I couldn’t figure out how to message the mods (or even individual users) on my app. A space to discuss the survey and your post would be nice.
Edit: Got mod approval to keep this up
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Assuming this post stays up, guess I’ll start.
(Edit: first off, the question is easy to misread, and I voted the opposite of my intent. So I voted twice in my intended intent to offset it)
I voted yes because I fully recognize it’s a joke, but I also fully recognize it’s a joke in poor taste.
I watched Yahtzee religiously back in the day, laughed at this specific joke, and thought it was odd a community adopted the name.
I’d also like to point people to this community without awkward introductions.
What would you be pointing them to if it’s not called c/pcmasterrace? “Hey, go check out c/pc”? There are already multiple PC gaming communities across the various Lemmy instances.
Either this community exists, or it doesn’t. Those who are of the opinion that it shouldn’t exist should probably just move along.
I’m bad at coming up with names, but anything that evokes “is best” that isn’t “master race” would work.
Here are some probably bad examples:
- PC Is King
- PC Over Consoles
- PC Reigns Supreme
- PC Ascendency
But the joke is “we’re part of the Glorious PC Master Race”, not “PC is best”. That’s some 5 year old bibble-babble bullshit.
The reality is that this community will either exist as c/pcmasterrace, or it simply won’t exist.
And calling ourselves a “master race”, no matter how much in jest isn’t funny. It screams edgelord gamer and has a ton of racist dog whistles.
Personally I’d rather the community not exist at all. It’s downright cringe and hasn’t been funny ever.
My point though is that the implications of both phrases is the same.
“We are part of the glorious PC Master Race” = “We are part of a group of humans who understand PCs are better than any alternative”
One’s more extreme with a stained past (regardless of how subjectively cringey it may sound), the other is not.
PCElitism, because that’s pretty much what it is. Alternatively, PCRules
- PC Is King
- PC Over Consoles
- PC Reigns Supreme
- PC Ascendency
Right! I stood over my PC and recited those phrases. I got an extra 20 FPS!! Incredible!
Console players hate this simple trick.
I think too many people forgot the satire in the original name.
I’ll add my 2 cents
LinusTechTips came out with a line of PCMR merch and the first thing I thought was that I wouldn’t be caught dead wearing something that says master race, especially not in one of the major liberal cities on the west coast.
Joke or not it comes across as very insensitive and has imo hasn’t been funny since I was like 12.
Definitely, as someone mentioned in a 2015 thread (https://libreddit.domain.glass/r/pcmasterrace/comments/2sehgh/pc_gamer_stop_calling_ourselves_the_pc_master/cnopv2a/),
- As an American. I would wear a pcmr shirt.
- Would you use a “PC Slave Masters” shirt in, say, Detroit?
- Huh? Is that relevant?
- Yes. Each country has it’s social issues, stigmas, and taboos. In Germany Nazism is a major taboo, in the States racism and slavery is one.
You obviously have not even looked at the LTT merch or you would know it doesn’t say master race. It is just PCMR. https://www.lttstore.com/collections/pcmr
And if anyone asks I’m not going to be able to explain it. PCMR means the same damn thing.
Y’all don’t have to agree, but there’s still no way in hell I’d be caught dead wearing it.
I’m not personally offended by the name but I understand why it is problematic. If the name stays I won’t be upset I get it’s not meant in harm, but if people are offended enough by it and want it changed I’m not going to lose any sleep over it. It’s not about the name it’s about the comradare and community around PC gaming and hardware enthusiasm that we all share. And of course superiority over console plebs (even this mentality seems to have changed, which isn’t really a bad thing, although PC is superior to console)
Okay, let’s use this so the community can discuss further.
Housekeeping note:
- Keep it civil
- Don’t be a jerk, nasty, etc.
I wanted to comment this on the why-google thread, but that was locked, so I’ll post it here:
"What you should be doing is converting this light complaint into an hard feature request: Let Lemmy posts include polls. I don’t doubt more would feel polls are a useful thing to have, and Lemmy is already very big on making things optional per instance and per community, so there’s an answer to those who may dislike them.
Also, give those polls some control, like, allow only users who subbed for X time, who belong to the local instance, and stuff like that."
@[email protected] is just a mod, a user like you who also moderates a community. They have no control over the things you’re talking about, which would require the Lemmy developers to implement.
It’s a response to the OP of the locked thread, which I doubt was locked by said user. I want my comment to be public, specially since it pertains the whole community in that local polls would service everyone, so the placement of my response (as well as me sending it in a dm to the OP) is fitting.
And respectfully, that’s also wrong. Every single user has the power to make a feature request. There is zero technical knowledge required to do it, and also, moderators are actually in a better position to do so, as, if they do one, they get to represent the community they manage.
Fair enough.
Appreciate the feedback. I’m not an Admin of this lemmy instance, but polls are currently not supported.
There is an enhancement request filed in order to add native polls in a future release: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/787
Curious to see the results of that poll
People complaining about the name are up there with people who think the git branch
masteris racist. If someone doesn’t want to take a few seconds to understand context, and intends to be offended from the start, they are going to find a reason to be offended.Yeah, it’s so dumb.
They did the same in digital circuits (master-slave flip flops) and even in communication protocols.
Comparing critics of the PCMR name to people who think the word
masteris racist is pretty disingenuous. It’s literallymaster race, a term that was coined to identify a group of humankind which is better than the rest, a term that is inseparable from Nazi’s.It’s not about being offended. It’s about being at odds with myself for wanting to be a part of a community because I agree with its values, while wanting to disassociate from the community because of a (seemingly) easy to change name that people don’t want to change.
I knew an addict once… he died… do you think it’s a joke? You should really consider changing your name
False equivalency. “Addict” has different meaning dependent on the volatility of what you’re addicted to. “Master Race” has one meaning.
I mean, master race absolutely has a meaning. That meaning is independent of nazi use, just as the swastika is a symbol outside of nazi use.
It isn’t about being offended. The change hurts no one. The name has a stupid history. It doesn’t matter to me. I don’t know why people are so attached to this name. The stubborn stupidity about keeping it when it affects no one, proves that it should change. I haven’t seen a single substantive reason for keeping a name with a Nazi origin. The vast majority of people do not know or care about an article from 2013. I have not read the article, or played the game. It was 10 years ago. There is no broad consciousness of this origin when a random person encounters the name of this community. Most people associate this name with Nazism and try to give the benefit of the doubt about it being satire. Non native English speakers are far less likely to understand the satire. People showing attachment to this name is a primary reason it should change.
Just to add to your point, here is a comment about German users commenting that they would not feel comfortable wearing PCMR gear in Germany, and that was in 2015, the reaction would probably be even stronger today: https://libreddit.domain.glass/r/pcmasterrace/comments/2sehgh/pc_gamer_stop_calling_ourselves_the_pc_master/cnopv2a/
Just wanted to say thank you to the mods to start this discussion. It will definitely be a heated one, but it was probably needed.
I am voting for PC Glorious Overlords!
Ooh, I kinda like PC Overlords. If they do change the name, that’s the one I want.
This whole thing is an exercise in futility. You’re going to change the name, someone else will take it and nobody will use the new community because nobody’s ever heard of it and pcmr will be there anyway.
I second this, I specifically searched PCMR on lemmy to join this community. There are going to be many people coming from reddit who do the same thing in the future
PC Master Race is a joke, people. It haves nothing to do with racist stuff. PC gamers/users are not a race. So I don’t get people’s problem.
If the mods want to switch their name to something else, do it, but don’t hold the current community hostage. Go make a new community and hand this one over to someone who wants it.
Part of the joke is the fact that it’s so over-the-top. All the suggestions I’ve seen for possible replacements have been terrible.
From my experience with PCMR on reddit since 2017, I’ve never encountered any pro nazi’ism. This community has always been against those ideals.
Changing the name will do nothing except disenfranchise current members, and make it seem like PCMR was pro-nazi in the past, which it never, ever, was.
I always thought the name was cringe.
I don’t have any real meta discussion. I just have a random name suggestion.
PC Master Class
It’s kind of a joke on the idea of a master class in some subject.
