Lemmy: “that is a fair point”

Reddit: “you fucking moron”

  • @[email protected]
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    12 years ago

    I commented on this when encountering the 2nd type of person on here. As it gains popularity you’ll encounter more of them, it’s inevitable.

    • @[email protected]
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      12 years ago

      A few weeks ago it was great here. Interactions were mostly positive. But now I am beginning to see the same thing that happened to Reddit happen to Lemmy: people are bringing their color politics into every conversation. Like, a comment can be just a comment, upvoting or downvoting it doesn’t mean that you’re supporting/betraying Republicans or Democrats.

      • @[email protected]
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        12 years ago

        Don’t you know that’s just [insert political/social/idealogical bad group] rhetoric? Of course they’d want us all to just ignore the intense politics present in boring bog standard opinions and prentend like people can converse without making grand political statements! [Boogeyman of the week] wants us docile and disengaged from the complete everpresent idealogical war which only a select few can perceive! I have to connect this to every facet of my life to satisfy my obsession or then my therapist might be right that I’m delusional!

  • TPetrichor
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    142 years ago

    So far my experience on Lemmy.world is more hostile than I was expecting. Very quick to downvote and troll here. Hoping I’ve only just had the misfortune of finding a lot of bad eggs quickly???

    • Cethin
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      52 years ago

      Lemmy.world got big fast. Almost everything I see from Lemmy.world isn’t particularly good because of this. It seems to have a lot of low effort content and more hostility. It’s the instance that the laziest group of migrants joined, and it shows. A lot of people didn’t look past the instance with the highest user count. No offense to anyone who joined it, this might not be you just some of the people there are this.

        • KSP Atlas
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          02 years ago

          If you’re ok with occasional finnish on the local page, try my instancez sopuli.xyz

            • Madbrad200
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              12 years ago

              Yes, and honestly, it doesn’t really matter what instance you have your main account on since communities can be accessed through any instance (mostly).

        • Cethin
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          I’m on Lemmy.zip and it seems like a good place for people interested in technology and gaming. I mostly browse all, but local there is fairly good. Also, keep in mind you can block communities if you aren’t interested in them. That’s helped a lot to not get the very bad meme spam, for example. Ideally though, choose one that shares interests with you already, and preferably is local.

    • Rentlar
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      22 years ago

      Imo I’d say lemmy.world is most Reddit-like of all the Lemmy servers. Though there are always a handful to deal with on any server. Report to admins if you witness toxic, aggressive kind of behaviour.

      If you are willing to keep your mind open a bit and listen as much as speak, beehaw.org might be your pace.

    • @[email protected]
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      Depends on your own attitude too. If you are nice, you get treated nice. That’s my experience anyway. Maybe not in some communities like politics, I don’t follow those…

      • TPetrichor
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        32 years ago

        Games is what I seem to be getting all the downvotes in. And some silly comment replies in an Apple thread for being a non Apple fan 😅

        • Frost Wolf
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          52 years ago

          Hmm, I posted in Games and I haven’t have problems so far knocks on wood.

          Well if your interest aligns with some of the communities I moderate, feel free to join in. I have a game related one that’s relatively new but mostly positive.

          Feel free to look around my profile if you’re feeling bored.

          Oh and don’t take this the wrong way, but the apple thing was maybe to be expected

          • TPetrichor
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            52 years ago

            Yes I will repeat the downvoted comment again to my own detriment here: Beware the Mac simps. They are a different breed for sure …

            And thanks! I’ll definitely check out your stuff :)

            • Frost Wolf
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              22 years ago

              Lol as an all-in apple guy (with iphone, ipad, mac, and a die hard airdrop fan), I’m mostly amused. But not at all offended. Win11 is a disaster. So I’m perfectly happy simping for Mac. XD

              • 𝓣𝓞𝓑𝓘𝓝
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                52 years ago

                I use windows, Linux, and mac, and depending on who I’m talking to, I make sure to tell them that they should get one of the other operating systems because they’re better

  • Plaid_Kaleidoscooe
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    452 years ago

    I hope Lemmy moves past this phase of directly measuring itself in every way, real and imagined, against Reddit. Doesn’t seem like a healthy way to start the community. We need our own identity if we ever hope for this to take hold.

    • @[email protected]
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      82 years ago

      I think getting rid of the karma system would make a world of difference. Keep votes visible on comments and posts but no total tally. All it does is bring tons of bots to farm it, and the kind of people who obsess over fake internet points… Which are always miserable assholes that we don’t need. I’ve really been enjoying how laid back every has been on here in the few days I’ve been here. I still have no clue how a decent portion of it works but I like figuring it out and seeing everyone actually being pleasnt in the comments.

    • ClaretNBlue
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      12 years ago

      This.

      I guess its just natural to make comparisons between two similar products, but its something I’m sure will settle down over the coming months. I just hope that the community remains how it is and doesn’t become toxic in the way Reddir became after gaining the popularity.

      • trouser_mouse
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        32 years ago

        Esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie! (Sometimes I get mistaken for you.) Is it true each meal you got on the set of Barbie was served in 600 tiny Barbie-sized toy plates?

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          That’s esteemed Academy Award and Golden Globe nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you!

          Anyways, yes, the studio had to custom build hundreds of tiny fully functional dishwasher specifically for this, but I feel that only this level of method acting will finally let me win that Oscar that I rightfully deserve. (Stupid Frances McDormand)

  • @[email protected]
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    122 years ago

    That’s quite a fair point.

    I think the reason behind that is that it’s a new place and people are shy in new environments. Not only they behave more cautious but they lurk more (which leads to more lurking by others).

    Did you get that you fucking moron?

    • U de Recife
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      Yes, I’m a bit of a moron, but I still want to be fair. In every single community I read the same comment on and on again. It goes something like this:

      People in name_of_community are x.

      With its obvious variation

      name_of_community is y.

      That always sounds to me both strange and nonsensical. Every large set of beings is, obviously, large. We’re always sampling it from a very biased perspective. You may be unlucky in your interactions; or perhaps you’re more tactful; or you’ve connected in a very bad day; etc., etc., etc… So saying that name_of_community is y is just a Quixotian attack on a windmill.

      If that gets you high, elated, if it makes you feel better about yourself because you’re not like them, please go ahead and keep enjoying yourself. But also remember you’re riding an beaten old horse, wearing a rusty armor, and talking nonsense.

  • trouser_mouse
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    212 years ago

    I’ve encountered some rude people on Lemmy, but also a lot of people who love genuine discussion, helping others and want the best for the platform and communities.

    • P03 Locke
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      12 years ago

      I can be rude, but also love genuine discussion. I just don’t believe in limiting cuss words on a public anonymous forum like this.

      Nobody should give a fuck about shit and fuck when racism and bigotry are more impactful.

      • trouser_mouse
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        12 years ago

        Totally, I was meaning more impolite, hostile or confrontational etc than saying fuck!

  • RÅSS
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    172 years ago

    As a Reddit user who’s recently moved to Lemmy - that’s a fair point, you fucking moron

  • @[email protected]
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    112 years ago

    Just wait. The only reason why Lemmy is more polite is because it’s smaller. I think that attitude comes with the territory, unfortunately. If you want to have a less toxic community, the first thing you need to do is get rid of the downvote button. Downvotes are inherently toxic. Lemmy is actually worse than reddit in this regard, because you can actually see the ratio of upvotes to downvotes. So, even if your comment has a high score, you can still feel shitty knowing that X number of people downvoted it.

    • @[email protected]
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      Also, Reddit votes are fuzzed, and I think maybe delayed. It’s very echochambery because I never see people with a close number of upvotes and downvotes- it’s always one person in a discussion 90+% upvoted and another person(me) 90+% downvoted

  • MrMobius
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    222 years ago

    Now we just have to keep this culture of respect, even if the platform gains popularity. Buckle up!

  • @[email protected]
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    That hasn’t been my experience.

    It’s still a very mixed reaction if you say something contrary to the dominant opinion.

    And still just as likely to get strawmanned if you disagree with an aspect, but still overall agree with the conclusion.

      • @[email protected]
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        92 years ago

        It’s not as of right now, but I wouldn’t say downvotes are the issue. The reality is that downvote = disagree no matter what rule you create that says it doesn’t.

        What I’m talking about are the insults, mischaracterizations, and general non productive discussion on comments that others don’t agree with.

        • @[email protected]
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          52 years ago

          That happens at times on the internet. I have to agree with the general impression though: I have only been here quite shortly, but the feel seems closer to “the reddit of olden days” for the general tone and feeling. Mostly a good thing.

  • @[email protected]
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    392 years ago

    I am absolutely trying my best to be friendly, tolerant and open minded here on Lemmy to set the tone for a growing culture here

      • I avoid the debate because I don’t feel informed enough to have a valid opinion.

        However, it does concern me that in all the tussle over trans rights there are children in the middle being used as political footballs and many will be comitting suicide and hurting themselves because of what adults are saying in the halls of power across the world and in the newspapers.

        I also feel some empathy because of a recent guidance change in the UK that is very similar to the Section 28 Law of the 90s that made my life as a gay teen very, very miserable.

      • @[email protected]
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        22 years ago

        I think a community that welcomes bigots is unwelcoming to everyone else, and that tolerance is not a virtue that should be applied to all universally, but rather a quality that should be shared only with those that practice it themselves.

        Bigotry should not be tolerated.

        • @[email protected]
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          02 years ago

          Then, with respect, you miss the point. It is possible that transgenderism is a net danger to society. It also might not be. It might be that there’s some space between wholesale admiration and reluctant tolerance that’s more appropriate for the population at large. Maybe not.

          Point is, if no one is talking about it, then this stuff never gets hashed out and you get fracturing, underground movements, resentment, distrust, and radicalization.

          Your post could be, not trying to strawman, like saying you only talk to people that agree with you. You should talk to people you perceive to be bigots, misogynists, racists, and so on because they’re the only ones unconvinced.

          Presumably, you aren’t going to “catch it” from them unless they change your mind or your convictions weren’t that solid in the first place.

          • @[email protected]
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            12 years ago

            It is possible that transgenderism is a net danger to society.

            It’s certain that bigotry is a danger to society. Trans people are no threat to society at all.

            You should talk to people you perceive to be bigots, misogynists, racists, and so on because they’re the only ones unconvinced.

            That doesn’t mean that everywhere has to platform them. If I want to talk to bigots, I can go to reddit, facebook, twitter, threads, 4chan, etc. Hell, even lemmy has exploding-heads. There’s no shortage of opportunities to talk to bigots. That doesn’t mean everywhere has to welcome them.

            • @[email protected]
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              12 years ago

              I think the joke, if it was one, was that you can’t say “transgenderism is a danger to society,” much of anywhere - Not on most of Reddit certainly, at least that’s my impression, not usually going around saying that kind of thing.

              And I agree that trans people aren’t a threat, in and of themselves. It’s everyone that’s using them as a rainbow political cudgel to whip up a moral panic that’s playing with fire.

              • @[email protected]
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                12 years ago

                I think the joke, if it was one, was that you can’t say “transgenderism is a danger to society,” much of anywhere

                I’ve seen that and worse on reddit, twitter and facebook. And definitely on 4chan and exploding-heads. Without having to look very hard.

                It’s everyone that’s using them as a rainbow political cudgel to whip up a moral panic that’s playing with fire.

                Conservatives have been screaming that trans people are groomers and using that as justification for introducing bathroom bills, banning books about gay and trans people, calling bomb threats in to hospitals and retailers, and openly calling for eradicating trans people. That’s what a moral panic looks like.

                Exactly what would you say constitutes a moral panic that’s happening in the opposite direction?

                • @[email protected]
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                  12 years ago

                  When you make 60% of your headlines and magazine articles about the latest, brave, beautiful drag queen in (I believe) an effort to monetize resent-viewing on one side and hate-viewing on the other, you make a miniscule “community” famous. The famous have always been equal parts adored and hated, even killed sometimes.

                  I don’t think they asked to be the center of attention, but the other fights were so close to won that they weren’t driving enough engagement anymore, so further down the alphabet we go. Gay marriage was the last flash in the pan and now most Republicans support it. They didn’t lose. They weren’t forced. They came around. It took a while, but they did.

                  Which leads me to the moral panic of the other direction and that’s anything to do with religion, men’s issues, systemic racism… All blown to epic, apocalyptic proportions. The Proud Boys don’t run Hollywood or Disney or hospitals or social media platforms. They’re a handful of rednecks… In fact they’re not anything anymore, would be my guess.

                  The progressive, activist Left appears (to me) to be moral panic personified. Just another “join or die,” authoritarian ideology. Once upon a time, being gay might get you fired. Being a woman might prevent that promotion. Big business used to be afraid of the wrath of the Christian Right, but it’s swung in the other direction now and the progressive Left wields that power no more gracefully than the Bible-clutching WASPs did before them.

        • @[email protected]
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          02 years ago

          Easy, destructive state vector upload. Now we need to figure out the download and body creation part

    • CashewNut 🏴󠁢󠁥󠁧󠁿
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      102 years ago

      I don’t 100% agree with this posts point. If you said the Reddit comment in many of the subs you’d have the comment deleted for personal attacks. However, I do agree partially with the Lemmy one.

      I’m finding myself more willing to engage with differing views while robustly defending my own views and I’ll pepper my arguments with some swearing when appropriate.

      It’s a closer representation of my actual self. I’m a sweary, Northern Englishman irl but I’m fair and give peope a chance and will listen. So that’s how I behave here now.

      On Reddit I talked more like a polite AI bot with no opinion on anything lest I receive a suspension or get my comment deleted by an overzealous AutoModerator bot for “personal attack”.

      • GONADS125
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        52 years ago

        I wish that type of in-person language use was more acceptable throughout the US… I’m from Jersey and while I can speak freely in that region and be received normally, everyone here in the Midwest is afraid of me and thinks I’m angry when I speak freely…