I occasionally go to a liquor store where the till asks if you want to tip, and it’s the most ridiculous thing ever because it’s a small store and the clerk isn’t helping you find shit.
and the clerk is paid more than the $2.whatever per hour that sit down restaurant wait staff get.
In this specific instance, not much more, because I live in one of the few states where the minimum wage is the same for tipped and untipped workers (although gig drivers are still getting screwed here).
Me, reaching over from the POS side paying for the transaction I’m ringing up, leaving no tip for myself
One more reason I would hate to live in America. In Britain we don’t give tips.
There’s a street food hall place in Manchester where you can only order via an app and some food businessess force you to pay a “tip” while ordering your food. Can pay 5, 10 or 15%.
Who the fuck do they think is going to willingly pay more than they have to? It’s blatantly a service charge, you don’t give tips before you’ve even ordered your food.
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What? No, we might not tip our petrol station attendants or barmaids, but it’s still been normal to tip table service for at least 30 years.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. While we typically don’t tip, you can go to most food places with table service and gratuity is either automatically added, or is an option when you pay.
It’s definitely appearing as an option more on the pos terminals now that most people prefer to pay contactless rather than cash. I’ve only had one occasion where the gratuity was automatically added (ironically, on an occasion I would not tip because the service negatively impacted my meal and I had to strike it out) perhaps I’ve just been lucky.
It’s more normal in fancy places, or where you genuinely want to thank a server for above and beyond service. But it’s not expected, you’re not rude for not doing it, and you don’t do it for just any old outting.
I’ll tip a bartender who mixes me a drink with 3+ ingredients that’s not on their drink list, I’ll tip the server who painstakingly reviews the menu with our table to make sure we don’t have issues with allergies, I’ll tip the barista who rushes over with a cloth to help me after I accidentally knocked over my whole coffee who tried to make me a second coffee on the house. Because that’s excellent service and tipping is just an excellent way of saying thank you.
But those are exceptions to the rule.
Yea, I meant we don’t tip in Britain as a matter of course but sure if I’ve received excellent service I might. I am a bit of a tight-arse though, not going to lie, so it’s rare.
No, no it isn’t.
Tipping still happens rarely, and only as a bonus for excellent service. Nobody expects you to tip. So in >80% of the time you don’t.
You don’t give tips you mean, plenty of people I know do.
Just another example on how easy it is to divide us and how the class war was lost long… long… long ago.
It’s the tipped employees who don’t realize they are getting fucked and maybe their clients shouldn’t be the people expected to fill the shortfalls of their paychecks instead of, you know, their boss. It’s not the people who work regular jobs themselves where they are not tipped.
Source: Working the first tipped job I have ever worked and motherfucker these people are entitled. Delivering pizza to poor people living off of disability and judging them for not tipping. It makes me fucking furious. I live in a state with one of the highest minimum wages in the country, it’s not like these people are being paid $2.13 an hour. Depending on the day they can make $30+ an hour when you include tips. They’re so fucking angry and shitty and petty when people don’t tip. It’s like, I guess fuck anyone who just wanted some comfort food in the middle of their shitty lives and it’s not their fault your boss doesn’t pay you better. I have previously only worked jobs where I was never tipped but still had customers acting entitled. People who demand or expect tips on top of the highest minimum wage in the country are fucking crybabies angry at the wrong fucking people. That’s on them, not the people tired of the bullshit tipping culture.
It’s as much on the customers as it is on the workers. Why continue supporting companies that don’t pay livable wages?
Because a lot of people who live on a fixed income like social security or disability simply don’t have the privilege of being able to do so?
They often can’t afford to live anywhere but a Food Desert, and often don’t own a vehicle in a city with few public transit options. Things like this can severely limit their choices on which company to spend money.
The reality is poor people shop at Walmart because in a lot of cases they really can’t afford not to. This is what people fighting against expansion of companies like Walmart twenty years ago said was going to happen. They will dominate with low prices until they’ve pushed out all other viable businesses, and then you’ll be left with no choice but to spend your money with them. This was all on purpose at the corporate level. Not sure why you’re blaming 20-30 years of corporate choices with very little pushback from city governments on the people who don’t have other places to shop anymore.
In that case if we remove tipping, the prices of everything on the menu goes up 40% (because you know damn well the business owner isn’t going to give up that sweet sweet cut of profit) and the poor folks can get nothing and like it.
Please note that I am NOT in support of the tipping culture system. Only pointing out the inevitable backlash of removing it without proper support in place. Prices of all food will increase everywhere to make up the difference and we either reach a point of equilibrium where the price goes back down because nobody can afford a pizza anymore, with the associated lowering of quality to make up for the price lowering; or else a few hundred thousand folks are suddenly out of jobs.
If we just remove the ability to tip and follow it up by telling the business owners “fuck you, figure it out”, they will ‘figure it out’ by firing a bunch of folks and raising base prices. This might even be healthy for the industry, but I doubt it. It’ll just end with most folks never going out to eat again.
I mean, McDonald’s manages to pay employees in Europe a living wage, and it didn’t make the food completely unaffordable.
On the other hand, in the states, for a small meal just to yourself it’s more than $10, closer to $15 a lot of the time.
So the prices are going up here and they’re still not paying people worth a damn. I wonder what the disconnect here could be?
From what I understand, their sales are down, and so they’ve jacked up prices to fix the gap.
Fair point. That works for Europe because I think greed is less of an all-consuming force over across the pond, maybe. We’ve managed to make it something of a way of life here in the States.
Hopefully I’m wrong, and there is a way out of this hellhole that doesn’t involve mass unemployment. But given our past record with most things, I’m not holding my breath.
The workers don’t want to see tipping go away. They make bank in tips.
The unfortunate truth is that they do until they don’t - Anyone I’ve spoken to in the service industry has basically said that they love the good busy nights and the rest is stressful. Nobody should have to worry that they might not get generous enough customers during their workday, else basically starve. What a horrible way to live.
Reminder for everyone that when there are efforts to change the system and have employers pay higher wages instead, the majority of workers are vehemently against it.
You’ll see people in this thread telling you that it’s not the workers’ fault, and that taking it out on the workers by not tipping is not fair, as if they’re victims of the system.
Most pressure to maintain the system (or add tips to new industries) comes from the workers, and I feel that not tipping is entirely appropriate if you want it to change.
When the workers themselves start clamoring for raising wages and getting rid of tipping culture, I will empathize with them more.
People don’t want to constantly pay more fees in the form of “voluntary” tips that are supposed to be a courtesy based on service quality, not a tax and payroll dodge for employees and employers who obviously have no incentive to report cash income like this. And now even more people are jumping on the tip bandwagon, and on top of that they calculate the tip on the total including tax. I’m not giving the government a tip, too. Tips are becoming compulsory in the eyes of far too many service industry employees.
It’s far easier for them to shit on customers than it is to assume any risks associated with fighting employers and the established system for real wages. Leeching off the hard work wages of customers rather than doing the hard work of fighting for a real wage.
Checkout this clear bullshit.
They charge more after you order to give you the impression your paying less because the menu looks cheap…
That’s amazing.
"Look how cheap our prices are!*
*before we inflate them with an involuntary fee"
What the bullshit is that? We’re charging you more so you pay less?
Maybe they are pushing for higher tips because they aren’t paid enough?
Exactly; they know they get more in tips than they would with minimum wage. It is very low right now.
Yeah so what I’m saying is if they got paid enough, same or more than what they’re getting with tips, we wouldn’t need to tip.
Tipping culture is capitalists telling workers it’s their fault for not making enough money. It’s true though, because workers don’t organize nearly enough to change the culture. People should stick up for themselves and their fellow employees and demand a better wage and benefits.
Capitalize the profits and socialize the losses
And then have the media (Wall Street Journal and Readers Digest especially) tell everybody that yes, tipping everybody everywhere is the new normal and we need to get used to it.
I’ve gotten into so many arguments on Facebook with people who tip their mechanics and doctors. People are eating this shit up.
A few places tried this when I was in Greece over the summer.
Step one - NO CHANCE, STAVROS
Step two - Straight onto my favourite review sites and leave one-star reviews for spoiling my fuckin lunch, you cunts 😂
Fuck bringing that shite over here
I don’t tip, but that’s achieved by never doing anything where tipping is expected.
I pre-ordered a pair of shoes online and the website asked for a tip.
In Australia.
name and shame mate
Jennens, they’re platform shoes to give me a few extra inches in height.
Guess “name and shame” might be particularly accurate here
bruh didn’t meant to put you on the spot. no shame though, get those lifts - the boots look nice.
still incredibly fucked for a web retailer of any kind to even have a tipping option, let alone for clothing. like what am I paying extra for? the privilege of browsing your fucking stock?
Just wait until you get a tip prompt on a self-checkout kiosk.
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Yeah, it’s happened to me a couple of times.
That’s when you tip yourself for your diligent work bagging groceries by not scanning a thing or two.
You mean robotip?
Pretty much, but I have no idea who the tip is going to in that case. Last time it happened to me, there was no button to not leave a tip. The options were 20%, 25%, 30%, and Custom, with 25% as the default. I had to hit Custom and type 0.00.
Why is there never a button for just the tip?
What’s even more fun are the places that ask for a tip… and the tip doesn’t go to the employees.
I assume any “fast casual” tip goes directly to the boss. If you didn’t come to my table and take my order then the little iPad is paying the guy that wasn’t here all day.
I think I’m in the smallest minority, but I haven’t tipped in close to a decade. When people ask me why, I answer with the question "when was the last time you tipped your grocer l, fast food window attendant or the person at the hardware store that brought out your 100lbs of lumber? " answer is always never and I say exactly.
Are you going to like sit down restaurants in America though?.. cuz those people make around $3 an hour most places with no benefits. I don’t approve of the system but please don’t go to a fine dining establishment and stiff the waiter. It’s fucked up.
Not American. But even if I were, no I wouldn’t tip. It’s not my responsibility to pay someone’s wage while the business opens up at another 2 locations in my city
They make minimum wage, if you make more than minimum with tips you make $3 or whatever plus your tips, if you don’t get any tips your employer covers the difference.
While this is absolutely correct, it should be noted that if you don’t make enough in tips you’re probably going to get fired and replaced, haha
Minimum wage isn’t even close to survivable in most states…
Minimum wage, which is $7.25/hour, and not even close to the bare minimum to be able to survive, because it hasn’t been raised in nearly 15 years!
Fuck off with that logic. If you go to a nice restaurant in the U.S. and you don’t tip, you’re a fucking scumbag. No doubt.
Minimum wage, which is $7.25/hour, and not even close to the bare minimum to be able to survive, because it hasn’t been raised in nearly 15 years!
This is the real issue and the core of it that needs to be fixed. That is unacceptable. People should pressure for raising the minimum wage to livable terms instead of using roundabout systems that don’t fix the issue and just shifts it around.
Yeah, it’s a huge problem. Yet, here in the U.S., Biden tried to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour when he first got in office and Republicans shot him down. Our problem is that we have an entire political party that is hellbent on harming the average person at every turn, and we have too many uneducated, misinformed people voting for them to do it.
Nah. If the service is great I’ll give 15% and that’s about it.
If the service is anything less, no tip. Like why would I give extra beyond what my meal costs for no reason?
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15% is low. So, what you’re saying is that you’re always a bad tipper.
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There are tons of factors that can make a good server give bad service. A kitchen that’s lagging behind, for example, is totally out of their control. Another table that demands a lot of attention can also throw off service. You’ve clearly never worked in a restaurant.
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Most people tip because they’re not heartless. I don’t think their reasoning applies to you.
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When was the last time you worked and didn’t get paid for it? Why do you feel like you’re justified to come to a person’s place of work and make them be at your beck and call, but you don’t think that these servants deserve their own food or livelihood?
There’s nothing intelligent or admirable about your behavior. Quite the contrary, it’s simply a disgusting lack of respect for other human beings.
Or maybe if everybody stopped tipping and workers went on strike, businesses might actually be forced to pay a living wage instead of telling their employees to beg to get enough money to put food on the table?
Yes and if everyone agreed to just stop fighting we’d have world peace but we’re talking about actually achievable goals.
Yeah. Punish the people who are living hand to mouth every single day by making them too poor to refuse any work they can get. That oughta teach them not to accept their slave labor. /S
Hand to mouth? lol you haven’t met my ex who was a waitress at a mid level sit down restaurant.
That bitch was competing nicely with me on income back then when I was a junior software developer.
Not everyone working in food service is one day away from a homeless shelter.
And some of them are. It’s dumb to make assumptions about an entire profession whose wages vary greatly from city to city based on one person you knew.
You ever see a person break down crying on the job because they’re not making enough money and don’t know how they’re going to eat? I have, several times.
I never implied it was “admirable”. I shouldn’t have to supplement a workers shitty pay, so I don’t. What makes a waiter/waitress more entitled to a tip over someone who stocks shelves at a grocery store or works in the fast food industry? Also I’m not American, shocking I know. If an employer isn’t going to pay their staff a proper wage in your country then that’s between the employer and employee
Ok, so stay out of American restaurants. We don’t want you in them.
Typical American, grouping an entire nation into a personal opinion. Well done.
Do you work for free? What if someone came to the place where you work and demanded that you work for them for free? Because that’s exactly what you’re doing to servers in America if you aren’t tipping them, and I can assure you that no one on the planet wants to work without pay. It is not a personal opinion, it’s an objective fact.
Also, I’d like to point out the hilarious irony of you making a blanket statement about all Americans by claiming that’s what Americans do. The projection is palpable.
I said typical, as in average or stereotype. Was more a jab/joke than anything, but you do you. Again, it’s not my responsibility to make up for shit pay. So instead of being mad at how fundamentally broken the system is, you’re mad at people who don’t tip a very specific industry/job. You’re really something. Well done.
You’re the one who’s convinced himself that he’s justified in forcing people to work without pay, because you’ve decided it shouldn’t be the way it really is. In other words, a real (entitled) goddamn asshole. If there’s a hell, I sincerely hope that you end up in it, being forced to work for free every day for eternity. It’s what you’ve done to others, so you’ve fucking earned it.
It depends on where they’re from though. Outside of America we don’t have such a reliance on tipping
That is true. I’m really only talking about America in this context.
So you agree that they should be paid a living wage. I believe the employer should pay them enough, not customer to pay them on top of the already paying for the food.
Yes, I agree with you. They should be able to make a living wage. Unfortunately, when you refuse to tip you don’t hurt the owner. Instead, you hurt the employee.
Boycot the restaurant
You do, but if no one would tip owners would compensate the employees because they must make at least minimum wage.
The fact of the matter is that owners get to pay his employees less by having customers pay for it instead. You can call it tips, but what is really is - it’s the money the employer should have gave them.
And then we can stop the entire ritual of shame and guilt where you tip just to not be judged by everyone around you for being “cheap”, even though you paid for the costs of the food you ordered.
Yes, it’s the money that the owner should have given them, but you’re not solving the problem by stiffing your waiter. You’re just going to make things worse for them.
And that’s the issue - the blame is shifted to the customers. Damned if you do (enforce this terrible system), damned if you don’t (make waiters have less money).
The change need to be systematic and from the root. But it will never happen with so many just accepting the system, and so many more defending it so strongly.
It’s really a cultural problem, and there’s no easy solution. I certainly don’t know how to fix it. I think it would require everyone not tipping or every server everywhere demanding a higher wage.
Honestly, I hate tipping as much as the next guy. If I decide to tip someone I should be able to feel good about it, like I’m giving them a bonus, rather than feeling guilt-tripped or obligated to do it.
Unfortunately, the system is just set up in a way that sucks for both customers and employees, and the only way you can eat in a nice restaurant and not be an asshole is by tipping your server.
Did you bring it to me or otherwise preform extra effort for me ik the ordering process? No? Then fuck off you’ve already earned your pay
Over here in the UK we don’t tip as a rule, unless we’ve been directly served by someone, and even then it’s mostly just to leave whatever change there may be.
But it’s become very fucking common for chain shops to ask if we want to round up to the nearest £ and donate that money to whichever charity they’re working with.
And my answer is always, always, no.
Why not if it is a charity? I’m guessing you’re not trusting them?
Charity donations are tax deductible (usually) so what you’re doing is giving the business a means to bring down their contributions for the year. It’d really be best if you just donated directly.
Deductible means they don’t pay taxes on the money they donated
It does nothing to reduce the tax burden on their profits, if the money they’re donating wouldn’t have been profit in the first placeNo. That’s not how that works.
Because it just doesn’t feel right to me. And I know that it’s kinda churlish, but there’s a part of me that doesn’t want huge supermarket chains who keep posting record profits while paying the bare minimum they legally have to, to take the credit for me donating a few quid a month in rounding up my bill. Many of the charities wouldn’t be needed as much if these companies actually paid adequate wages.
Do what you want, but that’s not how that works. Businesses aren’t “using” or “taking” your donation or claiming them as their own. They’re basically just serving as a collection point for whatever charity indicated. If you choose not to claim it yourself, that’s your choice, but the donation is “from” you “to” the charity. The supermarket or whatever just provides visibility for the charity and the collections logistics. It saves those charities having to find people to stand outside and ring a bell and hope you have change in your pocket.
If you’re not contributing to a charity in lieu of not participating in these “round up donations” programs, then you’re simply choosing to not donate to charity. Which is fine, as far as that goes.
Oh aye, I know they’re not claiming tax or anything like that, and I get that it’s essentially just a digital version of having a change pot on the counter, but it still feels like Tesco getting to crow about how much their customers have helped raise, while they’re paying as little as they can legally get away with, y’know?
But ultimately it’s not really rational response, and I know that.
I get you. I basically swing back and forth between how you feel, “hell with this corporate public image campaign” and going “well, what the hell, it’s .12 for a good cause.”
That way I’m being irrational in all directions.
I might be wrong but don’t they use these charities to get tax reductions?
I don’t think they do, but I’ve seen them announce things like " company name teamed up with x charity and we managed $200,000 !"
Conveniently forgetting to mention that they donated little to nothing themselves.
My local vape shop has started asking for tips when you pay now. I’m definitely not tipping for a D8 cart that’s already 20% more expensive than buying it online from the makers.
It’s getting ridiculous though like even gas stations are starting to ask. Like sorry why should I leave a tip to get a Snickers and bottle of water rung up?
