I’ve heard talks that after each Windows update, you have to restore Grub config.
Not the case with me. Had dual boot for some time and never had to fix it… 🤷
This happens to me all the time, any fixes?
I think it’s because I have Windows and Linux on separate drives.
What Windows version and edition are you using? Also, your GRUB is installed in BIOS or EFI mode?
I am on Win11 professional edition I think, EFI mode…
Is this a new issue? I have never experienced this before either
I’ve heard rumors or memes about it. Never had to fix grub after Windows update. Maybe it’s the thing of the past and Microsoft simply fixed this behavior.
But when last time i fixed grub - it was when I renamed disks in Windows, which are actually BTRFS Linux partitions, mounted in Windows using WinBTRFS driver. It somehow changed UUIDs in Linux. This is unrelated, but still wanted to tell 😅
I think people misspeak, windows puts the windows bootloader first after some updates
I’ve had it happen a few times over the years. It probably depends on your drive configuration and it doesn’t happen with every update. But the last time was one too many for me and I kicked windows off my main system.
OS is really not making them money anymore. One thing that helped apple make a comeback was intel hosts and encouraging dualbooting and software to run your windows on mac.
Well, it’s making them plenty of money, but they pretty much get that money no matter what (from the device manufacturers when they sell hardware, and from businesses afraid to have their software entitlement coupled to the accident of their hardware).
Now it’s a game of using that guaranteed footprint to bolster the recurring revenue services (OneDrive, Office, Azure). They still get the money for however the copy got there, but also use the copy to launch folks into recurring revenue options.
Windows OS is one of the biggest misses in the company’s history. The money lost on Zune pales in comparison to the missed opportunities of making NT the go-to dev platform.
People like Mac OS better. The most popular user OS in the world is Android. Cloud is Linux. Microsoft knows they have to play nice because they are so far behind there’s no point in competing how they used to.
It’s really fascinating to see this in my lifetime. I thought of Microsoft as this computing giant growing up, and now they’re more of a cloud services company with an office product side business.
And then there’s this weird desktop thing called Windows with some niche uses in gaming and enterprise, shipping by default on a platform that’s increasingly not relevant to regular users.
Man, I do miss my Zune though. That thing was ahead of its time in some ways
Except that if the rumors are true, they plan to move to a subscription model for Windows. If they do that, then I’ll be done with Windows completely, and rely on Lutris/Steam (Wine/Proton) for all my gaming needs. I run Windows for nothing else.
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I wonder if this is due to antitrust law reasons. Already low Linux market share + secure boot having made installation even harder does not set a good precedent for Microsoft.
A Microsoft lawyer could definitely argue in front of a judge that they not only don’t block it, they actually have a public guide on how to do it. Which may knock down an opposing argument a notch or two.
There are many fans of linux at microsoft. The subsystem is a testament to their push towards more interoperability. Not perfect but a start.
…and a end.
Its called EEE
As long as there are shareholders to appease.
Honestly, I doubt it at this point. There’s far too much reliance on Linux for first party PaaS services in Azure. They even let employees Intune join Linux machines, though I understand distribution choice is very limited.
Azure still uses windows as the desktop though. They want desktop users because that’s where the data comes from
What do you mean by that? Azure is, at it’s heart, a virtualization platform with a large number of services built upon it. Are you talking about the AVD service?
Another thing they have “slipped” in recently is Linux (only Ubuntu for now) support in Microsoft Intune.
This change will make it possible to run Linux in a Microsoft cloud/azure workplace.
Which is one of the things that people seem to forget about with Microsoft when they think that them pushing Linux is some nefarious plot to kill Linux and get everyone on Windows. At this point, it’s like 12% of their total revenue. Not insignificant, but they’re likely going to see far more growth pushing products related to Azure, which most instances are going to be running some sort of Linux VMs.
Microsoft saw the writing on the wall a while ago, and knows that the desktop and even embedded environment is a small slice of the computing pie. They would obviously still prefer to own 100% of that, but they also saw that there’s a finite number of users and devices that’ll use Windows, while there’s effectively an infinite number of things that people can put on their cloud services. Even if it has to be a “competing” OS, they’re making a shitton of money regardless.
I love when people on the Internet say “X did Y quietly” to make it more suspenseful. This doesn’t look quiet to me…
What does “quietly” even mean? Didn’t take out ads in Times Square?
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Not bad, just ironic
This is a long time coming TBH. It hasn’t made sense for at least 10-15 years for Microsoft to still be trying to “win” against Linux. To me when I see it it seems weird. It’s like your old grandpa who still talks about the “japs” when he sees someone driving a Toyota.
Linux runs most of the smartphones in the world, and a BSD fork runs the rest. It’s done. No one is going to deploy Windows Server 2023 edition to run their web services unless something’s gone pretty badly wrong. We’re all focused on AI and cloud computing now, and have been for some time.
The most critical thing a business can do to remain successful is recognize and adapt to the new reality.
Will Microsoft stop to undermine hardware interoperability with their sucky API, closed implementation and co ?
I don’t mind Windows as long as the hardware platform remains “open”
well windows is the reason why some laptops don’t have s3 sleep anymore
I know, that’s why I am totally cold to any of their “opensource” contribution. Most are not useful to non Windows system, Microsoft is getting more than doing.
- Vscode? really
- .Net Core? who cares?
- Github? hem
- WSL ? who cares? Better using a VM
- Naturally, zero contribution to Proton
Even the laptop surface lineup is reverse engineered by the community.
wsl is better, faster and much more convenient than a vm for most tasks. If you think a vm is a replacement for wsl, you don’t know what you’re talking about. (it targets a completely different usecases and audience).
vscode is a… decent open source* code editor (official builds are licensed under EULA and packaged with proprietary components, but there’s also codeoss/codium) with an enormous plugin ecosystem (with an unofficial open source backend available)
It works great for (Rust) development for me and a lot of other people.
I don’t feel like learning vim, and there aren’t many other (mature) alternatives..net core is a good thing; it brings the most important parts of the .net ecosystem (that some people are used to) to Linux, mac and other platforms.
Extra choice and software compatability is always great.Github… yeah it’s… sketchy
but it’s still the de-facto standard, and while it’s completely proprietary, it’s main usecase is public projects. (it’s safe to assume that most private repos are hosted on private git instances)
Also MS is doing a decent job at keeping it “not shitty” (unlike windows; i actually agree with most changes to github) and all improvements made to it improve life for millions of open source developers.Also Microsoft mostly contributes to projects they’re actually using (open source libraries, linux, etc), so why would they ever contribute to Wine or Proton?
It doesn’t affect them or their software in any way.(btw I’m not a native English speaker so please forgive my mistakes)
https://dotnet.social/ mastodon guide next
It makes sense. Over half of the Azure VMs are running Linux so there clearly is a demand for it despite the last 30 years of MS actions.
Thread the needle
Link to post: https://mastodon.social/@Linux_Is_Best/111202901396633888 Link to Microsoft guide : https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install
Thanks, that’s one of my pet peeves, posting a screenshot of a post without a link to the source.
if you can’t beat them join’m!
lolFOSS ftw✌️
but the Linux crowd, in the world of Prez Steve, are communists.
But it’s kinda true though, at least in spirit? Red Hat obviously not though.
I kind of hoped Redhat was going to reverse uno IBM there for a bit, fuck was I wrong…
I mean, to be fair, that article is over 20 years old by now.
After 20 years, lots of people grow out of their mistakes and become wiser.
Ballmer is not one of these people.
So Linux is an end state utopia of software? Never thought Ballmer was based
Microsoft must make 40% of their revenue off of Azure at this point. I would not be surprised if more than 50% of that is on Linux. Windows is probably down to 10% ( around the same as gaming ).
https://www.kamilfranek.com/microsoft-revenue-breakdown/
Sure there are people in the Windows division who want to kill Linux and some dev dev folks will still prefer Windows. At this point though, a huge chunk of Microsoft could not care less about Windows and may actually prefer Linux. Linux is certainly a better place for K8S and OCI stuff. All the GPT and Cognitive Services stuff is likely more Linux than not.
Do people not know that Microsoft has their own Linux distro? I mean an installation guide is not exactly their biggest move in Linux?
Do people not know that Microsoft has their own Linux distro?
MS has been at Linux expos since 2004! They started working on SUSE in friggin 2006! I truly don’t get the amount of bile and ignorance the Lemmy community has towards them, it’s like half these folks are still on 2001-era slashdot, talking about FUD and Micro$oft.
Yeah, Microsoft has been a shit company making mediocre products its whole lifetime, but the amount of unhinged hatred here does not in any way match the present-day company’s actions.
The hatred literally stems purely from Windows 10 and 11.
They are products engineered so expertly to frustrate you in such a distasteful way it’s downright offensive to anyone who has used any other operating system. It’s genuinely a marvel of human engineering.
Microsoft contributes to Linux and other open source projects in many ways, including financially. The cynical among us believe it’s for the same reason Google contributes to Mozilla. Legally it’s harder to prove you’re an evil monopoly if you financially support your competition. Microsoft’s involvement in Linux only became noteworthy after their 2001 Antitrust suit.
I got radicalized by Slashdot. But I don’t regret it.
Also, if you spend any amount of time around the Linux Kernel Mailing List, there’s no shortage of microsoft.com email addresses involved and contributing here and there.
I would not be surprised if more than 50% of that is on Linux.
Depending how you count “on Linux” the over/under is closer to 90%.
Great source, but it also shows they make 23% off office. Together with Windows, that’s over 30% of their revenue.
Office doesn’t work on Linux, so it really doesn’t make financial sense to push Linux
