more important than price.
Why would you expect USB to constrain your audio quality?
You’re not getting better 0s or 1s based on which bus they’re sent over to the DAC.
Please re-read my response. I never said that USB would always constrain the audio quality, but if you get a cheap USB to aux converter, the quality would be lacking vs a more expensive solution.
You are making just such a weird argument and it sounds like you are retroactively trying to salvage a bad position because you made a mistake.
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If you care strongly about audio quality. A built-in doesn’t have any quality guarantees… why then does usb vs hat matter?
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If quality is your concern why bring up price in the first part? It is blatantly obvious that cheap parts *might" equate to cheap quality. This is blatantly obvious.
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Obviously there will be USB solutions that are equal or better solutions than prebuilt rpi dac hats since the primary dac hats are exceptionally niche.
This response just sounds like you got caught out in your mistake/bad argument. Why be a dick about it?
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Fool me once…
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Better support? Better drivers? Larger community? More open? Longer support period? More ethical product? More HDMI outputs? Cheaper? More third party projects available?
You have to be more specific. Better is a very broad term
I assume this will be prohibitively expensive (I really can’t shell out any more than £60 and that’s pushing it already), and probably impossible to get my hands on.
But if it’s affordable and actually available? Hell yeah, this thing looks fantastic. I love that we’re making something awesome here in the UK and sharing it with the world.
Will we finally be able to run N64 games on this hardware, do you think?
Considering single core performance was the main thing holding it back previously. There is a good chance Nintendo 64 emulation should be better. Other Arm based SBC have been able to do it relatively easily for a while.
N64 could be done before with overclocking by the looks of it, so this should handle it as a baseline.
Although nothing really gets you over the “our games are in 3D and we don’t really know what we’re doing” jank of the PS1 and N64 era.
more like Raspberry Bye 5 (the stock will all be scalped)
I told myself id give up all hope if there was no m.2 slot . Guess I’m going on a diet and never eating Pi again!
There is Rock Pi and other SoC’s that have that. That H3/H3+ looks like a good option for a low power server for self hosting.
They announced the M.2 HAT in the linked article…
Really not interested in a hat, should be on the bottom like all modern sbcs
These things are great for [email protected] often time leagues more efficient per watt in terms of computation than regular PCs. I have a couple of 'em working on cancer research and computing to develop an open-source patent-free covid antiviral. You don’t need a PhD to make a difference, all you need is a processor :)
I did a quick Google.
https://web.eece.maine.edu/~vweaver/group/green_machines.htmlIs the best actual test data I can find. It uses a physical power meter, so it’s full system (not TDP or self reporting power consumption).
And it’s a few years out of date.
Seems like Apple silicon is the winner (and will probably continue to be).
The Xeon that beats the rpi4 for GFLOPS/watt is an e5v3, which was launched in 2013 and EOL in 2021.
So there will absolutely be some new Xeon CPUs that will perform better.However, for a $50 device, it’s probably the best GFLOPS/watt/$ from what little empirical data I can find
If they were more efficient per watt for scientific computing, you’d hear about researchers building HPC clusters from them.
If they were more efficient per watt for scientific computing, you’d hear about researchers building HPC clusters from them.
Efficiency per watt is not the same as total cost of ownership. Pis are expensive for the amount of compute you get from them in total, but the compute itself is efficient per watt. You would need at least a dozen Pis to rival the latest CPU processors in terms of total output, a dozen Pis is more expensive to buy than a single CPU.
*more efficient than regular PCs. Not more efficient than supercomputers lol
No nvme support? Oh come on. Still using microhdmi? OH COME ON
Apparently there’s going to be an nvme HAT.
I wonder if they can finally run on fully open source firmware.
Our newer, faster CPU is complemented by a newer, faster GPU: Broadcom’s VideoCore VII, developed here in Cambridge, with fully open source Mesa drivers from our friends at Igalia.
Idk about fully but the above is a good change imo
Open source driver is definitely a good thing.
This doesn’t say anything about the firmware itself tho.
Indeed; my bad. Hadn’t had my ☕ yet I guess lol
Broadcom is the main problem
“we notice everyone is having trouble getting our previous model due to scalpers, so we released a new version at double the price!”
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Goddamn it, just after I bought a Beelink mini PC a couple weeks ago.
A mini PC is the way to go if you want to self host a media server such as Jellyfin. You have to do a little research, but you can find mini PCs with Intel chips that have Quick Sync for transcoding for around $100 on Amazon.
Eh that x86 cpu will still be faster than pi5
No worries, you won’t be able to find one anyways :)
Oh cool, been waiting for this announcement. Nice.
Great! Now we just need an announcement about the successor to the RP2040…
Why do you want a successor?
I want more cores and more importantly, more ADC pins. Also, being able to use more PIOs simultaneously would be fantastic.
Furthermore I want one of those matrix modules aka “AI accelerators” to play with 😁
How do the matrix modules work?
As far as I know, black magic 🤷
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Custom IO is where the RP2040 shines. There aren’t many like it.
There are rp2040 bits in the new RP1 custom silicon southbridge thing.
