How do y’all cope with this
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Are you morally obligated or are you ethically obligated? Or is it both?
I would say ethics doesn’t really make sense unless there is some sort of rulebook calling for this that I’m not aware of. Because I’d say moral-but-not-ethical is doing what’s right even if it’s against the rules/expectations that apply to you (particularly in a professional capacity, and even then there are different contexts like company policy vs wider ethics).
difference?
Are you morally obligated or are you ethically obligated? Or is it both?
MOBA, not Nuke. Same effect without the radiation.
I’m just here to blow shit up tbh
Ethics refer to a set of rules provided by an external source. I think this is 100% a moral obligation to blow shit up.
I wonder how many of these sabotage memes are started by foreign governments
If the point is a good one, why should we care where it comes from? I don’t see you disagreeing with the premise - only making blind assumptions about the source.
Of course I disagree with the message, damaging infrastructure isn’t going make them replace it with green alternatives it’s going to suck resources from everything else and cause huge extra energy use which translates directly into ecological damage - adding to whatever was caused by the initial spills and fires related to the sabotage.
If you’re going to try and convince people to throw their life away attacking oil and gas facilities then why not convince them to throw it away learning about and advocating for better alternatives? The hard truth is we can burn and explode our way out of the current problems no matter how much we want to.
Why would worse infrastructure be built at greater cost, and where have I tried to convince people to do this kind of thing? I’m simply saying if the outcome is good, I don’t particularly care who pushes it.
I heard they protect the pipelines near places where it’s easy to access and they know pretty quickly where the break happened so they can find you. It’s quite difficult to actually figure out how to blow up a pipeline and not immediately get arrested.
There are thousands of miles of pipeline, Im not so sure.
For all their bluster, did the FBI ever find the guy(s) who shot up the substation in south carolina last year? No it isn’t a pipeline, and it was attacked for dumbass rightoid reasons, but… did they ever find who did it?
Yeah but they’re in the boonies. So if you go out there in a Jeep with your buddies and blow a pipeline they know where to look. It’s not that it’s 100% secure it’s that it’s secure against a lot of smaller acts of violence.
Nah, they just find the broken bits of a kamakazie drone.
Blowing it up will not stop them as they’d just rebuild. More pollution in the process.
So do it again, the whole point of insurgency is to drain the occupier with lopsided attrition. It takes way more labor and resources to build something than to knock it down.
Or better yet, fuck with the reconstruction effort, don’t even let them rebuild
Yeah, I assume there’s gotta be a better way. Like clogging it beyond repair (shut off+completely solidified), siphoning operations (assuming a spill isn’t caused)… And in either case, converting it into something less bad and/or storing the carbon in a stable manner.
(Although even rebuilding from what I see may be at least $1M-$2M per mile, they sure have the money but it’s not insignificant either)
Run for office(or help someone) and make changes.
Ah yes, in 50 years we can make a real difference! If even that due to our flawed (FPtP) voting system and money in politics. We should give it a try though, as I don’t think anyone has ever tried it before. Particularly as I assume these sorts of problems became known just this year… because otherwise we would’ve fixed them with our caring, functional, and proactive government ((/s))
Come on, if the Russians/Americans/Ukrainians can blow up the 1st Nordstrom pipeline, and scare both Germany and Russia from starting the other pipeline, why not? /s
Jokes aside though, who knows what will happen if someone holds up some oil dock workers at gunpoint and orders them to stop the flow of oil and scatter.
One can essentially sanction the world en masse, with just a dozen people
Plus, if that gunman or gunmen can hold the infrastructure as a shield from the resulting police and military, it can used as a negotiation tool with them temporarily, or if things go to shit, they will otherwise just show the ruthlessness and brutality of the state apparatus in using drone strikes etc…
Going after critical national infrastructure like that will get you 5 GTA stars and the national guard on your ass in minutes.
If they hit their own balls, in trying to wipe the infrastructure hostage-taker out, that’s their problem (see: MOVE bombings of 1985)
they’d just rebuild
that’s why you have to kill the people in charge as well.
Find the substation powering a section of pipeline?
Same thoughts, my mind even came up with a good plan. Drones equipped with remote activated termite pots. It melts through steel easily and fossil fuels burn. You can do this from a distance and it uses cheap available materials. I don’t have the guts to do it though… So it remains an Idea.
Thermite pots? Or maybe scary GM termites
I also read that as termite pots and thought @mangoholic was going to follow that up with a pot of spiders.
thermite, yes
Who gives a fuck if you end up on a list? The only list you should be worried about is Santa’s good list and that’s not for another two months
What happens if I end up on Santa’s good list? He blows up my goods?
Smash the Petroliarchy!!!
It would be more productive to ask your congressperson to support a carbon fee and dividend, so that carbon emitters return money to the citizens instead of wasting it on repairs:
https://citizensclimatelobby.org/get-loud-take-action/energy-innovation-act/If you blew up fossil fuel infrastructure, you’d go to jail. The US blew up Nord Stream, nothing happened. We truly live in a society
It wasn’t the US, though.
Yes it was. https://archive.ph/jaqOv
This is garbage.
Honestly reading that I don’t see how you can’t conclude that at the very least it was Ukrainians with CIA backing. It was a very sophisticated attack, and yet somehow they did it “without the knowledge of the leadership in Kyiv.”
Believing in copium does not manifest thoughts into reality. USA blew up Nordstream so that they could make Germany and Europe an oil slave of USA, just like they made Europe militarily enslaved.
A US vassal. Same thing.
If the us and China had a nuclear war the planet might survive.
We will. Cancer is only a problem if you don’t have Moderna’s cancer treatment.
The bigger problem is managing supply chains when China is gone.
How about a foreign fossil fuel infrastructure first?
-Your friendly neighborhood CIA agent
/s
Hey got any fun terror plans I can hop in on? Just text me the address and I’m there.
-Your friendly neighborhood FBI informant.
Oh wait, we already did that last year
-Your friendly neighborhood CIA agent
I’ve looped around to sadomasochism.
Destroy the world! Kill us all! Burn me more daddy!!! 👐 😩 💦
Posadist
Posadas was a fucking Trotskyist 😠
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I imagine dying doing some act of eco terrorism and then imagine my soul going to heaven where I meet Vladimir Lenin who calls me a liberal for doing an adventurism and then writes an entire book about how stupid I am
I smell a new tagline!
Does that mean I’m morally obligated to burn that lady’s shirt?
I would, but this bad air quality thanks to our fossil fuel industry has given me pretty bad asthma and other respetory problems resulting in low energy.
Too sleepy.
Y’all blow it up for me tho, ya? Imma take a nap.
