So, many more people are raised right wing which may mean that way more people in the future are going to be right wing.
It doesn’t matter how right-wing their parents are, the zero-sum nature and general decay of late capitalism are going to end up pushing them to the left. Capitalism won’t let most of them be small business tyrants, and bootstraps and welfare queen rhetoric aren’t nearly as convincing when you’re working 60 hours a week to live in a box and eat noodles and the only medical care you can afford is prayer.
the only medical care you can afford is prayer
This made me laugh so hard 🤣
Just kidnapped like 16 fascists (babies). Raising them in a shed in the back. Got a VHS player with soviet cartoons in there. I got us covered.
We can fix them
Fucking god damn it. Actually. Just checked on 'em and one of them snuck in fascist media (COD: Black Ops). My plan has failed. I told them they could only watch Revolutionary Girl Utena blu-rays on that PS3.
Leftoid Praxis v2.0: Breedageddon commences. It’s out only hope, I guess.
Just built a second shed next to the first one where I’ll house the new children and succeed this time.
Thank you for your services, bugman.
Gave up having any sort of personal ethics, mental fortitude, or will against my adversaries. Going full bugmode now.
Great site tagline
Idiocracy 2: Electric Boogaloo
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This sounds like an entry into the fascist birthrate discourse
Also I want kids
if i could have kids id have 2 million of them
???
How is wondering if other people can afford kids since I cannot, fascist?
I think you might be confusing this with your other post?
It’s the opposite here. People of all ideologies are having too many kids. The global south wins again.
Where is that? I am originally from the global south and people cannot afford kids where I am from.
Guatemala. A lot of it comes from the rural population that’s very religious. People can’t really afford kids either and yet they keep having them.
“The rich get richer, while the poor get children.”
This sadly made me laugh a lot
Nah. People in the imperial core shouldn’t be having kids because they’re more likely to become fascist, and consume too many resources.
We leftists don’t have time, resources, or largely even the desire to have children in such a shithole. We’re also way more literate than the right and have a sense of forward thinking and planning, so we understand what parenthood requires.
We have a revolution to build, and simply don’t want to be tied up in parenthood and join the ranks of the rest of the miserable, dysfunctional families capitalism has forcefully cultivated. Not only that, we’re always considering what our theoretical children would want, since bringing them into this world isn’t just about us. Don’t forget, we were/are someone’s kid. What did we get out of the arrangement? A front row seat to the end of a viable future. This is what we’re supposed to reproduce? This is the burden we’re supposed to force on someone else who didn’t consent to being born in these conditions? Fuck. That.
The only way I’d have kids is if China or the DPRK guaranteed my theoretical partner and I a secure existence will full citizen rights, that way we’d have piece of mind we couldn’t be rug pulled and sent back West to fucking die. The West cannot have my children, ever.
As for your question about being worried reactionaries are having many more kids, I honestly don’t worry all that much. Those type of parents tend to be abusive and sabotage their children’s interests, development and aspirations, or fight against them. How many of us are products of abusive reactionary families? Don’t Elon Musk’s kids hate him? Proletarianization is inevitable, and history always has a Marxist bias.
No, it’s naive to think children follow what they’re taught by their parents. If that were true, we’d still have slavery and feudalism.
Equally naive to think they aren’t highly influenced by them
Well… not everyone was raised to be pro-slavery and many people hated the monarchy. It is naive to think that the way one is raised has no sway in the way people end up being. The way and ideas people grow up with shape the way one thinks. Sure, many overcome it, but many don’t. And the more propaganda increases in the future, the harder it will be to pierce through the eco chamber.
You missed the point. People back then didn’t get raised with liberal values like we do now, and yet we now have those liberal values widespread. People weren’t raised irreligious and yet atheists proliferate. Reality and especially the crushing reality of Capitalism often radicalizes people away from their childhood propaganda.
I think that I am just skeptical since I have a lot of religious right wing family members that no matter how much capitalism and their country kicks them to the floor, they still spout patriotic, religious, homophobic, transphobic and class traitor nonesense. And from my own journey to leftism, it takes a lot of effort and education to reprogram a brainwashed mind.
whats your problem lmao, why are you asking 20 questions a day
OP should think about something and then the rest of us should play 20 Questions
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Reactionary thought (or ideology generally) isn’t heritable. Most of these people treat their children like shit, and while that doesn’t mean they’ll turn into leftists, it does mean that the children of reactionaries are far from certain to become reactionaries themselves. This is especially true for “normal” chuds, who still want to be participants in mainstream society and politically engaged. Mennonites have a high retention rate in part because they’re disengaged from normal society and they provide a supportive, insular community. Most chuds just treat their kids like shit, and also don’t provide any kind of integrated, supportive community. That’s a (materialist) recipe for losing converts.
Counterpoint: half the people here grew up in CHUD families. Also a lot of children of leftists turn into NeoLib wonks.
I don’t know for sure about the likelihood of chud ideology transmission from one generation to another, but I can personally vouch for coming from a glaringly chud biological family where no one still alive in it is someone that I maintain contact with.
Leftists kids became neoliberal? Is that even possible?
Mayor Pete’s dad was a Marxist scholar who translated Gramsci’s prison notebooks into English.
Who is Mayor Pete?
The US Secretary of Transportation, former mayor of South Bend Indiana, McKinsey ghoul, probable spook, and neoliberal poster child. He is the sticker someone else replied to you with.
yeah I’m not buying into great replacement tbh
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Nope. For us to win we must get converts. If it’s just 3% more or whatever it makes little difference.
Think of it this way: if you have two kids and a 100% success rate at raising little socialists, you’ve only “replaced” yourself and nothing more. A good organizer will radicalize hundreds of people over their lives and have an effect of creating more organizers that will do the same.
That “good organizer” sounds like a magician to me. I cannot even convert my parents.
Oh, comrade, don’t count yourself out for that. My parents are too far gone for me to bother with, but they’re in their 60’s (I would say “retirement age” but lol, not happening in
).You have to triage your efforts:
- Firm Supporters
- Soft Supporters
- Soft Opposition
- Firm Opposition
Focusing on moving people up this ladder is what keeps me going. If I can take some radlib off the sidelines, make them active agitators, and bring them into the Firm Supporters category, that’s a win. If I can convert a hardline liberal/conservative to being on the sidelines instead of actively opposing us, that’s a win. You have to do what you can with what you have. None of us are perfect organizers, but maybe we can get a little closer to that goal.
It’s only about 2-4 people per year if you start at 20 and organize for 50 years. This is very achievable if you put yourself in scenarios to meet people that are “almost there”. People that like unions, marginalized people trying out community organizing, parties/orgs that allow libs and baby leftists in but don’t let them dominate, orgs that table at political rallies and protests (competently), holding events where you invite the community to watch a movie or hear a speaker. Party-building stuff, basically.
Edit: oh and also be ready for emergency mobilization and recruitment. Never be caught off-guard when something like George Floyd’s murder happens. Libs will take over and sheepdog if you don’t (intelligently) insert yourself and work with your coalitions. This means being part of coalitions before the big events hit.
An agitator’s job is not to convert but to sow the seeds. Every crack in capitalism is another place to put a seed and “That’s capitalism for you!” is a seed that can be cast every day. Just keep pointing out the contradictions of capitalism and let people convert themselves.
