Yeah, what will he or the Democrats do when Israel does occupy Gaza?
Continue to provide unequivocal support and money to Israel?
It’s not like they’ll do anything else like officially recognize Israel has been acting as a apartheid state causing mass human suffering which in turn grew more mass suffering and conflict.
Don’t you dare cross this line!
Ok don’t cross this line!!
Ok don’t cross THIS line!
Ok I’m going inside, if you knock, I’m not coming out.
I think it would be the ultimate show of force if the U.S. gives aid to Israel, tells Israel to not go any further, and when they do, the U.S. obliterates their military. “We helped you and you still lost.” I just wish the innocent wouldn’t get killed. The innocent and vulnerable are always the ones who suffer. Fuck war.
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I too love completely irrelevant whataboutisms.
You think Trump is bad?! Do you think a kindergartener, a sentient corn cob, and a clowder of housecats would do any better?
Only one of those has a chance of ending up in the white house.
It’s the corn, isn’t it?
Obama picked Biden for VP because he was a darling of the Israel lobby, who didn’t particularly like Obama. Anyone who’s satisfied by this sort of lip service from Biden were just looking for any reason to absolve the administration to serve a partisan political alignment.
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America is Israel’s bitch. They won’t do anything against Israel
I think there are at least two reasonable positions you could adopt that make more sense. Why don’t you try one on for size?
First, you could argue that Israel is part of a US proxy war against … I’m not sure who, but someone. In the distant past, it would have been the USSR. Maybe a war against Islam, depending who you’re talking about.
Second, you could argue that the US military industrial complex is happy for war anywhere, because it’s more money in their pockets, and they’re greedy.
Of course everything is more complicated, so who knows, but that’s a starting point for a framework that might help you understand the motives of people in power.
They’ve been occupying Gaza with their “settlements” for years. What will you do if they continue Mr. President?
The settlements are in the west bank not Gaza.
They do have “settlers” on the border of Gaza as an encroachment tactic. Technically illegal, but it’s assumed they’re sanctioned.
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I mean, the US does have access to the money and weapons faucet Israel relies on.
No word about the killing of civilians?
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The last thing the US wants to bring up in discussion is the killing of civilians, I imagine. We killed hundreds of thousands just in Iraq. (And that’s not counting the embargo we had against Saddam that starved a million people and gave rise to Al Qaeda either.)
I think that is exactly what we want to bring up from the US. We fucked up our response to 9/11. We have some perspective on pushing for restraint for Israel reacting to their 9/11. Even if we avoid moralizing on civilian life, we are least can talk about the cost of perpetual war and occupation.
We have some perspective on pushing for restraint for Israel reacting to their 9/11.
Is that perspective “go for it, it’s very profitable and a great excuse to do away with civil rights”?
No. There’s a lot of Americans that have shame and a strong desire to repeat those mistakes.
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Too late?
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Sure if you skew the definition of occupy enough, or can’t distinguish between Gaza and the West Bank, because all you know is propaganda.
Israel already controls every aspect of life in Gaza. They ration how much food and water they allow in, to keep them near starvation.
The ration how many weapons are smuggled in and how much aid Hamas can build rockets out of. Hamas rations out the starvation.
Why are you just making shit up?
Go look at a map of the UN borders. Then look at a map of where Israeli troops are
Now come back here and say that again with a straight face.
Okay I will. Israel pulled out of Gaza to let them have their independence and self govern, they elected a terrorist organization to run the place. Israel has not governed Gaza since then, nor has is occupied the territory. If you want to spread misinformation, at least pick something you know anything about.
Delusional.
Isreal doesn’t recognize Palestine as a state. They say they are in charge of it.
You can’t even tell the difference between West Bank and Gaza, just grouping them into Palestine. Seriously, go educate yourself before regurgitating propaganda.
Israel pulled out of Gaza to let them have their independence and self govern, they elected a terrorist organization to run the place. Israel has not governed Gaza since then, nor has is occupied the territory.
This is only true under a definition that is entirely biased towards Israel. Israel funded the elections in question, which were held over 18 years ago (long enough to where the average Palestinian *wasn’t even born yet much less had the right or ability to vote), and controls all food, water, supplies, utilities, and ingress/egress into the area. That is not “let[ting] them have their independence and self-govern”.
Israel literally controls everything. That’s how they cut water and electricity.
They don’t control it, they’re providing it free of charge.
No they’re not.
They stopped providing these services free of charge to the enemy when the war started.
Do you think we will hear back from them?
You’re not even in the conversation, what are you trying to contribute, more hate?
Doubt it.
Yeah! Occupying has been a US thing for the past half century!
OK buddy, where are you located. We just want to occu…ask you some questions.
Hey, at least America eventually leaves these days.
I don’t think Israel has any plans to unoccuppy Gaza.
I’m not scared, we have geese to defend ourselves!
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It appears that Israel possibly was aware the attack was going to happen and they allowed it. Regardless, Israel supports Hamas. They need Hamas so they can justify their murder and colonialism. I agree Hamas is bad, but the Zionists have done much more harm. Bibi should not be in office.
I would need much, much more solid proof for this conspiracy theory before believing it.
I don’t doubt Israel had some unspecified warnings, but I just think it’s much more likely that it was a mixture of a misguided belief that Hamas was more interested in political power than large scale terrorism, an assumption that any attack would just be “regular” rocket attacks like we’ve seen in the last years, incompetence of Israeli intelligence services, and an over confidence that the fence and Iron Dome would be enough to stop any attack.
Also, Israel doesn’t need Hamas. Just look at the West Bank where Hamas isn’t in power.
Agree though that Bibi shouldn’t be in power.
It’s a difficult thing to prove without a whistle blower fairly high up in Israeli intelligence. What does look very suspicious is one of the most advanced intelligence agencies in the world “missed it”, and it took one of the most well funded and constantly present in the area militaries 8 hours to respond.
Israel has had a major PR problem as more and more people view Palestinians as people who also deserve to be alive. Letting a terrorist group in that region attack undefended is a way for Israel to play the victim as they respond by taking more land homes and lives.
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https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
Do you know how to use search engines?
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That’s assuming it’s a mistake and not the desired outcome. They prop up terrorists, then get to use the excuse of countering terrorism to take over the rest of the territory and commit a genocide.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. You need to stop this naïveté and ignorance.
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This should be the least controversial take of all time.
You think Hamas won’t be in power unless majority of people supports it? They celebrated when Hamas murder those citizens.
That sounds like something a radical apocalyptic christofascist made up and told you on a talk radio show.
You think Hamas won’t be in power unless majority of people supports it?
Trump took power in the US even though the majority didn’t support him.
I’m a simple man. I think murder is always bad.
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Hamas is palestines means of fighting back at their oppressors. You can’t say they are separate entities, because without Hamas, Palestinians would all be dead by now. Its like saying “I support having meat, but not the killing of animals”. And why are you pro Israel? They want to do genocide. If the Israeli people are innocent of their countries crimes, they will overthrow the government.
A bunch of 20 year olds raving in the desert are not “the oppressors.”
You are just stating your opinion.
The real fascists are netanyahu and his ilk.
If the Israeli people are innocent of their countries crimes, they will overthrow the government.
It never, ever works that way. Seriously, name one time when a government was overthrown by its own citizens for committing atrocities against foreigners.
I didn’t say it was common, or easy. But that is the bar. Looking the other way on genocide is equivalent to doing it yourself.
I don’t believe in setting bars people are demonstrably unable to reach. You’re basically asking people to start a civil war to protect strangers they’ll never meet, knowing the outcome of such a war is far from certain. Even if you win, the damage to your country could be catastrophic, and the odds of ending up with new leaders who are at least as bad as the old ones are pretty high.
Yes, you should start a civil war to prevent your country doing genocide. Because the alternative is genocide. What exactly is complicated about this?
You’re not listening to what I’m saying.
Also, why are you on the internet and not out overthrowing a genocidal government right now? Shame on you!
I am listening to what you’re saying, you’re making excuses for Americans who don’t care enough to stop a genocide happening on their dime.
What do you think the most effective way is for an American to try to prevent this genocide? Your whataboutism isn’t wholly wrong, but I don’t know what I’m supposed to do beyond writing to my senators demanding that they kill the funding. So, what is your answer?
Without Hamas, Palestinians would have their own country lol
Hamas is literally the only reason they do not. Hamas only exists because Israel was finally close to talking Abbas into a two state solution, which he had previously always denied.
How do you not know this, at this point?
“Yeah sure, I will stop killing you and give you your own country, all you have to do is lay down all your weapons…”
Bro it’s been happening over and over for the last 30 years, with Islamists fighting the peace process: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_peace_process
Fact is, Israel is the only country actually trying to create the first ever Palestinian state, and that includes “Palestine”
You can debate opinions all you want but history is history.
Imagine unironically believing that. LMAO.
That’s literally the history.
You’re delusional.
Imagine being this fucking stupid that you think Israeli propaganda is true.
Ah yes the most famous Israeli propaganda of all, well-documented historical facts
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We’re back to the “beheading” propaganda again? What is your source for that?
Bro, listen to anything else besides Israeli propaganda. Most of what they say about Hamas is a flat out lie.
Genuine question… how is killing 1800 people protecting oneself against an attack that killed 1200 people? I would agree that Israel has a right to protect itself from terrorist attacks but I fail to see how killing more people protects anyone. If anything, it’s just instigating the terrorists to continue to try and kill more people.
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What does he have to gain, politically, by putting Israel on notice in this way? Nothing domestically nor geopolitically. He’s just going to be stuck holding the bag pointlessly when they retake that land.
Just to be clear I’m not weighing in on what I think should happen. I’m just saying unheeded commands erode authority (and credibility).
I’m not qualified to assert an appropriate outcome in all of this, but I think that state actors who punish and pawn civilians domestically and abroad are hellish and should be removed by their people. Everyone on every side of every border deserves comfort and security.
Congress is divided because of the Republican party and the invasion of Gaza is surprisingly unpopular. If this gets dragged out the republicans are gonna have another schism on their hands.
I’m glad to see that Bibi’s not gonna get away with this
“I think it’d be a big mistake,” Mr. Biden told “60 Minutes” on CBS in a conversation taped on Thursday and aired on Sunday night. “Look, what happened in Gaza, in my view, is Hamas and the extreme elements of Hamas don’t represent all the Palestinian people. And I think that it would be a mistake for Israel to occupy Gaza again.” But “taking out the extremists” there, he added, “is a necessary requirement.”
I’m not sure how anyone is taking this as a controversial take. Logistically, practically, and the urgent bloodthirst for revenge make this fucking hard to do. But this seems to me to be a pretty even keeled non polarizing take on a complex situation where there is justification for military action against a terrorist group, and that military action must be measured against the safety and needs of a civilian population.
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Not comparable. Israel is an ally, and needs our funding. Russia has been an advocacy or “enemy of my enemy” type more or less for a hundred years
It’s not an even take, because he has not proposed taking out the extremists in Israel.
Because Israel already occupies Gaza and other Palestinian areas.
Because Israel already occupies Gaza and other Palestinian areas.
Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, where the hell are you getting your information?
Israel still controls all traffic, imports, utilities, and ingress/egress from the area (if it didn’t, they wouldn’t have been able to cut off power, water, and aid). Israel “withdrawing from Gaza” doesn’t really mean much unless Gaza has elected representation and can sustain itself.
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It’s funny because your comment is literally meaningless. Which terrorist organization are you referring to? Hamas or Israel?
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False. There are 2. One has killed about 1400 people, the other has killed over 8000 in the last week alone.
Not gonna happen anyway, Gaza was already under occupation once, it was not a happy time to anybody concerned. The goal is the destruction of Hamas. If Fatah wants Gaza after that that’s their problem and they can have it.
I think it was possibly Vice that did a documentary on life in Gaza? This was during peacetime and it was fucking awful.
After decades of turning blind eye towards Israel’s crimes, suddenly Murica thinks it’s going too far.
Biden “And definitely don’t occupy 5 different countrys at the same time. Some of them for over 20 years. Come on man!”
*countries
Listen here, jack!
Chamberlain agrees. Willing to negotiate.
What does my garage door opener have to do with any of this?
I believe it’s a reference to Nazi appeaser Nevil Chamberlain.
Yes, and Chamberlain got his.
