Interestingly, the states rights debate is true, wholly.
The north wanted to keep the right to acknowledge escaped slaves as free, and the south kept sending people up there to kidnap free men and women. They were even known to kidnap free born black people and sell them into slavery.
The south also wanted to charge the north for this “service”.
When people talk about states rights, remind them that the south was heavily infringing on the rights of the northern states.
It’s “true” on a technicality. It was about slavery.
I guess you’re one of those people who are incapable of reading between the lines.
Or maybe you didn’t read my comment at all?
Eh, sorry, it seemed like you were genuinely convinced that most people were concerned about legal issues. I’ve met people who tried to make earnest arguments like that.
States joining the Confederacy were required to enshrine slavery in their constitutions. They didn’t have the right to reject it. If it had anything to do with states rights at all, it was about ensuring the states didn’t have the right to abolish slavery.
They also put it in their constitution that slavery could never be outlawed. Sounds like a really big issue for states rights
“Buy muh Southern Pride!”
“What about the south are you proud of that involves the battle flag of the side that wanted to keep slavery?”
I’ve lived in Minnesota my whole life. Growing up, there was some religiously homeschooled dumb ass serving in the mn national guard who said that the Virginia battle flag was heritage. The last time I talked to him, I told him that the only heritage for us involving that flag is in the MN historical society archives.
Damn, you found a Minnesotan who’s enough of a loser to want to give up the flag? I thought that was the one issue that united the Right and Left in that state.
I’m still not entirely convinced that he wasn’t actually from Iowa
That’d make a lot of sense.
The flag for a nation that lasted less than 5 years. Bill Clinton’s presidency was a longer piece of Southern heritage than that.
Cocomelon has lasted for over four times as long as the Confederacy
They’re being beaten by mind-numbing nursery rhymes
Matthew McConaughey’s career is almost eight times as long as the Confederacy. Why aren’t they proud of that piece of Southern heritage? Why am I not seeing this on the back of jacked-up pickup trucks?
Cuz “that would be gay”, and Conservatives only allow themselves to be gay in secret
Oh sure, a Matthew McConaughey flag is gay but dressing up in a fancy grey suit and hanging around in a tent in a field with a bunch of other fetishists is perfectly straight.
Your problem here is you’re expecting conservatives to use logic
An awful, hot, itchy, wool suit.
If that is gay, what is this???
Worship of their God
An actual picture of a 6’3" 215 lb Donald Trump?
Oh, o-oh my o///o
I don’t bother learning anyone’s names (or backgrounds, or anything really) in showbiz, but I may make an exception. Strictly for learning. Strictly.
Real Southern Pride is the 1st Alabama Cavalry riding with Sherman to liberate the South o7
Damn, true.
The Pride of Racism
(ig idk what else besides losing lol)
Racism.
Feudalism.
Dysfunctional government.
Xenophobia.
Hatred of social mobility.
Losing is a big part of it. Losing their violent defense of racism.
I was proud of being a punker in 1988. That phase lasted longer than the Civil War.
But it didn’t last longer than the racism and manifest destiny that caused the civil war….
And ~lived on for decades afterwards~ still lives on to this day
Really? These clowns couldn’t take over the capitol building and now they think theyre going to take over the country? Honk your nose for me on your way our the door, k?
The problem with all the slap-on-the-wrist sentences for the insurrectionists, and a totally free pass for Trump for inciting it… Is that they are emboldened to try again.
The only lesson they learned from the insurrection is that next time they should bring all their guns. If people don’t understand that, they are nuts.
They came within a hair of achieving their goal last time. Why wouldn’t they try again?
slap-on-the-wrist sentences for the insurrectionists,
This is the largest group prosecution in the history of the US. Nothing else comes close. It’s a conveyor belt of justice sending losers to the federal pen.
and a totally free pass for Trump for inciting it
He was impeached for it and is now indicted for over 90 felonies. Dude will be under house arrest for the rest of his life. They’re unrelated but there’s a reason why lots of prosecutors are targeting him. Turns out the Justice Department doesn’t like it when you try to invade Congress. They took that shit seriously.
They actually believe that they can revolt, and with their AR-15s, magically take out National Guard troops and just acquire their weapons and armored vehicles.
A member of my family is not only a veteran, but also fell into this lunacy and thinks his work as a logistics officer and his NG training puts him on the level of the Navy SEALs. And he’s almost 60. He salivates at the idea of fighting the mythical military oppression from the evil Demoncrats trying to take away his guns.
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Also a factor, I think, is the notion that the military rank and file are secretly on their side, and in the event of an uprising would defect.
I don’t understand how they think that would work. Like an officer with a few decades in is going to throw away their career for something they saw on the internet? Or do they think a private is going to turn against their unit? Or maybe all the soldiers in a unit will mutiny against their CO? But then how is that rogue unit going to be supplied?
Too bad they fucked over the country so much, 90% of people in the military are just poor people that cant afford college (or to live in general). I dont think these people will join some white supremacist fucks
Some of them might, and if a few state governments decide to side with them a lot of people will get hurt. Even if they lose.
A lot of people gloss over this fact. Most of the folks I served with were poor Latino kids looking for GI Bill money to pay for school. Myself included, minus the Latino part.
Its not just red yokels from Nebraska who can tag an Ivan at 300m. You’re 100p correct, most of the folks in the military would not want to harm other Americans. Most of those guys are patriotic in the good sense.
No civil war. This time just let them go. They will quickly devolve into third world countries. And my federal tax dollars will no longer go to their bullshit.
They don’t really want to secede. They want to dominate their opponents. C’mon bro.
This is it. These people only respect power and hierarchy. Honestly most of the crazies will back down when they lose an election. January 6th was just the stupidest ones.
They’re not gonna just go quietly.
If they could just live their lives in peace without infringing on the rights and freedoms of others they wouldn’t need a civil war. They wouldn’t have needed the first civil war either.
Noooooo. I live in Tennessee and that might be apart of the idiots! Id rather it be done and over with quickly so not to involve normal people.
A bunch of fat, crazy LARPers in the woods does not a confederacy make.
They were moving RV’s full of weapons into position prior to J6.
Why did the weapons go unused? I didn’t even know they had anything like that besides a few pipe bombs planted as diversions.
They had a hard “no guns in DC rule” and I think captured one van prior to riot.
Doesn’t matter the second they get shot at they’ll run screaming MEDIC!
Yeah, these dipshits are surely playing 5-D chess.
It was a coup. The plan was to take control of the government by force.
The south will rise again… slowly from their mobility scooters.
Going to try to give a different perspective here, bear with me. I’m neither left nor right as they are both taking sides of the corral I wouldn’t be in. They are however both taking this very seriously, so I’m thinking cartoon memes of Civil War might be make a person, mmm, callous towards it? Civil War conditions don’t allow much hanging out on the Internet at home right? Maybe the meme sell is you will be able to do that?
There are surely many deadly people on all sides out there especially if your skills in are in computers and memes. I would think that is the last thing either side would really want!
Reality check for those perception manipulating about the South, um, that is where the majority of US Special Forces are born, those people grow up with guns.
Reconstruction this time, but the radicals never lose power.
I dunno, the south might give us a run for our money this time around. I mean, they have some of the most elite soldiers in the country, including but not limited to: the Gravy SEAL’s Meal Team Six, the Green Buffets, and the Roast Guard. Not to mention their many terror sleeper cells like the Yee-Hawdists, Y’all Qaeda and Vanilla ISIS.
Scary thought to put our uniformed men and women against that crack fighting force, they might come back with some severe PTSD.
As a Southerner I find this hilarious.
Don’t forget they have the Minivan Taliban… A truly terrifying opponent.
Is it really, though? The guy is a piece of shit but he was president for four years and America survived.
“Well, he survived the first plane crash, and subsequent explosion…he’ll be fine in the next one. Hey you remembered the double-barrel, right?”
When a man slams his head into my window, and the glass cracks but doesn’t shatter, my response is not “He can do it again, no big deal, the window didn’t break”, it’s “Holy shit did I get lucky, someone stop that stupid fuck from doing that again”
Your response should also not be ‘Gunfights are good and easy to win’
You’re right. That’s not my response. My response is “Cowing to the threat of politically motivated violence is the death of democracy.” Trump goes to jail. What happens after that is immaterial - if the law does not apply to the powerful, even those who attempt to overthrow our democratically-elected government, then we have no democratic government. We have an oligarchy counting the minutes until their next consequence-free coup works.
A civil war is pretty damned far from immaterial. You guys might even lose! You have to defeat him at the polls, other countries have tried doing things the other way and it doesn’t end well.
Other countries have also tried the “Defeat him at the polls!” method. Doesn’t always work. There are no guaranteed defences. No matter what you do, it will be a risk. However, what is guaranteed is that without the rule of law, there is no real government, only elites and us commoners. Without the rule of law, we do nothing but trade time for another Trump coup attempt - or an attempt by someone marginally less stupid.
Did abortion rights survive?
Maybe Congress should have made an actual law instead of leaning on a court ruling for decades. Congress needs to stop using the court to protect them from having to make unpopular decisions. This also wasn’t anything Trump was pushing for, I don’t think he gave any thought to the issue at all.
Thank God Republicans can’t repeal laws or selectively enforce them.
If they were to make abortion legal, how does one selectively enforce that? Federal agents blocking people from entering abortion clinics?
They defeat it the courts… I don’t know, have some schmuck file a lawsuit and then have a republican led Supreme Court escalate it then rule its unconstitutional. That never happens though.
So have Congress make a new amendment for it. They had the time. That’s much harder to overturn and it’s much more difficult for a court to ignore a constitutional amendment vs some old case law.
Yeah, that would have stuck. Though, I do fear the lengths they would go through to defeat an amendment. As we have witnessed its not beyond them to enlist nazis and foreign governments. I can’t even imagine.
I mean, there are ammendments they want to defeat right now. Those one don’t have the spin of “baby murder.”
They did in the good states
Let me guess… the women in “the bad states” deserve what they get.
No, what happened to them is terrible and I hope every one of them remembers how badly their leaders failed them on election day
Bro, as a woman in a “good state”, abortion rights (it’s not abortion rights, it’s bodily autonomy) did not survive. They are thinly-veiled and hanging on by a thread.
It took me 3 years, 5 doctors, and 2 ‘health care providers’ to be granted the right to sterilization and I was still asked “what if you meet a guy and HE wants a baby?!” multiple times. There were mental health councilors and board decisions. They insisted I would want more because I would meet the right man, even after having an abortion post-child. That was 12 years ago during the Obama administration in a dependable blue state. That shit is NOT sacrosanct and never was.
How do you know how they voted to begin with? Maybe they didn’t vote for those leaders. You know votes in red states aren’t unanimous, right? So, again, sort of sounding like you’re saying they’re getting what they deserve…
I’m not 100% on Throwaway’s side here, but I don’t think that’s what they meant.
Word. I’m here in Ohio and my wife and I didn’t vote for any of this shit. We don’t plan on staying here too too much longer, but there are hundreds of thousands here who also think the cheatin’-ass politicians here are ruining people’s lives but don’t have the luxury to move and are thus stuck here. Fortunately, we did show up back in August to block some underhanded GOP bullshit designed to kill reproductive rights, and hopefully will show up again in November to codify those rights, against their machinations.
You can’t throw away your only voice and then complain about not being heard.
You don’t vote, then you get exactly what you voted for, what other people want.
Not for long. They are all talking about a national abortion ban now
Civil wars don’t just start. There’s a build up. Republicans will begin to engage in acts of domestic terrorism like bombings and blowing up substations. Dems will definitely retaliate and that’s how we get a civil war.
I doubt even this would cause a civil war. By world standards, U.S. citizens have pretty good lives, so most people wouldn’t risk it. An unprecedented and complete collapse of the U.S. quality of life would be necessary. People would need to feel like they had nothing to lose, and much to gain to attempt to fight the U.S.
I suppose a quick coup is possible. If the DoD/military backed it, I’d guess most people would just accept it as the way things are, or try to emigrate to other countries.
The U.S., the “west”, and possibly the entire world is probably just destined for a long slow decline as global capitalism eats itself. Probably transitioning to something worse featuring mass surveillance, disinformation like we’ve never seen (powered by “AI” tech), and even greater inequality. But I’m a pessimist :)
Lmao
Paragraph 1: a civil war is unlikely
Paragraph 2: the DoD is going to facilitate a coup to take control of the government.
Paragraph 3: the decadent west will collapse in on itself.
Dude you really went from 0-60 in 3.5 paragraphs.
If by “retaliate”, you mean arrest people, then yes. The closest dems get to doing things outside the law is black people “getting uppity” and accidentally setting fire to the local buger king.
Tell me Burgers King deserves to survive…
It’s already dead. Just a shuffling zombie of something below mediocrity.
The GOP is a party of cowards. They go along with Trump and all the crazy narratives only because they’re afraid of being primaried and losing their positions.
There is a potential for violence and domestic terrorism but it would be a disorganized mess. Just the few true believers duped by the crazy narratives into doing something stupid.
Y’all be tripping, hahaha
Not sure how they relate to civil war.
Working class vs wealthy class war is way better than wasting tine with what you mention.
I know it is a joke…
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What class do you think the South represented? They were wealthy landowners who acquired their wealth by exploiting their slaves and the ignorant poor.
What class do you think republicans represent? Republicans offer trillions in tax cuts to the ultra wealthy who gained their wealth by exploiting their workers.
Marx himself was vocal in his defense of the Union against the Southern slaver oligarchy, no less.
And they’ve gotten smarter at convincing idiots that they’re “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” so they should also fight for the wealthy, against their own interests
Those are the slaves.
Don’t worry, he’s going to Federal prison, not jail.
It won’t.
I don’t think anyone really “won” the civil war. We’re still feeling its effects to this day.
No. The North definitely won.
And I think every black person will agree that that matters.
Considering the avg republican has to ride the diabetes scooters at Walmart I think the 2nd civil war will be a goddamn turkey shoot.
Let’s find out, Trumptards!
I’m not a Trumper and I know for a fact they not only have more gun owners in Republican voting areas, they also train with them more because it’s not as stigmatized. My point is that the Democrat areas will 100% lose any fight since we’ve been told for over two decades that guns are bad
Democrats are not a homogeneous group. And they don’t have a monopoly on loathing Trump.
None of that matters. Whichever side has the military is the side that will win.
But but but the second amendment is so that we the people can keep the government honest
The second amendment should be used for to keep cops honest. After all ya aint gonna randomly kill someone if the folks around you decide to return the favor.
They have louder gun owners. My friends and I don’t advertise our arsenals, and we practice plenty. My carry is hidden from everyone around me, because many people are uncomfortable around guns, and I don’t want to make anyone have to think about it. I am not unique, and I’m in a progressive area.
I promise you are in the minority of blue voting gun owners, and they outnumber you significantly to the point that it becomes trivial for them to oppress you (i.e. cops, military, and rural people mostly vote conservative and most own guns, and so they maintain the monopoly on violence).
We literally will never stand a chance if push came to shove.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. We’ve had to tell these dipshits at least twice in my lifetime not to drink bleach in order to cure diseases.
It takes a lot more that having guns and knowing how to shoot them in order to win a war. They lack the logistics, medical and technical skills required to effectively wage a war. Every time one of these dumbfucks tries to defeat “bullet-proof” glass with a nail gun, it really shows how fucking stupid they are.
Vietcong had literally less and still defeated a major super power.
Why do you think gun ownership will be the deciding factor in an all out war? Seems trivial to me. There are more guns then there are people to shoot them.
Do you think Republicans are just going to go door to door genociding people?
Do you think the US military will play zero role?
You’re fucking insane.
Do you not think arms dealers won’t be champing at the bit to deal to both sides?
I can’t even do this…
In your mind you must think the GOP is going to decend on a city populous and kill civilians by the millions with their ar-15s.
This is just not how war’s are fought.
I am aware of the gun ownership of one liberal person whom I know personally. I only found out because when they gave me a tour of their house, I noticed a small decorative item in their closet and asked about it. The item itself was a gift from their family member.
Every Republican I know who owns a gun, OWNS SEVERAL GUNS VERY LOUDLY AND PROUDLY GOD BLESS AMERICA.
People have asked, and I’ll tell them what I’ve got if they’re interested, but I’m not proclaiming it by any means. Most don’t know that I have made several different firearms and custom attachments. My core group is outwardly some of the most peaceful people you’ll meet, self aware, kind, pro mental health, pro acceptance of any marginalized group, but also understanding of the importance of defending ourselves from the encroaching wave of modern fascism.
