• @niktemadur@lemmy.world
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      “She must be executed.”
      “But you beat your meat to her videos all the time.”
      “That is a sacrifice I am wiling to make.”
      “Wisely said, brave martyr. Glory be to Allah.”
      “Glory be.”

  • @Holyginz@lemmy.world
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    Isn’t she the pornstar that tried desperately not to be called that and to have that stuff forgotten? Why was she at playboy anyway?

  • @VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf
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    This smells really fishy. They quote her directly when it comes to her taking the side of Palestinians in general (aka, the oppressed population) but when it comes to her supposed support of Hamas in particular, all there is in the article is a paraphrase of THEIR version, not a direct quote.

    Sounds like a political hit job.

    • @intensely_human@lemm.ee
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      There’s this idea going around that directly quoting the thing a person got cancelled for is spreading whatever hate they were spreading.

      The obvious side effect of such a practice is that people who get silenced never get their side of the story told.

      I find that sketchy as well

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        Actually, it turned out that the article DOES directly quote what she was cancelled for. It was just that the article made it sound like she’d declared her undying loyalty to Hamas when in actual fact she hadn’t even mentioned them. I’m just gonna copy a comment of mine from earlier today explaining the whole thing:

        Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal," she wrote on the platform on Saturday.

        That’s all. If you’re very inattentive or deliberately misinterpreting her words, you’d think that she was endorsing Hamas as “freedom fighters”.

        But if you DO pay attention and know anything, you’ll notice that she never mentions Hamas and know that Hamas aren’t usually the ones filming any of their atrocities. Add her clarification from a few days later and it’s clear that she did NOT endorse Hamas and is the victim of character assassination because she had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime:

        I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.

    • @nucleative@lemmy.world
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      I don’t think a reputable publication would post hate speech verbatim, even if it’s from someone else. There might be an archive somewhere?

      • @VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf
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        Not true. They post hate speech from right wing politicians verbatim all the time.

        As for the tweets being somewhere else, it seems that it’s this:

        Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal

        To the inattentive and/or wilfully misinterpreting, that might come off as an endorsement of Hamas as “freedom fighters”, but note that she doesn’t mention Hamas by name and that Hamas aren’t usually the ones filming any of their atrocities.

        Add her clarification from a few days later and it’s clear she’s talking about regular people filming the atrocities of the Israeli oppressors and isn’t referring to terrorism at all, unless you define it broadly enough to include the Israeli state terrorism:

        I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day

        As I suspected, she didn’t do what they said she did. She just had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime.

        • ???
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          I tried to read all her Tweets despite not having a Twitter account and yes, none of them mention Hamas or support Hamas. She’s just telling people to tear down the wall.

          Apparently, that’s only okay in Berlin and other places. Clearly tearing down the siege wall surrounding Gaza or the apartheid wall that has plagued Palestinians and ruined their agricultural lands for years and years is a big no-no.

          Down with the goddamn fucking walls.

          • @VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf
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            apartheid wall that has plagued Palestinians and ruined their agricultural lands for years and years is a big no-no.

            Not to mention thousands being forced to go through military checkpoints to reach the nearest schools and hospitals, if they’re lucky enough to even be allowed to pass.

            • ???
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              She meant freedom fighters, not necessarily Hamas. She seems to have also clarified in another tweet what she meant by that.

      • @VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf
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        And what bullshit would that be? Anything that would be a fireable offense?

        That’s not rhetorical or sealioning btw. I’m genuinely asking since I’m not familiar with her at all other than clears throat some of her early work several years ago…

        • @OrangeJoe@lemm.ee
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          I don’t know so I won’t speak to that, and no judgement of right or wrong here, but this is the US. Anything is or can be a fireable offense so long as it’s not one of a few specific protected things. In almost every state. So making a post on social media pretty much regardless of content can be a fireable offense if the company deems it so.

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            Just because it’s technically allowed doesn’t mean it’s not reprehensible treatment of a mostly blameless person, though. I’m not sure it even IS technically allowed, actually. She might have a good libel and wrongful termination/breach of contract case…

            • @OrangeJoe@lemm.ee
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              As I said, no judgement from me one way or another. Also we have no way of knowing what kind of contract she had or whether there was some kind of morality clause. Maybe this violated it. Maybe not.

              All I was saying was that, whether right or wrong, employment can be terminated pretty much anywhere in the United States for any reason as long as it’s not a protected thing, which this almost certainly is not. So saying something is or isn’t a fireable offense probably needs some context. Because anything could be a fireable offense if the company thinks it is.

              • @VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf
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                You’re right, I should have been more clear about expressing what I actually meant in the first place. I meant should but said would lol

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    Some people have zero sense of context, it’s laughable lol

    Shouting “I support Gaza !!” on every roof RIGHT NOW, has exactly the opposite effect

    I too support civilians living their lives peacefully, but we are talking about terrorists here

    • @VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf
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      Ironic that you would talk about zero sense of context when siding with the people ignoring crucial context.

      Mia Khalifa was NOT talking about terrorists. She was talking about the oppressed people of Palestine who film the atrocities of the Israeli apartheid government. She didn’t mention Hamas and since they’re not usually the ones filming THEIR atrocities, it’s clear that she wasn’t referring to them either. Especially when you add her own clarification to the equation:

      I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. “I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.”

      • DaDragon
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        It was still a bad post, at least based on how it reads to the average unknowing person.

        • @VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf
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          Yeah, it was worded imprecisely enough to make misinterpretation possible, which is always a bad move when discussing contentious issues no matter your intention.

          Definitely wasn’t bad enough that she deserved being immediately fired, cancelled and defamed as a terrorism sympathiser, though.

          • @assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
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            Yeah I’ll agree with that. It was exceptionally poor wording and it comes down to the benefit of the doubt if you believe she worded it poorly vs … yeah. But the deserves the benefit of the doubt.

      • make -j8
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        She could have just started with “My heart goes to Israeli victims” or stuff like that, before tagging “Free Palestine” at the end. That would fly without a hurdle.

        • @VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf
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          So she’s not allowed to express solidarity with the Palestinian victims of Israeli oppression without also mentioning the Israeli victims of Hamas terrorism?

          Are people not allowed to express solidarity with Israeli victims without also mentioning Palestinian victims either?

          • make -j8
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            Did I ever mentionned “not allowed”? I said mentionning killer’s family on a victim’s funeral is A LITTLE un-diplomatic sir

              • make -j8
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                well, that’s totally how many people see it. That’s a fact.

                • @VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf
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                  It might be a fact that many people see it that way, but that would just mean that many people are wrong. Many people believe all sorts of ridiculous lies and distortions of reality.

            • @Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              Except in this instance the killer’s family is tied up in the corner of the funeral home actively being murdered by the victim’s uncle

      • @assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
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        It was a very poor choice of wording to say freedom fighters to refer to civilians. It was just as poor to mention videos without any information whatsoever on the contents of the videos. Perhaps this is one giant misunderstanding.

        Either way, a statement referring to a video from freedom fighters in the region right now without any context immediately brings to mind the carnage from the terrorist attack.

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        lol I have no skin in the game, being atheist and not jew, and not from US neither

        If you believe that announcing “I support Palestine!!” right after Hamas fuckers killed a thousand of civilians would be a great idea, you are delusional

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      Israel has been killing civilians for years and have racked up a far higher body count. Are they living their lives peacefully?

      I too support civilians living their lives peacefully, but we are talking about terrorists here

      Hamas has done awful things, but that doesn’t mean Israel is good.

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        Before this happened, violenc between settlers in the Westbank and native Palestinians had tripled compared to 2022, to 3 per day, while the world news cycles were preoccupied with Ukraine.

        • Blackout
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          Are you talking about settlers that have for decades stolen the Palestinians ancestral homes? Kicked them out of the house they were born in without any compensation. If that happened to me in my home I would too go radical cause at that point diplomacy has failed.

    • @intensely_human@lemm.ee
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      And definitely not praising the people who just went through a music festival with guns and indiscriminately killed people and dragged off other ones.

      A woman whose husband is missing was being interviewed. She said that whenever her baby would cry in their hiding place, bullets would fly through the wall of the shed where they were hiding.

      Why anyone would have praise for that organization I cannot fathom.

      • @dmonzel@lemmy.world
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        Good thing she didn’t actually praise anyone who just went through a music festival with guns. But nice job making that assumption instead of actually reading the quote.

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          Her comment suggests the videos of interest are being filmed by the freedom fighters.

          I am unaware of any armed Palestinian group which fights the Israeli government for their independence. Who is the only other group that someone could (somehow) construe as freedom fighters that’s taking videos?

          Unless she’s calling the Israeli army freedom fighters and they have people filming in their midst, there’s only one group she can be talking about, and they went through a music festival with guns.

          Don’t stop at just reading the comment. Comprehend it. Analyze it.

          Edit: And that includes your own comments. There are indeed other groups involved which aren’t Hamas, and she was referring to civilians. Incredibly poor wording if she’s telling the truth, but I see no reason to not give her that benefit of the doubt.

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    Reading these comments is fucking insane.

    Calling Hamas “freedom fighters” is an insult to every real current and past freedom fighter in history of mankind.

    Freedom fighters dont choose targets that are exclusively civilian, they don’t hunt down and execute civilians, nit caring about their beliefs or standing. They don’t spread terror among the civilian population. All of these things make the thing they are fighting stronger and puts the rest of the population against them. It’s what terrorists do.

    Why do you think people in the zionist government support Hamas?! Because it serves to justify the hanous things the government does against Palestinians as a whole.

    Real freedom fighters choose infrastructure, smaller military targets (that are reachable), political assassinations of the government officials they are against, et cetera.

    These cause civilian casualties, but the civilian casualties are not the goal, they are the byproduct.

    Palestinians deserve so much more than Hamas, but Hamas won’t let them choose. They silence or kill anyone who disagrees with them, be it Israeli of Palestinian.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸

    Fuck Hamas.

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      It’s what terrorists do.

      This particular sentence is not entirely correct, as it implies that freedom fighters can’t use terror tactics and thus be terrorists.

      Say, if some Armenian force (there are none that’d have the balls) would bomb the Mingechaur dam, the pipes and infrastructure going through Tovuz, other smaller hydroelectric objects etc in Azerbaijan, - these would be actions aimed at fighting for freedom, but very important part of their effect would be terror.

      In some way any violent activity aimed at denying someone their feeling of safety is terrorism. Like, say, allied bombing campaign of Germany (its goals were even formulated like that).

      I agree that Hamas are not freedom fighters, their ideology is pretty Nazi.

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        There is again difference between blowing up a strategic dam and attacking a concert full of civilians.

        First can have some actual strategic importance, cutting out energy, interrupting travel, et cetera.

        It causes terror and civilian causalities, but that is again, a byproduct. If the latter is greater than the former it doesn’t add to the revolutionary goal, I would argue it damages it and causes more harm than good for the group.

        Second is pure terror, it serves no purpose for the group, vilianizes them to the public and makes the government they are fighting against stronger.

        Any action that doesn’t help with a revolutionary goal or even detracts from it, is useless.

        Any action with no strategic importance and only creating terror is not only evil, but harms the group more then it helps.

        There is a massive difference between terrorism and freedom fighting.

        I am not saying freedom fighting groups don’t do terrorism, we dont live in a perfect world. What I am saying that terrorism has no benefits and only harms not only the innocent but also the group commiting it.

    • @Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      She did clarify that she was talking about Palestinian civilians filming the missile attacks on civilian homes and such, calling them freedom fighters for documenting atrocities

    • @zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Hamas hunt down and execute civilians? I mean I’m pro Hamas, but even if you think they are evil, you know they need them for Negotiations and hostage exchange right?

      • @TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Yes. Literary, yes. Hunting down and killing random civilians was their stated goal.

        They might say that they took the hostages for negotiations, but it’s much more likely they took them as human shields. Just how they always used innocent palestinians.

        It’s funny how you can unironcally say that you are pro hamas. You might as well be pro ISIS or pro Taliban.

        • @zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Pro Taliban yes, pro ISIS no. They are different things.
          Where did Hamas state their goal is hunting down civilians? Do you follow their Telegram Channel, or that of the spokeperson Abu_'ubaidah or Al-Jazeerah? I mean you can say this is their real goal that you deducted from watching media, but not the stated. Hamas are not even using hate speech against Jews or Israeli group anymore, they declare their enemy as Zionism.
          Besides you say Hamas are using human shields, Hamas actually have a network underground, so they are always away from Israeli bombing and they state that. It is literally a hobby for Netenyaho to bomb Palestinian Civilians to pressure them so they turn back against Hamas, exactly how Terrorist movements work.

    • Phoenixz
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      Since she was joking about civilians executions, I think they were pro go fuck yourself mia

      • @bitwaba@lemmy.world
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        Anyone that gets their geopolitical opinions from a pornstar has some serious self reflecting to do. Firing her, or leaving her employeed, will make little difference in the world.

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          I don’t think this was about her opinions as much as it was about here shitty taste of humor.

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        Since she was joking about civilians executions…

        Except she wasn’t. That’s the line the media is pushing but, if you actually read what she wrote -

        “Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.”

        there’s no reference, direct or inferred, to Hamas or civilian executions. The propaganda machine is working overtime.

          • Karyoplasma
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            Any of the civilians in the Gaza prison camp that documents the situation could be reasonably called a freedom fighter.

          • @SoleInvictus@lemmy.world
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            Here’s an article that slightly better explains the situation.

            She wrote…

            “I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is enticing spread of violence, I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.”

        • Phoenixz
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          When referring to execution videos then yes, you’re a dick when saying that.

          • @SoleInvictus@lemmy.world
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            I’ll never understand why people like you seem to practically fall over themselves, making things up to justify being upset at situations. You’re all bizarre.

      • @Plibbert@lemmy.ml
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        I just took a look at the pinned article but didn’t see any pro Hamas tweets, just anti-zionist and pro Palestinian.

        Can you quote it for me, I admit I did kinda skim it.

        • @RunawayFixer@lemmy.world
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          *She posted on X on Oct 7, which now stands deleted, saying, “Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.” She added "If you can look at the situation in Palestine and not be on the side of Pal…

          Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/world/mia-khalifa-shows-support-to-palestine-amid-crisis-with-israel-sparks-row-2721465*

          The posts were in the article I linked + the one above (might be the same one, I just googled another one that has the quotes - I’m on mobile, don’t expect too much ;)). She is not using the name of Hamas, but she is calling them "Palestinian freedom fighters. **It is by the timing that we know that she was talking about Hamas. **

          She made those posts shortly after the attacks, when social media was being filled with footage of Hamas. Hamas fighters post videos in portrait format of them gunning down civilians, Mia Khalifa posts shortly after and asks the “Palestinian freedom fighters” for videos in landscape format. So she called the terrorists who were indiscriminately killing civilians, freedom fighters, thereby tacitly supporting their actions. Strike 1.

          In a second follow up post, she states that one should always be on the side of Palestinians, implying that in her eyes the atrocities that were committed just hours before, were justified because they were committed by Palestinians. No nuance, exceptions or caveats, for her, anything done in the name of Palestinians against Israël is apparently justified, no matter how heinous. Strike 2.

          A 3rd post was about Palestinians tearing down their prison walls, which mostly just went to show how incredibly stupid and ignorant this woman is. It’s possible that she misunderstood the situation and thought that those terror attacks were the start of a bigger offensive with the aim of ending Palestine oppression.

          There are plenty of people who support fully liberating the west bank without applauding terror attacks against civilians, but she chose to start applauding right after the images of the terror attacks hit the media. It’s only much later that she started retracting her statements and proclaiming that she wasn’t talking about Hamas.

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        Well to be fully honest, freedom fighters and terrorists are the same thing, just from two perspectives. The average afghani villager probably won’t consider their current government terrorists, even if a large part of the western world does.

        One man’s terrrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

        • @paddirn@lemmy.world
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          Yes, those freedom fighters bravely raped and murdered a music festival full of people for the glory of Palestinian freedom.

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          An example of what you’re saying is the pkk in Turkey. Turkey calls them terrorists, while a lot of people still view them as a party fighting for freedom. But the pkk and it’s armed wing have never committed indiscriminate mass massacres of civilians. The endgoal of the pkk is also not the total destruction of the Turks, but rather the self determination of the Kurds.

          Hamas on the other hand has as endgame the total genocide of Jews and has no qualms in indiscriminately massacring civilians.

          About Hamas there is no nuance: they are genocidal terrorists.

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      Pro-Palestine. One of her posts was ambiguous - "Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.”

      The media propaganda machine was more than happy to pretend that was directed to Hamas, and then went on to fabricate that it was in reference to civilian executions, but it’s all 100% bullshit.

      • @RunawayFixer@lemmy.world
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        If at a time when terrorists of Hamas are releasing a ton videos of their terror attacks, you say "Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.”, then you are calling those terrorists freedom fighters. And if you call terrorists freedom fighters, then you are tacitly supporting those terrorists and their acts of terror. Especially if you do this right after one of the most brutal attacks against civilians that we have seen in the last few years.

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          You can assume that’s what she meant, but you don’t actually know that - you’re just putting words into someone’s mouth. She even clarified later that’s exactly what she DIDN’T mean. This is also a time when Israel is bombing largely defenseless citizens. If you’re going to make assumptions about the intent of a statement, it’s also valid to assume she’s referring to this.

          Not every Palestinian is a member or supporter of Hamas, and not every person who fights for the freedom of the Palestinians is a member or supporter of Hamas.

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    I came here thinking this sounds like she might be getting woke-cancelled for suggesting Israel is pure as driven snow…

    Khalifa even urged Hamas fighters to “flip their phones and film” executions horizontally in one of her posts.

    Nevermind, she can go fuck herself with a cactus.

    If you think military fighters executing civilians is an acceptable strategy, you probably deserve to be among those civilians and see how you like it.