I guess it’s self explanatory but I keep seeing all this stuff about how everyone is moving from Reddit to lemmy and I’m wondering if anyone knows if that’s really what’s happening. If you have numbers that’s even better.
Thanks!
When the app I used to access Reddit, Joey for Reddit, went down yesterday I moved to Lemmy. They were working with Reddit to setup paid API access and Reddit shutdown their access mid negotiation. I already had a Lemmy account but didn’t use it til now. I know a lot of other Joey users that did the same.
So Joey was willing to pay for API access and Reddit still shut them down?
That’s not really surprising or unexpected though. Most businesses won’t just let you access their paid product for free while in negotiations.
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I think that’s really all we can ask for. I already miss some of the subs back on reddit but I’m sure they’ll start showing up here eventually
Some useful communities:
Fix problems and errors [email protected]
Find the best products by Lemmy users reviews [email protected]
Find the best software options [email protected]
And more (if you know more I will edit to add them)
Would you happen to know of a good step-by-step guide on how to create a new community?
There’s a niche sub on Reddit I have not seen yet here and I would not mind having a go at recreating it, I’m just having a hard time figuring out what the steps are because the information is in different places. So if anyone can point me in the right direction I’d truly appreciate it.
Are you on phone or PC, web or app?
Web on PC, plain browser interface, sorry I didn’t state that upfront. And thank you. :)
There is a New Community button in the header
I don’t know how I missed that. Many thanks. :D
@anarchoplayworker I don’t have any number but I do come here from time to time when I’m on laptop. Hope there will be a good app for iOS soon.
Memmy for Lemmy is already in the App Store! Loving it so far.
@wyrd @anarchoplayworker do you know if it support kbis as well?
I have no idea, sorry!
Yeah and you can access Mlem which is pretty good too on TestFlight. And there’s WefWef which you can put on your phone and functions as an app, even though it’s really a web app. (At least I think that’s how it works. I’m not an expert in such things).
I’ve found mlem pretty buggy compared to memmy so far, but hopefully as popularity continues to increase we get more options.
Wefwef has renamed to Vger. The sudden influx/attention has definitely had people rethinking about branding and polish now it no longer seems like a bunch of people in a basement. It’s good
From Reddit’s PoV I don’t think that there is a mass emigration; it’s just that the most engaged sectors of the community left, so the 99% left don’t give a damn about it. Over time I predict that it’ll be a slow drain, not a mass exodus.
However from Lemmy/Kbin’s PoV there is a mass immigration. And the users are disproportionally active; for example a comm with 3k subscribers getting 1k upvotes in a post, stuff like this.
It’s a strategy straight out of MBA textbooks: Once you’re above a certain size and have a large “common consumer” base, you kick out everyone who would complain about shitty practices and exploitative behaviour. Then you squeeze out all the money you can over a year or three before the rest realize and leave.
It’s fast ROI at the cost of customer retention and long term profits. And investors literally don’t care if the company goes bankrupt as long as they get that money. Because they’ll just move on to the next company and do the same thing all over.
Interesting, didn’t know that was MBA textbook strategy. Makes much sense, however.
It’s called “locust capitalism” in some languages.
Since they literally just consume everything and move on to new things with zero regard for anything they affect after the fact.
I am seeing precisely this in my workplace. A global company, bought by an investment fund for billions.
The fund cuts away anything that does not directly generate revenue, like product development, maintenance, support. So many people have been let go, the few remaining are unable to keep the ship afloat.
Fund doesn’t care because the numbers are amazing (income vs expenses) and they just want to sell before it sinks.
No care for the livelihood of thousands of employees, or the many very large customers. They will practically die, and that’s okay to the ones in charge.
Brazen but unsurprising to have that in a business text book. Does that strategy have a name?
Oh interesting, yeah. That makes sense. Thanks!
More of a small diaspora sort of situation I think, at least relative to the amount of people that use Reddit.
As to where besides Lemmy/Kbin, there’s some mentions across similar discussions of going to Tildes, Squabbles.io, Raddle, Discord, and I’d suspect a tiny minority may have gone back to plain old forums and some may be working on setting some up (e.g. Jellyfin’s devs went ahead & did so). If I were to guess without hard numbers, I would guess that the majority that made any move may have simply gone to Discord, with another large amount giving Lemmy/Kbin a go, and a smaller amount of folks going to the others mentioned (i.e. Tildes/Squabbles/Raddle/other forums or trying to set up forums).
If you have numbers that’s even better.
Here I am. Hope it quells your concerns friend.
Sure doesn’t feel like one.
I think it’s more of a mass giving up on Reddit. Some people might come here, some people might go elsewhere, some people might use it to digital detox.
But the ‘mass’ bit will probably be ex mods, power users and people who cared about the way Reddit was being run - a sizeable number but definitely not a majority of users. But crucially a lot of the people who helped to provide quality content.
Despite the hate he gets, Spez is not quite as batshit crazy as Musk (he still is coming up with shit ideas for the future of Reddit though). So although I think Reddit will become a much less interesting place it probably won’t become an unuseable dumpster fire for casual users (like Twitter).
Awesome, thanks for pointing me to the new Accidental Renaissance community! I subscribed to the old one on Reddit but haven’t looked for all the Lemmy replacements yet.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]
While I think we can agree it’s not a mass exodus, and as a percentage it’s fractional, I would be really curious on the relative percentage of mods and higher activity users.
I wouldn’t be surprised if these were proportionally higher than the total percentage as they would be more attuned to what was happening.
I joined right around the blackout, and the amount of content, especially content I enjoy has increased considerably. Everytime I open the app there are new things to read, which definitely wasn’t the case a month ago.
So mass exodus, nah, even if every new user of Lemmy, Kbin and all the other alternatives left Reddit completely we’re a single digit percentage at most. But mass adoption, definitely. With the smaller user base pre-apiexit its much easier to notice all the new contributing users.
It has been an absolute gift to be part of and watching that/this growth. Seeing posts on a new platform go from something like 10/day to the, now, probably, hundreds, if not thousands per day.
I remember in late May/early June this year (2023, when this place really came alive, for archival sake), seeing the posts on Reddit about the ACTUAL api changes, then that evolving into a bit of vocal protest, which surprisingly evolved into an ACTUAL protest with a lot more information why. It was the last straw for me. Everything the world has shit on me and my generation and lifetime, all of it from selfishness and ignorance and greed. Then musk bought Twitter and immediately drove it face first into the ground at high speed and got support by most of the worst demographics on the face of the planet - and I didn’t even care about Twitter. But, a long-standing media giant, brought down by a billionaire simply because he had the money? It was if all of our intuitive fears about the world being awful just came true in real time, over, and over, and over, and over. The past fifteen years have been so bad, it’s actually insane, and it’s nuts to think that it can still be way way worse.
And then along came this dried out, greedy ass, shameless, two faced, wannabe psychopath who IDOLIZED Musk, Hoffman/spez, and just shits in the faces of everybody on Reddit that ever cared about anything. The very people trying to make the world a better place at least for a little while, pleading with him not to be THAT greedy and shitty. And he just spread open his wonderbread buttcheeks, stared us all in the eyes, looked away, smiled into a mirror, and blasted out what was left of his rotten, liquefied spine. RIP Aaron.
Everybody saw it coming, yet we were still all shocked at how blatantly greedy and manipulative every single event was. Now, he’s just trying to wait it out and let it quiet down.
I’m still convinced this or an evolution of this will be Web3.0. The evolution past megacorps as a result of direct abuse of power, anti-competitive and other dark behaviors, anti privacy, ultra-rich maximizations of profits, and late stage capitalism. Decentralization and a reinvigoration and re-emphasis on integrity and quality, put truly into the hands of the users by stripping abilities of people like musk to literally capitalize on and destroy is hugely paramount in the next step. We all want it, the world needs it, and maybe the Fediverse is it. Maybe, maybe not. It feels like the right direction and I’ve had enough bullshit to know it.
I don’t think it’s a mass exodus. However in situations like these I think it’s important to look at the rate of change. r*ddit is steadily getting worse, and Lemmy is steadily getting better. I don’t think there will be an immediate sea change, but hopefully there will be fits and starts in the right direction.
You can see the numbers here: https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
This is so cool! Thank you!
I don’t think I’d call it close to an exodus. But, really that doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter to us if people are leaving reddit. What matters is that there’s enough people here to create a feed with interesting subjects that we can reply to, or we can create content and people will likely reply to it.
We’re at that critical mass now where the content isn’t really a problem. There’s plenty.
While we have that happening, over time as reddit do more corporately motivated rubbish to their users, they will be looking for alternatives and the threadiverse should be a tempting one.
You’re expecting something like the Digg to Reddit mass emigration. That likely will never happen again, the conditions for that are gone. What’s happening is what i predicted for years, people are moving away from the site but not going to a single “replacement” place as there’s just nothing like it, but to many. Be it the Fediverse, Discord, Facebook and related properties, various chats, even forums and freaking IRC.
And it’s also clear it’s not going to be a single massive exodus, but a slow decay over a long time. The site will still be alive ten years from now, like Livejournal and other relics of the past are still technically alive, but will slowly fade from relevance.
And one important thing: Sites like that depend on a few users, the so-called 90-9-1 rule explains it well, only a tiny, tiny percentage of users of the site produce the content it needs to survive, and they’re precisely the ones the administration pissed off. And not only that, but it depends on the moderators, without them the site would devolve to a sewer in no time, and they too have been shafted by the administration. A good portion of them have left the site for good, and the hit will be perceived in time, as they cannot be replaced easily.
Everything that made the site good is dying or dead, let it die, or just survive as a zombie. It will become a cesspool of reposts, recycled content and garbage, and any user that creates good content that still remains there will eventually leave at seeing what the site will turn into.
Digg to Reddit wasn’t a single mass exodus either. It took years, even after the digg redesign. There were still plenty of people left on digg complaining how reddit’s UI sucked, was super confusing, and people would eventually come crawling back. The redesign was just the beginning of the end, just like this API thing will probably be the beginning of the end for reddit too
Also digg peaked at maybe 8 million users which is a much more manageable migration.
