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This entire shitty ad model these companies have pushed onto the net needs to go. Seriously. Find a better way to monetize your world.
I think about this Jaron Lanier talk a lot.
This answer confuses me. The message on that pop up is “buy YouTube premium, so you won’t be stuck in our ad supported model” and now we’re ranting that they need to find another model to finance themselves? Isn’t YouTube premium exactly that?
What everyone else said but also they still collect and do whatever they want with your data even if you pay them. They purposely made everything more shitty and then charged to put it back to how it was originally. Also, they stayed free as long as they did to kill off the competition and it clearly worked. I just can’t ever justify giving them money. Especially with the double dip on my data.
They simultaneously introduced this ad blocker change and took away the $5 no-ads package.
This is a shakedown and it’s been happening across many streaming platforms for a while now.
But no, not like that. Clearly they need to find a way of materializing money from thin air.
Yeah! There needs to be a model that does neither cost nor inconveniences me. Everything else is unacceptable and corporate BS!
I’m sure they can take a page from every online service before we entered the 2020s, where you could pay to enter without ads, like Netflix was. But no, the ad company has to inject ads into everything.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOG/alphabet/gross-profit
Alphabet gross profit for the quarter ending June 30, 2023 was $42.688B, a 7.85% increase year-over-year.
Alphabet gross profit for the twelve months ending June 30, 2023 was $160.503B, a 1.7% increase year-over-year.
Alphabet annual gross profit for 2022 was $156.633B, a 6.77% increase from 2021.
Alphabet annual gross profit for 2021 was $146.698B, a 50.01% increase from 2020.
Alphabet annual gross profit for 2020 was $97.795B, a 8.71% increase from 2019.
“Guys they don’t have any money, they just gotta be privacy vampires and spam us with ads, they have no other means of funding it!”
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOG/alphabet/gross-profit
Alphabet gross profit for the quarter ending June 30, 2023 was $42.688B, a 7.85% increase year-over-year.
Alphabet gross profit for the twelve months ending June 30, 2023 was $160.503B, a 1.7% increase year-over-year.
Alphabet annual gross profit for 2022 was $156.633B, a 6.77% increase from 2021.
Alphabet annual gross profit for 2021 was $146.698B, a 50.01% increase from 2020.
Alphabet annual gross profit for 2020 was $97.795B, a 8.71% increase from 2019.
“Guys they don’t have any money, they just gotta be privacy vampires and spam us with ads, they have no other means of funding it!”
Maybe stop being a bootlicker for a company that used to be “Don’t be evil.”
I don’t mind ads as a concept. The issue is how invasive and numerous they’ve become. Get back to the days when ads were just banners around the actual content or an easily skippable video that plays before what I’m trying to watch and I’ll happily disable my ad blocker for you. Unfortunately hardly anyone does that anymore because they view it as a missed opportunity to make even more money.
I’m not against using ads to support websites but it’s the same basic concept as piracy. If you make the experience of playing by the rules so unbearable that it seems easier to go out of my way to break them then I probably will.
You’re right, but premium is too expensive. They make a pittance per ad view, but expect a user to pay $14/m to get rid of them? The math doesn’t math.
Paying to remove ads is part of the ad business model. Upset your customer enough until they give you money to make it stop. Once you pay to remove the ads you have rewarded them for implementing ads which lets them know that implementing ads was a great way at making money.
So YouTube premium is not another model. It is the same model. Another model is paying for a service that never had ads at all such as NebulaTV or CuriosityStream.
So “pay or you don’t get shit” is okay, but “pay or see ads, your choice” is bad somehow?
Somehow? Paying to remove ads is rewarding ads thus causing more ads in the world. It’s not mysterious at all.
There are plenty of ways to not make it an all or nothing service, but that is at least the most straight forward. You could potentially give some of it away and then have to pay for the rest. Or have some stuff for free and more premium content is paid for. Or perhaps based on bandwidth with video quality / resolution.
Anything that is not ads is going to be an improvement.
All those are fine suggestions, but a “free with ads” option isn’t that bad either; the real problem isn’t the ads themselves. The real problem is how intrusive the ads are, how many of them there are, as well as much information they (and YouTube) collect on you. Plus, in this case, the company in question isn’t exactly a small company who is financially struggling. It’s the classic capitalist problem of “infinite growth”, where your profits have to be constantly increasing.
But there’s nothing inherently wrong about the idea of having ads, just like there’s nothing inherently wrong about youtubers having sponsors.
That’s a fine opinion, but I happen to disagree.
Pay me a subscription or I’ll shit on your doorstep every morning. Don’t complain, there’s a choice.
It’s not pay or remove ads. It is pay to give us the money that we need to run our business or we will use ads to get that much money
It’s not even just the Internet. Marketing fucks up every aspect of our civilization. We can’t even handle having a professional election anymore without trashy ads and people acting like children. You can’t even watch legitimate news anymore. …nevermind mind whack kids pranking people on YouTube being used and turning into assholes for YouTube monetization.
Honestly I’m starting to wonder if the reason why we got ourselves into a ad filled hell hole is because we expect soo much to be free and those things have to make money somehow and server space and the electricity they run on aren’t free and the only people willing to spend money are whales and advertisers and from what I’ve been told YouTube was never profitable on it’s own for Google and the only reason they’ve been keeping the site on is because it brings attention to other Google services while also preventing competition so I greatly think we’d all benefit from being open to paying for sites that are like YouTube so YouTube and advertisers have some real competitors I don’t know how a my theoreticall site would profit without ads but it’s still sad that sites like YouTube are expensive and unprofitable making it so Google is the only option solely because they can afford the loses making yt premium even more greedy
No, because they add advertisements to services you pay for.
See: television, streaming services, fucking books even.
It’s just unregulated capitalism doing what unregulated capitalism does - gobble up as much revenue as possible, at the expense of everything else.
IF you want to get down the rabbit hole of expectations. I lose 34% off my pay. Like that. Poof. Taxes. I lose another 50% of what’s left to rent and groceries (not eating out). That doesn’t cover internet or utilities. Then transportation. And that’s just essentially living. My place isn’t all that.
And now you want me to pay for every website I visit. Or every service I use? Or I don’t use them and just go back to “essentially being alive.”
And I’m in the top 20% of income earners according to recent stats, which is insane because I’m not making fuck you money.
I think the real issue is greed. There’s no need for Disney+ to cost $20 a month. There’s no need for me to pony up another $1.5 a month to get 50GB of storage instead of the 5GB they know you’ll outgrow in a week. There’s zero need to pay $18 a month for a blue checkmark. They tell you it’s because it costs lots and lots of money to operate and the ads just barely cover our costs. Sure.
It’s just greed. It’s all just amoral, unethical, greed. Right on up from the rent/mortgage to all the shit you buy or “consume.”
We saw this surge with COVID, GME, crypto, NFT, absolutely wild, insidious, and morally bankrupt schemes exposing just how much wealth is pooled away from working class (they actually call them ‘dark pools’, where money goes and disappears). Something clicked. And it became a feeding frenzy where everyone is just steadily driving up prices, but not a single company is unprofitable. All the lay offs? None of those tech companies were in trouble. In fact, most made record profits!
Like charging a fee?
Make it possible to get Premium without YT music bolted on it.
Believe it or not Google: Some users don’t want it or already have a platform.I’m not paying them a penny either way, but if you’re going to, wouldn’t you want more features for your money, even if you don’t use them? Or are you suggesting they charge less for a subscription sans music?
They bundle them together because they want people to buy more. This is why the ad-free only tier disappears and it all costs more.
Less money and remove music
Aka Youtube Lite Edition.The bomb is, that Youtube wants for Lite Edition money and still serves “limited” ads.
lmao.
I’ve been around since YT red, and while Google Play Music was a better app, I am OK with YT music and primarily watch YT over the other sites and yt music is all I listen to in the house or car. So, while not cheap $22/mo for premium family fits my needs.
I’d be OK if yt allowed me to skip/blocked sponsored ads too. At least on PC sponsor block works well. For my TV its a few more hoops to get that there, which I haven’t done. Not terrible to ffw across them
Let the cat and mouse games begin!!! Thanks for the heads up though
Is the any way to add something like this to my pihole to block all this shit network wide?
Unfortunate, no.
Pihole, if i understand correctly, works by blocking DNS requests and YouTube ads are not DNS based the way ads usually are. You’re stuck blocking them by uBO on each device or use Invidious.
I just spun up my own invidious instance on docker today. I’m so mad that I haven’t done this sooner!
I’ve run pihole for years. It works really well. The only problem I’ve seen is when you actually need a tracking URL to work. For example clicking a link in your emails to download a ticket for a concert. You just need to be mindful that when the browser fails to open a link it’s because of the PiHole. There’s no nice screen telling you. You just need to pop it into the whitelist to allow it although on a phone I just used to go to mobile data temporarily, click the link and then go back on WiFi.
I recently switched to using NextDNS, as it means all my DNS queries are encrypted and I still get filtering when I’m away from home. I also have three kids to manage so it allows me to set timers on their devices to block certain traffic. Good for blocking adult sites too.
How long until youtube add an anti-anti-anti-adblocker?
Like a fuzzbuster. Radar detector detector detector
Who blocks the blocker?
I miss 3 days ago when the blockade was just some HTML
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Get your FreeTube subs set up and ready to go. https://freetubeapp.io/
The funny thing is I wouldn’t mind watching their ads if they weren’t annoying with them. If the ads were only at the start of a video, not during, and no still image banner at the bottom I have to click X on on desktop. I don’t want to actively dismiss anything while I’m watching the video, I want to relax and watch it.
They don’t allow me to sit and enjoy the videos without babysitting them to skip after the timer, so that’s why I block their ads with absolutely no compromise anymore.
Yeah. Nah.
I shouldn’t have to watch any ads on an already-profitable product. Accepting less is just me lowering my standards so people richer than me can be even richer.
It’s more than that. Would you devote 1-5% of your PC resources to others while you watch a video, if you could watch a video without ads? Yes. I bet so.
We are able to easily shoulder the burdens of hosting, yet Google wants to dominate us and force us to use their hosting at the psychological cost of being their sponge for anyone’s paid information campaign. YouTube in 2016 was non-stop Trump ads. Non fucking stop.
FUCK Google.
I totally agree. We need more peer-supported services.
No no we are not. How are we going to distribute all the videos. I don’t think you realize how much storage youtube takes up. Could we have something yes would it be as big and vast as youtube not even close. I mean we can’t even distribute a handful of reddits traffic without failing.
Storage is probably the easier aspect to address. Storage is cheap and decentralized storage systems have existed for decades.
The problem is bandwidth and latency. Most residential ISPs do not offer high bandwidth and low latency upstream connections, which means there’s no good way to serve the content you’re storing.
Residential fiber is becoming more common in some areas, but often those residential plans still limit upstream or specifically have terms in their acceptable use policy that forbid such activities. Here’s an example from my fiber provider, which couldn’t be clearer:
You may not use the Services to host any type of server.
It’s a little silly of course, because if you were playing a game and hosting, you’re probably hosting a server! But if I were serving videos to thousands of peers, I’m sure they would notice and take issue.
Huh that doesn’t make anysense? Youtube is profitable because of ads. It’s not like it has a secrete revenue source and the ads are just gravy on top.
Huh that doesn’t make anysense?
I mean, if you use your brain it makes perfect sense.
I don’t watch ads. Youtube is profitable. I shouldn’t have to watch ads on an already-profitable product.
Accepting less is just me lowering my standards so people richer than me can be even richer.
Might wanna brush up on that reading comprehension, lol.
They are profitable because they data mine the shit out of you. And now they want you to pay them so they can continue doing it.
How dare you try to bridle unbridled capitalism
Some of the sports streaming sites have done this too. Any ideas if this will work there ?
YouTube filtering is fairly unique to YouTube since they serve ads so aggressively so it’s unlikely to help on other sites.
J guess you need to adapt the code fot the page in question. If you read the code, it is setting some values to variables youtube checks for.
Anytime you all want to go back to making your own websites
Anytime
It’s pretty difficult nowadays to self-host websites when everyone and their nanny shares a single public IP address (IPv4 address exhaustion is real, everyone!) unless you purchase a hosting service.
Then purchase a hosting service. Off-shore VPSes are pretty cheap, and they take Bitcoin. Even fucking Paypal uses Bitcoin nowadays. Only hurdle in your way is you.
That’s pretty much just pushing the centralization from Google, AWS etc to the hosting services.
Then start building community ISPs that allow for individuals to have their own IPs again.
If you want to solve the problem, you have work to do.
Or you can sit around and complain like you’re trying to justify and defend doing, and live without access to ad free quality videos. Your choice.
Good luck getting a block of IP addresses from your regional internet registry for this community ISP… IP address exhaustion is just that, no more addresses. That’s why we are sharing them.
We do have a solution and it’s called IPv6, but its deployment is still not as widespread as people would like to be. If I self-host my website on IPv6, a lot of people from Europe would still be unable to access it.
Then start convincing people to use it.
The only one who is going to be hurt by you constantly making excuses is you. No matter what hurdles you face, you have to overcome them, even if you have to build your own separate network from scratch, or you’ll never be free from the yoke of corporations and more importantly for you, you’ll never be free of the blame.
Tell me you haven’t seen people adamantly defending IPv4 without telling me so…
DDNS
Before social media back in the 2000’s i know quite a few personal site using home servers using them. And (google google) apparently these days cloudflare offers the service.
No, you misunderstand. You’re thinking of DHCP. The parent poster is talking about CGNAT, where hundreds or thousands of customers of an ISP may share the same public-facing IPv4 address. It’s impossible to self-host anything in this scenario, there no way around it and DDNS won’t help you.
DDNS won’t save you from your ISP sticking your modem behind a cgnat and blocking critical ports. Which is not an uncommon scenario at all.
There are ways around it, but it’s still not very straightforward. Also often with some significant limitations.
as of now the 3rd code option works for me, first 2 didnt
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOG/alphabet/gross-profit
Alphabet gross profit for the quarter ending June 30, 2023 was $42.688B, a 7.85% increase year-over-year.
Alphabet gross profit for the twelve months ending June 30, 2023 was $160.503B, a 1.7% increase year-over-year.
Alphabet annual gross profit for 2022 was $156.633B, a 6.77% increase from 2021.
Alphabet annual gross profit for 2021 was $146.698B, a 50.01% increase from 2020.
Alphabet annual gross profit for 2020 was $97.795B, a 8.71% increase from 2019.
Huh, they seemingly have money to not fuck our eyes without lube for ads, but I guess they somehow just don’t have enough money, 156 billion dollars is really nothing after all. Probably more money in between my couch cushions. Such a small indie company that has to struggle to remain afloat, like an Etsy store.
How do you think they make that money? I mean yes it is an insane amount and do they need that much but they would still have ads.
Yes but does YouTube it’s self make money? There isn’t a reason to run a section of your company if it costs you money.
I am not justifying 17 ads in a 10 minute video, but no company keeps a product that doesn’t make money
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Prominent example is printer hardware and the ink. Hardware is sold at little mark-up or at a loss and then they force you to use their iteration of liquid gold. Printer ink is dirt cheap to manufacture and costs more than human blood.
There are lots of reasons that one area of your company may make less money. It’s like how the NYC subway or post office technically don’t “make money” but the value they bring to the whole system is a net positive by enabling all the other companies to make way more.
Government ≠ Private/Publically shared company.
Google couldn’t care less about what it brings if it doesnt make more money than it takes.Data aquisition for analysis, AI training, tracking and simply having monopolized a space. Theres a lot of positives and indirect profit that might make it feasible.
But does it “Good” for the public like say road improvement?
It does “Good” for the company by increasing the quality of the output of it’s AI/LLM, more data to track users etc.You just confirmed what I said…
True but data collection is still done and generates $$$
Think about gmail & Google docs
That’s why they want to run more ads.
There isn’t a reason to run a section of your company if it costs you money.
It’s funny that you say this, because Google intentionally ran YouTube without making any profit from it for many years. The goal (which they succeeded in) was to starve out any competition and establish YouTube as the online video monopoly. Ever since establishing that monopoly, they’ve been squeezing more and more money out of the platform knowing that social inertia will work against any would-be competitors (everything is on YouTube, all of the content creators are on YouTube, all of the viewers are on YouTube, so how does someone convince enough people to move to another platform?).
That’s how they’re able to pull this anti-adblock nonsense, in fact. If they hadn’t killed off all competitors, everyone would just be going to them.
Of course they don’t have enough money
The goal is (as always) to have all the money
BIG NUMBER MUST GO UP
MUST APPEASE THE GOD OF CAPITALISM AND THE ALMIGHTY SHAREHOLDERS!
This phenomenon is normally created by a bunch of mid level people without many stock options trying to get promotions. They need the big arrow to go up to get a good raise, be recognized, etc in their individual business units.
The people pushing things to go up are typically not motivated by the gross number as much as they are making their boss happy enough to pay them more. That’s why the change is all that matters.
Ah yes, Capitalism.
Just because a company is profitable it doesn’t mean they can’t ask users to pay for a service.
I don’t love Alphabet either, but in their shoes I’d block ad filters too. YouTube is spectacularly expensive to run.
Ok, I’m curious. Gonna do some math.
- YouTube makes $30B/yr in revenue.
- YouTube has 2.7B active users.
- This means that YouTube is making about $11.11/person/year.
- uBlockO has 10m active users.
- This means that uBlockO is costing YouTube $111m annually, or about 4% of their overall revenue.
I’ll admit, that number is bigger than I expected. But almost any other line item on their budget sheet would be bigger.
ETA: it’s worth noting that YouTube has estimated operating costs of $5B, so this isn’t coming anywhere near making them unprofitable.
Is that 10 million active users of uBlock Origin or 10 million active installs? Also relevant because I’ve seen workplaces that deploy UBO to all users thanks to advertising being an easy vector of getting users to click random links they shouldn’t
So I can’t find my original source for that one anymore, but I looked at the Chrome Web Store and addons.mozilla.org and they show a total of ≈17m (10mil on Chrome, 6.9mil on Firefox).
I don’t see a good active users number on uBlockO’s website or anything, and I also don’t have a good way of estimating how many of those installs are second or third browsers; but an enterprise install probably wouldn’t go through the extension storefronts and would instead be delivered directly via MDM. Whether that means they’d count toward the browsers’ totals, I’m not sure.
Still, it seems to me that the vagaries around this probably cancel each other out decently well; sure, some might be double-counted or enterprise installs, but the actual uBlockO users are probably more inclined to be power users, online more often than other users. I’d say that 4% is probably in the ballpark at least. Maybe it’s 1%, maybe it’s 6%, but I don’t think it’s terribly far off.
Alphabet
what does this mean? is it the stock market in general or google or is it tech co’s?
It’s Google’s parent company. Like meta to fb.
Fairly sure that Alphabet is google parent company
Can’t this just be a filter subscription or whatever in ublock origin?
I mean I’m pretty sure it is, I’m only using ublock and have no problems.
