Lemmy: “that is a fair point”
Reddit: “you fucking moron”
Personally I liked many of the opposite views and some conflict. Made for entertaining discussions at times even if I don’t agree with it.
When everyone has the same opinion, not much left to discuss.
I am currently in the middle of a lengthy political argument with someone on c/politics, and we fundamentally disagree on things, but both of us are being cordial about it and I appreciate that.
Yeah I managed to find that Reddit dude when arguing with someone. Either that or I was the Reddit dude … Damn …
I got a bit heated there about something yesterday because I had irl stresses going on, and when I calmed down I went and edited my comment to make nicer and apologize for rudeness.
To my surprise, the comment is clearly still upvoted, and the guy I was talking with told me not to sweat it. A few times now I’ve posted a controversial opinion and observed it, and always, it’s at mildly upvoted.
Honestly this makes me wonder how much of the downvotes were from bots or paid shills.
It’s how old-Reddit used to be. People didn’t over-use the downvote button to disagree. They went to the effort of commenting back to give counterpoints. Redditors became lazy and instead moved to posting unfunny puns and getting trigger happy with votes.
With it discussion died or it became an echo-chamber.
Even in subs where my politics aligned it became dull-as-ditchwater discussing anything because you’d just get people more extreme in an ideology considering themselves ‘right’ because they had more upvotes.
I can’t quite figure out the purpose of the votes here and I think I just prefer to comment instead of giving an up/down.
I think the up/down thing also promotes shorter comments, at least it did for me, since I know it can be hard to totally agree with someone who is making several points so I tried to keep it short and to the point. Which is dumb, because difficult topics are complex and deserve more words thrown at them not less.
Maybe the utility of the votes for me is when I don’t know what I want to say in a reply, but I want to express something. Then I vote.
I just came from politics and basically it has devolved into name calling and piss poor hypocrisy, salted with thinly veiled death threats. Feels like home
Reddit just became blocking, banning and censorship. I don’t care if somebody disagrees with me, the muting of dissent or debate or discourse or whatever was really sinister to me. People have different opinions, we shouldn’t be so quick to deny them freedom of speech.
The uproar in c/politics is about the mods(disclosure including me) are opposed to censorship
Please do be!
Trust me the extreme Redditors are here now too.
“Extreme” redditors lmao
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When the X-Games were new, drinking Mountain Dew was considered EXTREME, ok?
Yeah I’m picturing someone dropping in on a 20ft vert ramp whilst they’re browsing reddit on a laptop or something.
I think we should define what we mean by extreme. What’s extreme to some may just be niche or even mainstream to others.
I assume they mean the loud, angry assholes.
They are flocking to all alternatives, kind of funny Reddit is exactly molded for them and still they want to come to other alternatives.
Those kind of extreme personalities often thrive on shouting people down though, which you can’t do in an echo chamber filled with only shouty people, so they follow the ones they consider to be sheep
that is a fair point
Dwight, you ignorant slut!
that is a fair point
you fucking moron
This got a genuine laugh out of me, good one guys!
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you fucking a fair point
I can’t not agree with this.
Ok, that is a fair point.
You fucking moron
I’ve always been partial to the Gordon Ramsay turn of phrase “You fucking donkey.” A little less serious. :)
Aw man I’ve never had the chance to watch anything from that guy and only know him by memes. Am I missing something really good?
Not missing anything that don’t come across in the memes, no.
Damn so the idiot sandwich is as good as it gets dang it
Filthy beansucker
Go back to reddit! Uhhhh, if it’s not too terribly inconvenient, please?
Ok that’s a fair point
You fucking moron
Dwight you ignorant slut
Stop talking you monkey
I hope Lemmy moves past this phase of directly measuring itself in every way, real and imagined, against Reddit. Doesn’t seem like a healthy way to start the community. We need our own identity if we ever hope for this to take hold.
I think getting rid of the karma system would make a world of difference. Keep votes visible on comments and posts but no total tally. All it does is bring tons of bots to farm it, and the kind of people who obsess over fake internet points… Which are always miserable assholes that we don’t need. I’ve really been enjoying how laid back every has been on here in the few days I’ve been here. I still have no clue how a decent portion of it works but I like figuring it out and seeing everyone actually being pleasnt in the comments.
This.
I guess its just natural to make comparisons between two similar products, but its something I’m sure will settle down over the coming months. I just hope that the community remains how it is and doesn’t become toxic in the way Reddir became after gaining the popularity.
That is a fair point.
You fucking moron
That is also a fair point.
New response just dropped.
Actual zombie.
Google en passant.
Accctttualy I work in the points job sector and technicalllly it is more of a “fine” point.
With that short lived bit of nostalgia for cringy old meme formats I think it’s also safe to say that this platform skews old.
If by “old” you mean not using idiotic words like “unalive”, putting trigger warnings before the word “shit” and claiming to have DID, ADHD, OCD and Autism all unprompted - then I can live with it skewing “old”.
No that’s not what he meant, you just made it up to feel important, much like how young people sometimes fake illnesses to feel special.
you just made it up to feel important
Are you mad? I don’t need to make anything up. I AM important. I am a very important.
spoken like a true geezer
fwiw “unalive” came about to circumvent automatic censorship, It’s the young people being tech savvy. Meanwhile, you’re over in the corner stewing as the world passes you by.
Don’t fall into the perpetual trap of thinking the current crop of young people are the worst thing ever, it’ll make your hair fall out
it’ll make your hair fall out
It didn’t fall out!!! It migrated to my back!
semen
Unalive is the stupidest word I’ve heard. I’ve seen one YouTube video (about true crime) using this word, and I was thinking to myself: does this word mean what I think it does? And apparently it does. I looked at the comments, hoping that someone would point this out (that this word is stupid) apparently no one was saying anything about it and I feel like that I’m the stupid one…
Its just a way to get around being demonetized. Its like a child saying frick because they aren’t allowed to curse. The word isn’t stupid, YouTube is.
I know it is… But can’t you find another existing word? For example: “to deprive of life”. Or slay. Or anything. Unalive is… an adjective. Not a verb. Of course the whole censorship is a stupid thing.
Unalive is… an adjective. Not a verb.
Language evolves in stupid directions sometimes.
Blog. Podcast. Supermoon. Hubster. Preggers.
Do you YouTube?
I actually only speak proto indo European because evolution of language is bad and wrong. If your true crime video said “deprived of life”, it would sound even worse. Goofy is better than pretentious. “slay” would probably also get you demonetized because its a well known and more mature synonym of kill. The entire point is to make a new word, so YouTube doesn’t have a chance to ban it.
I am absolutely trying my best to be friendly, tolerant and open minded here on Lemmy to set the tone for a growing culture here
You twat…
Jk don’t shoot me
I don’t think he could hear you with that bell end in your mouth, mate…
I’ll bollocks you mate
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Easy, destructive state vector upload. Now we need to figure out the download and body creation part
I think a community that welcomes bigots is unwelcoming to everyone else, and that tolerance is not a virtue that should be applied to all universally, but rather a quality that should be shared only with those that practice it themselves.
Bigotry should not be tolerated.
Then, with respect, you miss the point. It is possible that transgenderism is a net danger to society. It also might not be. It might be that there’s some space between wholesale admiration and reluctant tolerance that’s more appropriate for the population at large. Maybe not.
Point is, if no one is talking about it, then this stuff never gets hashed out and you get fracturing, underground movements, resentment, distrust, and radicalization.
Your post could be, not trying to strawman, like saying you only talk to people that agree with you. You should talk to people you perceive to be bigots, misogynists, racists, and so on because they’re the only ones unconvinced.
Presumably, you aren’t going to “catch it” from them unless they change your mind or your convictions weren’t that solid in the first place.
It is possible that transgenderism is a net danger to society.
It’s certain that bigotry is a danger to society. Trans people are no threat to society at all.
You should talk to people you perceive to be bigots, misogynists, racists, and so on because they’re the only ones unconvinced.
That doesn’t mean that everywhere has to platform them. If I want to talk to bigots, I can go to reddit, facebook, twitter, threads, 4chan, etc. Hell, even lemmy has exploding-heads. There’s no shortage of opportunities to talk to bigots. That doesn’t mean everywhere has to welcome them.
I think the joke, if it was one, was that you can’t say “transgenderism is a danger to society,” much of anywhere - Not on most of Reddit certainly, at least that’s my impression, not usually going around saying that kind of thing.
And I agree that trans people aren’t a threat, in and of themselves. It’s everyone that’s using them as a rainbow political cudgel to whip up a moral panic that’s playing with fire.
I think the joke, if it was one, was that you can’t say “transgenderism is a danger to society,” much of anywhere
I’ve seen that and worse on reddit, twitter and facebook. And definitely on 4chan and exploding-heads. Without having to look very hard.
It’s everyone that’s using them as a rainbow political cudgel to whip up a moral panic that’s playing with fire.
Conservatives have been screaming that trans people are groomers and using that as justification for introducing bathroom bills, banning books about gay and trans people, calling bomb threats in to hospitals and retailers, and openly calling for eradicating trans people. That’s what a moral panic looks like.
Exactly what would you say constitutes a moral panic that’s happening in the opposite direction?
When you make 60% of your headlines and magazine articles about the latest, brave, beautiful drag queen in (I believe) an effort to monetize resent-viewing on one side and hate-viewing on the other, you make a miniscule “community” famous. The famous have always been equal parts adored and hated, even killed sometimes.
I don’t think they asked to be the center of attention, but the other fights were so close to won that they weren’t driving enough engagement anymore, so further down the alphabet we go. Gay marriage was the last flash in the pan and now most Republicans support it. They didn’t lose. They weren’t forced. They came around. It took a while, but they did.
Which leads me to the moral panic of the other direction and that’s anything to do with religion, men’s issues, systemic racism… All blown to epic, apocalyptic proportions. The Proud Boys don’t run Hollywood or Disney or hospitals or social media platforms. They’re a handful of rednecks… In fact they’re not anything anymore, would be my guess.
The progressive, activist Left appears (to me) to be moral panic personified. Just another “join or die,” authoritarian ideology. Once upon a time, being gay might get you fired. Being a woman might prevent that promotion. Big business used to be afraid of the wrath of the Christian Right, but it’s swung in the other direction now and the progressive Left wields that power no more gracefully than the Bible-clutching WASPs did before them.
This is why politics can’t not be a cesspit.
Dwight you ignorant slut
I avoid the debate because I don’t feel informed enough to have a valid opinion.
However, it does concern me that in all the tussle over trans rights there are children in the middle being used as political footballs and many will be comitting suicide and hurting themselves because of what adults are saying in the halls of power across the world and in the newspapers.
I also feel some empathy because of a recent guidance change in the UK that is very similar to the Section 28 Law of the 90s that made my life as a gay teen very, very miserable.
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I don’t 100% agree with this posts point. If you said the Reddit comment in many of the subs you’d have the comment deleted for personal attacks. However, I do agree partially with the Lemmy one.
I’m finding myself more willing to engage with differing views while robustly defending my own views and I’ll pepper my arguments with some swearing when appropriate.
It’s a closer representation of my actual self. I’m a sweary, Northern Englishman irl but I’m fair and give peope a chance and will listen. So that’s how I behave here now.
On Reddit I talked more like a polite AI bot with no opinion on anything lest I receive a suspension or get my comment deleted by an overzealous AutoModerator bot for “personal attack”.
I wish that type of in-person language use was more acceptable throughout the US… I’m from Jersey and while I can speak freely in that region and be received normally, everyone here in the Midwest is afraid of me and thinks I’m angry when I speak freely…
I’m sure we’re going to see all sorts of behaviour here soon if we aren’t already. The Reddit attitude I hope we avoid as much as possible is that pointlessly aggressive tone though. Not just in arguments but responses to posts from people who seem to have only just learnt the word fuck and use it to add an extra condescending slant to their weirdly celebrated rant about how someone misread a paper or something.
It seems like I’ve noticed a little more of that redditbaggery the last 2 days. Could be that I’ve just been on here more though.
What I’ve hated about arguing in reddit was that they would attack things that are not relevant to the discussion at hand, like grammar, past post of the user that’s not even remotely related to the discussion.
Also they get needlessly attached to phrases and words on people’s replies taking away the context and attaching their own ideas to that. That kind of style of argument is very detrimental to civilized discourse and super exhausting to engage in.
Now we just have to keep this culture of respect, even if the platform gains popularity. Buckle up!
So far my experience on Lemmy.world is more hostile than I was expecting. Very quick to downvote and troll here. Hoping I’ve only just had the misfortune of finding a lot of bad eggs quickly???
Lemmy.world got big fast. Almost everything I see from Lemmy.world isn’t particularly good because of this. It seems to have a lot of low effort content and more hostility. It’s the instance that the laziest group of migrants joined, and it shows. A lot of people didn’t look past the instance with the highest user count. No offense to anyone who joined it, this might not be you just some of the people there are this.
Is there a better ‘lemmy’ instance you’d recommend?
I’m on Lemmy.zip and it seems like a good place for people interested in technology and gaming. I mostly browse all, but local there is fairly good. Also, keep in mind you can block communities if you aren’t interested in them. That’s helped a lot to not get the very bad meme spam, for example. Ideally though, choose one that shares interests with you already, and preferably is local.
If you’re ok with occasional finnish on the local page, try my instancez sopuli.xyz
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Yes, and honestly, it doesn’t really matter what instance you have your main account on since communities can be accessed through any instance (mostly).
Imo I’d say lemmy.world is most Reddit-like of all the Lemmy servers. Though there are always a handful to deal with on any server. Report to admins if you witness toxic, aggressive kind of behaviour.
If you are willing to keep your mind open a bit and listen as much as speak, beehaw.org might be your pace.
From the rules beehaw seems much more willing to censor unfortunately
Depends on your own attitude too. If you are nice, you get treated nice. That’s my experience anyway. Maybe not in some communities like politics, I don’t follow those…
Feel free to creep on my comments, I feel like I’m pretty amicable 🥺
Maybe you just had bad luck. I’m loving it so far. Hope you meet nicer people. :)
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What community are you subscribed to?
Generally, my experience was welcoming with long posts and orderly discussion.
Games is what I seem to be getting all the downvotes in. And some silly comment replies in an Apple thread for being a non Apple fan 😅
Hmm, I posted in Games and I haven’t have problems so far knocks on wood.
Well if your interest aligns with some of the communities I moderate, feel free to join in. I have a game related one that’s relatively new but mostly positive.
Feel free to look around my profile if you’re feeling bored.
Oh and don’t take this the wrong way, but the apple thing was maybe to be expected
Yes I will repeat the downvoted comment again to my own detriment here: Beware the Mac simps. They are a different breed for sure …
And thanks! I’ll definitely check out your stuff :)
Lol as an all-in apple guy (with iphone, ipad, mac, and a die hard airdrop fan), I’m mostly amused. But not at all offended. Win11 is a disaster. So I’m perfectly happy simping for Mac. XD
I use windows, Linux, and mac, and depending on who I’m talking to, I make sure to tell them that they should get one of the other operating systems because they’re better
Everyone in this thread are fucking morons.
you fucking moron /s
You called
I mean you’re not wrong
I’m not, I’m just here to promote “Barbie”.
Glad our country didn’t ban your film
That sure was a doozy.
Esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie! (Sometimes I get mistaken for you.) Is it true each meal you got on the set of Barbie was served in 600 tiny Barbie-sized toy plates?
That’s esteemed Academy Award and Golden Globe nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you!
Anyways, yes, the studio had to custom build hundreds of tiny fully functional dishwasher specifically for this, but I feel that only this level of method acting will finally let me win that Oscar that I rightfully deserve. (Stupid Frances McDormand)
Can we just get back to
Rampartbeans please?
That’s a fair point. But I’m not. :)
It’s just “manager”
Moron, reporting for duty!
You make a fair point.
The fediverse is far more open to the idea of being a “marketplace of ideas” .
That is what Reddit was before Spez got greedy and abandoned the liberal ideas that made Reddit great when Aaron Swartz was around.
The world would be a much better place with Aaron Swartz and more people like him. He was such a good dude.
He was too good for this planet.
I would bet Aaron would have contributed to an alternative too knowing how Spez and Knothing are.
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That’s quite a fair point.
I think the reason behind that is that it’s a new place and people are shy in new environments. Not only they behave more cautious but they lurk more (which leads to more lurking by others).
Did you get that you fucking moron?
Yes, I’m a bit of a moron, but I still want to be fair. In every single community I read the same comment on and on again. It goes something like this:
People in name_of_community are x.
With its obvious variation
name_of_community is y.
That always sounds to me both strange and nonsensical. Every large set of beings is, obviously, large. We’re always sampling it from a very biased perspective. You may be unlucky in your interactions; or perhaps you’re more tactful; or you’ve connected in a very bad day; etc., etc., etc… So saying that name_of_community is y is just a Quixotian attack on a windmill.
If that gets you high, elated, if it makes you feel better about yourself because you’re not like them, please go ahead and keep enjoying yourself. But also remember you’re riding an beaten old horse, wearing a rusty armor, and talking nonsense.
Are you fucking sorry??
No, this is Patrick.
