This meme is from 2004. History repeats itself.
I agree with the comic. I do however disagree with the title. I think the Hamas’ attack shouldn’t to be called “resistance”, just as Israel’s response shouldn’t be called “self defense”.
im not pro palestine im anti israel
war is hell, neither side is good, but resistance is only human
Why not pro Palestine? They are the resistance to Israel.
It would have been okay if they just lived their live peacefully and actually cared to improve. But no, “we need more land and more people over the world seeing how we kill civilians”. This is so going to work for sure, yeah.
It’s possible for both sides of a conflict to suck.
It is possible. But in this case, it is occupier vs occupied. An ethnoreligious state vs stateless people being ethnically cleansed. Something being possible doesn’t make it factual.
Life is not a Marvel movie
Then act like it
I’m not parsing people parading around with corpses for their “resistance ✊” just because they would make a good “opressed good guy” in a movie
Is there a coherent argument here for me to respond to? If so, state it clearly and directly. Your movie analogy makes no sense.
Each time people try to justify Hamas as Palestine resisting massacre when they go on a killing spree on an international music festival makes me care less. People who criticize Israel will also criticize Hamas killings, and the more you work to associate Hamas to Palestinians and the more that Palestinians themselves associate, support, and congratulate these terrorists, the more that we as third parties will stop caring and pull back to let you kill yourselves for your imaginary blood beliefs.
makes me care less
What has your hesitant caring (if even true) achieved before? Is there anything lost that we should worry about?
We actually much rather you take a step back and leave us. Please start by telling your governments to gtfo of Middle east and stop all intervention. We don’t want you.
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Didn’t you read what he wrote? He, acting as our representative, has already made it clear that we, all third parties, don’t care and just want to watch the world burn. Get in line!
I mean, both Hamas and Israeli leadership should be prosecuted for war crimes
I just think this situation shouldn’t have even been reached in the first place…
Is this cartoon originally about the US invading the middle east? Looks like the twin towers in there.
Whenever Israel says their gonna bomb a place to let civilians leave, the Hamas make the civilians stay so they get killed along with them. The Hamas are monsters
Israel does not allow Gaza civilians to leave Gaza. Why blame Hamas?
Cuz hamas is the reason israel bombs the gaza strip and the people of the gaza strip have chosen to let hamas do what they want. It’s kinda the same reason why anti-israel dumbasses say it’s ok to kill israelian civilists
Lemmy is full of authoritarian xenophobes (read: white kids from wealthy backgrounds) who support the brutalization of the Palestinian people and open air prison they’re forced into. That’s why you never heard a peep from them about the murders of innocent Palestinians that have been nonstop since the establishment of the Apartheid state of Israel. You won’t find much support here among these right wing war mongers.
It isn’t anti-Semitism to criticize israel, it’s just noticing the obvious.
My favorite was when Bernie Sanders was called antisemitic for criticizing Israel. His response was something along the lines of “It isn’t antisemitic to criticize a right-wing government in Israel.” It must’ve taken all the patience in the world to not add “you fucking toolbags”.
I’m not a Christian, but if Bernie was the second coming…
I’d be only slightly surprised
There are criticisms that are antisemitic. This isn’t one of them, though.
The only one I can think of is the idea that the Jews made up the Holocaust to guilt the West into giving up Israel… Which is indeed antisemetic, and asburd
Fascists get away with conflating Judaism and Zionism because they don’t teach that Zionism has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism, and actually goes against a lot of their values. It’s actually been around for quite awhile; you know the crusades, when they went around killing a bunch of civilians to set up settlements? Those were Christian Zionists.
That’s why it’s anti-semitic to conflate the two. One is a religion and the other is a fascist genocidal colonialist movement. So next time you see some german lady shouting down a holocaust survivor for calling out Israeli apartheid (yes, this literally happened, and it was the Jewish guy who got punished) you’ll see it for what it is. It’s not complicated, it’s a clear cut case of modern day nazism.
Amen, who was it who said that the way to find out what group is getting away with too much bullshit is to look at what group you’re not allowed to criticize in any Circle?
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Gosh, why would anyone think Israel is bad?
I addressed those falsehoods already. Feel free to address my arguments there.
Would you blame some Ukrainians for wanting all Russians dead?
What if Russia kept this up for 50 years? What if they cut off power and water to Ukraine? What if they blockaded it for decades? Would you blame them for voting for a party that wants the Russians dead? Do you blame Afghan citizens for supporting the Taliban after a decade of American occupation?
Good luck finding anyone who thinks Hamas’ actions are good, but they are entirely predictable. Hamas is the only outcome that could ever happen with the environment Israel created and maintains to this day.
If riots are the voice of the unheard, terrorists are the voice of those unheard after decades of oppression and occupation.
Would you blame some Ukrainians for wanting all Russians dead?
I mean that’s a fucked up starting point tbh, so yeah, I would.
Ukraine has made it clear they’ll stop at their border. Hamas have made it clear they will not. They’re an existential threat to Israel.
edit: we’re all looking in thinking an equitable two state solution is the answer but Hamas have made it clear that’s not an option for them. How do you discuss anything with someone whose stated goal is to eradicate you?
At least in Northern Ireland the goal was to leave Britain alone after a united Ireland had been achieved.
You really wouldn’t understand why some Ukrainians would support a party that calls for the death of all Russians? You really can’t see why Afghans supported the Taliban during the American occupation? I’m not asking if it’s right for them to do so, or if it’s right for people to support those that do, in asking if you can understand why they’d feel that way.
What are your thoughts about the Haitian slave revolt?
Hamas’ stated goal is a product of Israeli actions. Terrorist groups calling for the destruction of another country don’t tend to form in stable, prosperous, and free countries.
Not to mention that Israel has been actively stealing Palestinian land for decades and recently argued to the UN that all of Palestine was a part of Israel. They aren’t exactly respecting the border either. They are also seen as an existential threat to the Palestinians.
Israel doesn’t see a two state solution as an option either. They either want full control over Palestine or a puppet state that they have almost total control over. No real Arab state would be allowed by them and they’ve made that clear.
Nothing good will happen until tensions deescalate, which can’t happen until Israel backs down from their occupation and oppression. You won’t stop making new terrorists until they are treated as people.
Man is there any popular meme communities on lemmy that ban Political posts? Getting sick of this community.
This meme is dank and if you don’t like politics that’s totally fine but you don’t get to dictate to others what this community is about.
What an incredibly hot take. Like how is asking about a place to go where you’ll find memes that are more enjoyable to you dictating anything?
Hey please don’t reply to my comments. Thanks!
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What about this one?
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Not exactly an answer but you can block communities you don’t want to see.
I doubt there’s any. There’s not a good definition of a “political meme” that wouldn’t have many people disagreeing whether certain memes are political or not, hence breeding power trip mods and bias. Most likely, it’ll just be allowing the political memes that agree with mods opinions, or are status quo to the mods, and hence not seemingly “political” even if it is.
But if you find one, please comment it here. I’d love to see it.
The question of whether politics should be allowed in meme communities is itsself political
Imagine being this deplorable
I love conflicted podcast. Condensed: fuck organizers of these attacks (likely iran) just before historic peace treaties in the region. They knew fully well what would the response be.
Take a look at this guy’s other Palestine Israel Post and decide if you wanna upvote this terrorist enjoyer.
“The genocide must stop” is what you consider to be terrorism? Oh yeah, you must be from the west, where terrorism is resisting massacre.
On Lemmy, you firstly see the message before the messenger. That is something that makes it magical, it clears your self-history and allow you to have a free mind on ideas presented.
https://lemy.lol/post/11080592 for the curious.
there is no bigger terrorist than Israel.
One site is kidnapping children and senior citizens, raping them und displaying them in public. The other is demolishing buildings, where a terror organisation is hiding, with a 3h notice.
No offence but you fell for pollywood
The other is demolishing buildings, where a terror organisation is hiding, with a 3h notice.
How much CNN did you read to come to this conclusion?
Gaza is literally 5-11km thick the entire way down, with nearly 6,000 people per square kilometer. That’s half the density of New York, in significantly smaller buildings.
Where are these people going to go, when 30% of Gaza is indiscriminately carpet bombed? They’re not even allowed to leave the city. They can’t go to Egypt, they can’t go into the sea, and they can’t go to Israel. The roads are literally blocked, while 100,000+ people try to flee the bombing zones. Oh also, did I mention they no longer have a source of water and food?
Where do you find that they are indiscriminate carped bombed ? It’s mostly the other way around. And fun fact. Most of hamas‘s rockets land in Gaza, as they are shit. This kills civilians or injuries them in Gaza. And they get free healthcare in Israel. But Israel are the bad guys, I guess
Israel just told them to evacuate the north HALF of Gaza. What are 7ntalking about??? Admit reality at least.
Exactly that. They gave them notice to evacuate. If they were indiscriminate carped bombing they would just do it. But they give them a heads up, so that civilians can leave the area
Yeah totally reasonable to tell people to leave half their “country” overnight.
Keep clowning, clown.
Better than the alternative of just dropping bombs on them. They are at war. They will retaliate for the raid, and isn’t that nice, that they at least care to minimise civilian casualties?
Everyone with two neurons to rub together knows their “notice” is nothing more than a fig leaf. They know it’s impossible for more of the people there to actually evacuate.
Carpet bombing requires an air force. Israel has one and Palestine does not.
No it doesn’t, you can carped bomb with rockets to. Carpet bombing is a strategy
No you can’t carpet bomb with rockets. That’s not how rockets work.
Israel is the only party engaging in this specific war crime in this conflict.
I don’t think you know, what carpet bombing is, it’s the act of „bombing“ an area with a large amount of „bombs“. Bombs is a bit confusing, as it were mainly bombs in ww2, when it was first used. But nowadays it refers to explosives in general, indifferent of the method of delivery.
Firing a barrage of the grad rocket system is as much of carped bombing as payload of a b52
Carpet bombing is indiscriminately bombing a specific concentrated area oftentimes with unguided ordinance. That is neigh impossible to achieve with rockets. You could do that with missile systems but Palestine also doesn’t have many of those.
The fact is only Israel is capable of carpet bombing in this conflict.
Semantics, those rockets didn’t have a guidance system. Civilian deaths become inevitable when the Internet & international scorecard for favoritibility includes the number of martyrs.
No it isn’t semantics. You can’t carpet bomb with rockets just like you cannot with RPGs. It’s like you can’t shovel things with a hammer as it isn’t the tool for that job.
You my friend, are the embodiment of hypocrisy.
There is no good side here. Only an idiot would say otherwise.
Everything you’ve posted in this thread is bullshit.
I Hope you’ll realise that I was telling the truth. And hope that by the time, we still have an Israeli state.
This is a troll account I think
If being anti terrorist is trolling, than yes
You can’t genuinely think the Palestinian people are the ones doing that right? I refuse to believe you’re not just looking for random internet fights lmao
Im not doing any of that. All I’m about is giving the pro Palestine folks a reality check, that Hamas is a terrorist group and they are useful idiots to them. I’m concerned as any other of the lives of the innocent in Gaza, but I’m not blinded by pallywood
Idk what pallywood is friendo. You sound like a Q crazy person so imma disengage immediately.
Pallywood is a Palestine + Hollywood. It’s used for deceptive imagery used against Israel by Hamas and Hamas sympathetic groups
Oh yes, they have fallen for UN provided statistics https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
6400 Palestinians killed compared to 300 isrealis? Totally just knocking down hamas’s headquarters every time!
Not to argue one side or the other, but that data most definitely does not include this recent attack.
If the numbers being reported are to be believed, then the number of Israeli fatalities has doubled if not tripled overnight.
I am not a fan of Hamas, I just have to ask, wtf are the Palestinians supposed to do, and if you aren’t expecting an animal you’ve backed into a corner to attack, wtf is wrong with you?
Those statistics are a preamble of why Hamas did this. I’m not at any point saying that it’s a good thing, I’m saying that violence is literally the only tool Palestine has.
Palestine has been given plenty of chances. They just choose to reject any compromise that doesn’t involve the expulsion of the Jews from the Holy Land.
You know that the UN isn’t a reliable source on that topic ? The council for humanitarian affairs is literally full of anti semites.
And it’s near impossible to differentiate between civilians and terrorist
and who do you trust then?
I can tell you who I don’t
Amisty International UN Human Right Council Arab Media
Those three have a proven anti semitic background.
that wasnt my question.
But I still answered it. It’s just easier to name everyone I especially don’t trust, than Name the dozens I do.
Who do you trust then? Who’s reputable?
I bet they trust Times of Israel implicitly.
For those not in the know: Times of Israel is more anti-Palestinian than Ron DeSantis is anti-trans and almost as pro-Netanyahu as Trump is pro-Trump.
Disagreement with Israel doesn’t make one an “antisemite.” I think Israel needs to read “the boy who cried wolf.”
No but criticism of Israel because their a Jewish state, does.
Regarding Amnesty International https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-000932-ASW_EN.html
The UNHRC is notorious anti Israel and condemning everything they do but also according to them „isis did nothing wrong“
The UN actually down plays Palestinian casualties. Other sources estimate them much higher.
Go fuck yourself Settler
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Go fuck yourself Settler
Wow what a valuable contribution to the discussion. Piss off.
his username is jackmarxist lol you expect him to add value to the conversation
So you’d be cool with somebody bombing the building you live in as long as they gave you 3 hours notice?
Why wouldn’t I? There is nothing I can do to stop them, so I am happy with the fact, I got to get out in time
Yeah , the usual pro-israel talk.
I can show you countless evidence of Isreal doing worse several times in the past but people like you don’t care and never will.
Same goes for you, you won’t accept, that israel maybe isn’t as bad as it’s made to be
Your logical fallacy is tu quoque.
And who asked ?
I saw enough dead child, women and men from the Israeli strikes on schools , hospitals and homes. The horrible hunting screams of fathers and mothers after loosing their children. The empty stare of the sole surviving childs and the ones holding their toddler sibling near the rubbles of their destroyed home, standing not far from the decapitated body of their mother. I saw it happens many and many times before. The expression “it’s a complicated situation” being etched in my mind as I read the responses feeling helpless that the worst crimes can be tossed behind these words. It’s not about accepting Isreal it’s seeing the atrocities they’ve committed countless times before remaining unpunished, disgustingly cheered and applauded many times.
But It’s okey. Humans will destroy themselves sooner or later and these atrocities will forcefully stop.
The difference is, hamas attacks out of hatred towards Israel and Israel attacks to destroy outposts of a terror organisation. Hamas intentional uses hospitals and schools as an outpost to use as a propaganda tool.
I agree civilian casualties are always bad, but you have to accept that Hamas has the goal to maximise them, even on the Gaza side - otherwise they would loose support.
The claim That their freedom fighters are categorized by us and our friends as terrorists will never work on me. The Ukrainian resistance aren’t called terrorists, the french resistance during ww2 weren’t called terrorists. Hamas are like them freedom fighters and the atrocities they commit mirrors that of the aggressor. Among hamas are the sole children left after an Israeli strike, the crazed fathers that lost their families. They want freedom and they fight for it !
The Ukrainian resistance aren’t called terrorists, the french resistance during ww2 weren’t called terrorists.
That’s probably because neither of those groups exhibited the mediaeval barbarity against civilians Hamas has been celebrating.
Hamas are like them freedom fighters and the atrocities they commit mirrors that of the aggressor.
Hamas is explicitly calling for genocide. “The aggressor,” is not. Israel goes to great lengths to minimize civilian deaths, even notifying targets of incoming airstrikes before they hit.
If you think these actions are morally equivalent your moral compass is broken. One side is trying to defend themselves and the other side is trying to eradicate every member of their opponent’s society.
They want freedom and they fight for it !
Perhaps they should negotiate for it rather than continually provoking an enemy they cannot defeat militarily and hiding among civilians. That would prevent many needless civilian casualties.
Hamas has in their charter, calls for the extermination of the Israelites and rejection of peace settlements.
So yeah they’re terrorists.
France and Ukraine didn’t/don’t have the goal of exterminating all Germans/Russians.
There’s no world where Israel and Palestine peacefully coexist. And you can’t compromise or negotiate with someone whos official stance is “We want your race dead and will reject all peace deals”
Maybe if they stopped doing all the things that make them look awful we’d change our minds. But putting over 2 million people into an open air prison and constantly killing them and targeting children and even journalists and medics as they have? How could anyone think they aren’t bad, unless you just don’t care about any lives but Israeli lives.
Because they don’t do, what you just said.
Gaza isn’t a prison. Until the latest escalation, thousands would cross the boarder daily to go to/from work. Israel gave them humanitarian aid, gave them free healthcare l. Thousands of trucks crossed daily. Israel wants peace, that’s why they are normalising relations to the Saudis l, why they gave Sinai to Egypt. Hamas just wants Israel gone and constantly provokes them to keep the cycle of violence going
They would cross the border only if Israel let them with a work permit. They can’t even leave because they won’t be allowed back in, Palestinians have been stuck in camps for decades in other countries because of this.
If they won’t let you leave without permission, and won’t let you return if you flee them trying to kill you, how is this not a prison?
Shocker, you need a permit to cross the border between different jurisdictions
Both “sides” have human lives in the middle getting chewed up.
One of them also holds all the power to stop all of this
Also - A 3 hr notice before bombing civilian infrastructure! How quickly could you move out given 3 hours!?
Yeah, but they won’t. They have their stated goal of wanting to erase all Jews from this earth.
“They” meaning the civilians being killed?
Of course not. The Hamas Terrorists. You do want to spin everything into „Israel bad“ don’t you ?
No more than you want to spin everything as “Israel good”.
That is not their goal. Stop spreading misinformation and fake news.
I’m not, it’s their goal and they repeated it multiply times since their founding
The document found on Hamas’ document disagrees:
EDIT: looks like it’s down, but here’s another copy: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full To quote:
Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.The document you linked is from 1988, from when Hamas was first founded and was a fringe insignificant islamist group (which Israel admitted to have propped up and wanted to become the prominent Palestinian group) with minimal popular support. This was revised when Hamas underwent radical change, many members joined it from the former PLO, and Hamas became the sole group resisting apartheid.
which Israel admitted to have propped up and wanted to become the prominent Palestinian group
So, basically what Hillary did with Trump? Oh, that’s rich!
Here’s a quote from the same document:
The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.
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Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea.
Seems pretty clear to me.
Those quotes seem pretty good to me. I never said that Hamas wants only partial liberation. They want no part of the region to ruled by apartheid, and I support that as well.
I don’t know how well educated you are with the whole history on Israel and Palestine but if you do yourself a favour and do so. You’d understand they more or less wrote „we don’t hate Jews, but we think they are evil and want them noblere near us“. Wich is a common sentiment in the Arab world. Because as a fun fact. The mufti of Palestine was involved in the planning of the holocaust.
we think they are evil and want them noblere near us
This contradicts what figures of Palestinian resistance have repeatedly said. Even now that Israel successfully assassinated them or sabotaged these groups and propped up Hamas, it is still fact that most Palestinians choose to coexist with the Jewish people.
You are projecting Israel’s genocidal behavior onto Palestinians. Everything you say is what is Israel already doing, not Palestine.
The mufti of Palestine was involved in the planning of the holocaust.
Dude’s been dead almost 50 years. I have a feeling there’s a bit more going on here.
Israel wants to eradicate itself!?
They’ve admitted they are not doing warnings. They are also clearly bombing far more than known hamas sites, they’re leveling entire neighborhoods.
Stop trying so hard to defend killing civilians.
There’s mountains of evidence of Israel torturing or raping children, pregnant women, and elderly Palestinians. I am happy to show you some of that evidence.
The magnitude of the crimes committed by Israel is not even comparable. Israel has officials and generals who brag about raping Palestinians.
This is highly misleading. Hamas is not palestine and vice versa. What israel is fighting against is hamas, who are cowardly hiding behind civilians. The only reason the israeli can survive thousands of rocket launch from hamas over the years was because of their superior defence system. Hamas’ own rocket sometimes fell into their own territory, killing palestinian, but many people would just shut their eyes to this.
Israel is fighting against all of Palestine, not just Hamas.
who are cowardly hiding behind civilians
Israel won’t let civilians outside of Gaza. They want Hamas to be among civilians. Moreover, Israel brutalizes Palestinians who live inside Israeli borders, without Hamas troops present.
What israel did was, they gave warnings to civilians whenever they target any building but there’s no perfect system that can precisely hit the target and prevent casualities. Do you see hamas doing the same? They indiscriminately send rockets that would’ve surely hit israel civilians if not for the iron dome. So from there, we can see who the bad guy is.
What good does a warning do?
Hey, I’m about to obliterate your neighborhood in 12 hours. Get ready.
Gee thanks, don’t know what I would’ve done. Now I’m sure you’ll at least let me seek refuge in the territories you occupy, Israel, right? Right?!!
Hamas missiles target military installations, not civilians. Israel has the modern weaponry to only target the militants, whereas Hamas doesn’t. Yet Israel’s casualties have magnitudes more of civilians than Hamas, despite their imprecise weapons.
Hamas missiles target military installations, not civilians.
Hey, I agree with most of what you’re saying in this thread, but that seems disingenuous. First of all, Hamas seems to have developed a home-grown rocket manufacturing capability, undoubtedly with the support of the IRGC. While they probably hold some precision-guided munitions in reserve, they’ve yet to demonstrate that. So, at present, any reference to Hamas missiles is moot.
Moreover, Hamas has, in recent days, specifically targeted Israeli civilians. Setting aside any partisan reporting, there is overwhelming evidence that Hamas intentionally murdered hundreds of civilians. That being the case, your imprecation that
Hamas missiles target military installations
seems pretty disingenuous.
Is Bibi the good guy here? Of fucking course not. Aside from widely-reported ‘intelligence failures’, he’s on the record supporting Hamas, in order to prop up his own fascist regime. If anyone’s more guilty than Hamas, it’s fucking Netanyahu.
Hamas seems to have developed a home-grown rocket manufacturing capability
That exactly tells you why it’s so imprecise. Israel has weapons created by the world’s top rocket scientists and the most precise manufacturing facilities, and for Hamas it’s people who barely have couple hours of electricity per day putting something together in one of the most densely populated areas, full of rubble and destruction.
When I say they “target” military facilities, I mean that’s what they aim for. Not that they have the high military capabilities to never miss.
Moreover, Hamas has, in recent days, specifically targeted Israeli civilians
I don’t deny that there are individuals in Hamas who have targeted civilians or killed them needlessly. Hamas is a resistance militia and not a hive mind. Unfortunately, living your entire life in a concentration camp with limited food and electricity, watching families burning alive and buildings coming down may lead you to hate people who are rave dancing on the gates of your open air prison, or even the regular civilians. It is not rational, but it is bound to happen. And because of this, I blame Israel.
And I don’t blame Israel to absolve Hamas of blame. Hamas leadership is complicit in ignoring civilian killing, I do not deny this. But blaming Hamas will drive no significant change. The root cause of these issues is Israel. At the very least, the civilian killings are usually individual actions, and Hamas’ military campaigns target the military. Whereas for Israel, civilians are target, and Hamas is their tool to convince Israelis that bombing Gaza is good.
The difference is, hamas uses civilian buildings AS military buildings. They literally use their brethren as shields, so they can say “you can’t attack us or it’s a humanitarian crisis!”
Yes, bombing civilian buildings SUCKS, but we have to also at least acknowledge the wrongs of Hamas here, acknowledge how they’ve pretty much left no other options.
Their “warning” consists of shooting a smaller missile at the roof of a building a few minutes before the main missile. Obviously a great and super effective warning
What israel did was, they gave warnings to civilians whenever they target any building but there’s no perfect system that can precisely hit the target and prevent casualities.
“No Perfect System”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-gaza-area-bombed-after-warning-to-move
I think you are stretching. They don’t want civilians mixed in with hamas. The political damage it does to them is not insignificant. But there is no way they can tell which people are civilians to let out and which are civilians. Not saying they are the good guys either though.
They absolutely do. Their goal is ethnic cleansing. Every Israeli policy is about forcing Palestinians outside of Palestine. Why else are most Palestinians never allowed to come back if they leave, or given hell for it in the minority cases that they are?
You can absolutely verify a civilian. Are you kidding me?!! You guys will say anything to justify keeping people in a concentrstjon camp. I can’t believe the degree of heartlessness.
Are you implying that the goal, either directly or indirectly, of the entire Middle East outside of Israel ISN’T ethnic cleansing? I’m pretty sure the second Israel can’t or chooses not to stand against Hamas as strongly as they are, they’ll be targets of pretty much every other nation in the region. The world hates jews, particularly that region. Both sides are absolute disgraces to humanity, and I’m not willing to call a blatant act of terrorism on either side in ANY way justified.
Why lump Palestinians with what corrupt governments installed by the West (like Israel) hundreds if not thousands of kilometers away have done?
We already know how Palestinians treated Jewish migrations prior to Israel’s creation. When Europe was persecuring jews, Palestinians were teaching Jewish refugees how to farm (because in many parts of Europe, they weren’t allowed to).
But your “we have to massacre Palestinians, because what if we don’t, have you not considered they may massacre us too???!!”. This colonial mindset is nonsensical.
As you claim others will say anything, you do litterally that. You claim to know the minds and intentions of how many people? Are you a mind reader? Clairvoyant? And I doubt you have knowledge of even 1% of the Isreali policies, yet claim they all have one goal.
Do you even know you can support a side without spewing false BS. There are plenty of reasonable arguments, but you choose to sound like someone on fox news instead. You hurt your cause more then help it.I did not mean literally every written rule of Israel. I obviously do not have the bandwidth to read them all. But Israel’s policy against Palestinians is that. I’m sure you knew what I meant.
Hamas is the only defense line of Palestine, so militarily, Hamas has been Palestine for a very long time.
This reminds me of that movie where the bad guy takes a bunch of hostages as a human shield and the good guy just kills all of them so he can kill the bad guy. Wait… that never happens
Wait what? Are you seriously comparing this to a movie?
Nah I’m saying you have less moral understanding than most basic hollywood movies.
That movie was called Sri Lanka I believe
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