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Disgusting.
I don’t understand why everyone at corporate Amazon is fine with this. I am a white collar corporate sell out asshole and I support unions 100% of the time, full stop.
Wait so…having to go through your supervisor and manager is listed as a plus??? america or not, aint noone likes going through that, usually
“Get informed”
Bold of you to tell people to do something that dangerous, Amazon.
Also what’s the point of getting informed if the last step is saying no? xD
Obviously that image is of a manager, you can tell by its over confident and under qualified stance.
Why sleep in cotton sheets on a spring mattress for $1 in dues when we can offer this manure-soaked bed of straw for only $5 in wage theft?
Exactly how soaked?
This much
Given how big a shitshow Amazon is, both in fulfillment and corporate, I’m shocked that they weren’t the first tech company to fully unionise.
Well, I say that knowing that there are lots of people that are extremely anti-union, even those that have suffered due to RTO/RTT, or Amazon’s infamous PIP culture.
And I say this knowing that Amazon workers could happily form a union with 250k workers, and Amazon would happily fire them without a thought, even if it actively harmed them.
There are some serious issues with unions. For instance sometimes workers are tricked into signing papers that allow the union to have control over the worker. I’m not condoning Amazon but to say Unions aren’t always great.
As always you should make up your own mind
That’s a lie
Fuck off Jeff
What kind of fucked up unions do you have there? Unions are there to help the worker by negotiating better pay, vacation days, etc. It’s like your local political representative that actually does things you want and gives you money when you’re on strike.
I’m from France where unions are kinda everywhere and workers rights well protected : what the hell is this ? Is it real ?
Can’t say if this particular one is real but this definitely tracks in the USA. I’ve worked for companies that have mandatory meetings where anti union consultants will play out this kind of propaganda in real time.
In Spain it’s mandatory to have unions for companies with at least 10 employees.
Dunno if this image specifically is real, but anti-union stuff is common in the US.
I worked this one job where a couple of the employees tried to unionize. It had gotten far enough where there was going to be a vote.
Well the company sent this snake woman around that personally gave almost everyone one on one talks to convince them that unions are bad and they should vote “no” on unionizing.
For some reason none of my coworkers took even a second to wonder why the company was so hell bent on getting everyone to vote “no” that they set up one on one personal meetings with some random anti-union lady.
Yeah, enough people voted “no” that we didn’t get to unionize…
The one other thing I will say that was a bit baffling was that at a prior job I was working minimum wage and it had a union where I had to pay union dues. Wtf was the union doing where I was making less than minimum wage?? Not much apparently.
It’s real. Welcome to America! We rebrand the idea of slavery every 100 years or so to great success!
Fellow French - wait until you realize their unions only apply to one company and not a whole industry so they can’t actually do anything on a large scale. This broke me.
They make union dues seem like a big deal, but not unionizing will cost you even more. A union will pay for itself when they negotiate a raise.
You have much fewer guarantees on pay, benefits, and work rules without a union on your side. Amazon can, and does, change policies at will. A union keeps them in check.
Bringing complaints directly to your supervisor or manager will solve nothing, and in the process, it will get you on their shit list. Sometimes, anonymity is priceless.
My area of work doesn’t have unions.
That last paragraph is absolutely true. I’ve experienced it first hand.
make it have unions
You have much fewer guarantees on pay, benefits, and work rules without a union on your side.
I disagree. Without a union, I CAN GUARANTEE you’re getting screwed.
Costco.
It’s not all companies that are trash. It’s just most.
I’m very pro union. But not all unions are good. My father’s union is so bad he might actually be losing money. They just roll over for management to fuck them, barely negotiate anything at all. Last time, they ‘negotiated’ an increase in pay, and the increase was actually SMALLER than the increase in union dues.
Oh, and they only defend the worst of the worst. Litteral thief, stealing, caught on camera, multiple times ? Well defend you tooth and nails. 'Til the management litterally had to get police involved for them to back down.
Unions in general are good. But for some specific unions, ymmv.
100% agree. Some of my “favorites” are police unions, when they go to bat for obvious criminals. You or I would go to jail under the same circumstances, but those assholes don’t even get a reprimand, and still have authority over others.
Unions are meant to protect the people from overpowered companies. The police union instead protects an overpowered force against the will of the people.
The police unions are absolutely antithetical to the idea of unions as a whole
Good point. I made the mistake of thinking that because “union” is in the name, it’s the same thing. It most definitely is not.
Not all anything is good. That’s not how real life works. There’s only statistics. And statistically speaking, unions are the better choice.
That’s because too many union members treat their union like a service being provided to them instead of something they’re providing for themselves. A union is what the members make it, and if people aren’t participating then yeah, it will probably suck.
Costco is (afaik) not unionized, though the company is union friendly (there may be unionized stores?). They are publicly traded. And workers are paid better than a living wage and have a bunch of benefits.
The company chooses to do this despite their shareholder responsibility, and I will never shut up about it.
Once you’re getting a fair shake, if the company establishes trust, you can get rid of the union. And the company can save the money they spend trying to ruin your lives on something else instead. Not all companies are trash.
But most are.
It’s absolutely vital for governments to promote workers’ ability to unionize and provide employees with rights to protect them from corporate greed.
Oh, and they only defend the worst of the worst.
Naw, more likely people only hear about the most dramatic examples. The every-day, my boss is picking on me stuff rarely gets much attention and is generally resolved quietly.
Litteral thief, stealing, caught on camera, multiple times ? Well defend you tooth and nails. 'Til the management litterally had to get police involved for them to back down.
The severity of the accusation shouldn’t disqualify someone from their union defending them. Also, for a criminal matter, why didn’t they go the police to begin with?
When it’s a low amount in theft, it’s more trouble involving police than just letting them go. It’s also on their record, barring them for future job and putting in legal problem
So it’s better for everyone involved. Unless union want to literally defend a thief
My union dues are tax deductible too where I live
“Dues deducted from paycheck” and “typically must go through union instead of your supervisor or manager” are true. At the same time, they’re minor inconveniences compared to what a bad employer does to you.
As I said in another comment, my dues are automatically paid through my PTO account which in turn is paid into by my employer. So yeah, it’s still my money, but it’s not coming out of my paycheck at all and I honestly don’t even notice it.
At least in my area, most of your big trade unions have this as an option for members through the IBEW credit union.
I personally prefer going through the union instead of my supervisor. Less stressful for me.
It’s not always necessary to ‘go through the union’ instead of speaking with your manager. For pay, conditions and other disputes, yes, you’d want the collective bargaining of a union to get the best deal. For other things, it’s not always necessary.
I had a fall at work a couple of years ago. I fractured my ankle and was away from work until it healed and I could work again. When I returned, the problem area that lead to my fall hadn’t been looked at. I raised it with management myself and they dealt with my concerns and rectified the issue. I informed my health and safety union rep of what I was doing and he agreed to take it up if necessary. It wasn’t.
The company I work for has a long history of working with unions. They obviously have their motivations to improve efficiency and profitability but generally aren’t arseholes about it. The toxic culture I see in other companies only comes about when bosses can get away with murder because employees aren’t able to stand together.
The “effective due” is probably even negative because the extra money they’ll fight for will be more than the due.
My dues are automatically paid out of my PTO account and are basically an hour’s worth of wages per month.
I don’t even notice it.
Same with
No guarantees on pay, benefits or work rules.
This is also technically true - except your union is going to collectively bargain a binding contract which gets you all those things, and prevents you from being exploited or the employer from randomly changing rules to exploit you.
You have no guarantees on pay, benefits or work rules without unions either. The company can change those at any time or never change them at all.
At least a union will fight for those things on your behalf. A company has no incentive to do so and will actively oppose such things if it hurts their bottom line even slightly.
Correct. Benefits can and do get cut frequently without unions. Benefits cannot be cut in a union under contract, and if they try to cut them on the next contract you have the power to collectively bargain and strike if they do not come to the table and bargain in good faith. The recent WGA strike is an excellent example of all of that.
Boss: kids your age are so incredibly arrogant. You think you deserve the world.
Me: we are the same age.
Boss: huh
This actually happened.
People really out here thinking that if you’re a supervisor you just get like 20 years older lmao
Wait… are they saying that I could have sent my employees to the Union instead of endless discussions about next year’s pto distribution? Could you not have said that sooner?!
Typically must go through union instead of your supervisor or manager
Major plus in my book.
Very major, especially because it goes both ways. Hey Manager, if you got a problem with me take it up with my union rep.
dues were paying a couple lawyers to make sure company followed the law and own rules. mgmt is usually jealous of union pay. except upper mgmt(profit sharing) typically union will give better advice in any disputes.
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The amount paid for dues is greatly exceeded by the benefits of having a union.
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You ARE guaranteed pay, benefits, and rules because you have a contract with the employer that covers those things.
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Are these morons suggesting that the union will take over for management?
No the usual ‘argument’ that references is that it you have a complaint or preference or comment or whatever about your work or job duties, you have to bring it to your union rep, rather than talk directly with your employers management. Somehow that’s supposed to be an argument against unions.
Are these morons suggesting that the union will take over for management?
Some unions make disciplinary processes and who can be terminated under what conditions part of the contract. In the worst cases this creates a scenario where bad workers are functionally impossible to fire and the people there actually trying to get their work done have to deal with it, because the bad apple hasn’t been written up for identical violations on at least 3 different dates in the last 90 days, then been provided with explicit written directions of how not to do what they’ve been doing in a meeting with management and the union rep, then given another month before reevaluating if they’ve corrected the issue, then suspending them if they haven’t, then doing the whole process over again before being allowed to fire them. Passing the improvement plan evaluation resets the whole thing. Presuming what they’re doing isn’t an immediate risk of injury or death, that is (that has an expedited process).
Are these morons suggesting that the union will take over for management?
That’d be a great reason to unionize
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