I think women should maybe leave these places if they can. I wouldn’t even let a man think about having kids with me if I were a woman in any of those shit states.
those people are so incredibly brainwashed by conservatives, they will happily vote to their own detriment. but yay. fox news. free market. yay.
Minorities and vulnerable populations are in the best position to not be brainwashed. And if they leave those states hopefully they can go to a state that respects them as humans
Minorities in these places are typically facing poverty levels that most people in the US can’t imagine. How are they supposed to move when they can barely afford rent? As for the other women, the white women in these places genuinely don’t believe that these laws will affect them. There is this sense that they think that their adjacency to white men will prevent them from being treated the same as others, that somehow it will make them immune. They are getting a massive wakeup call that white men in power only care about other white men. It’s a tale as old as time. White women are and have always been our barrer to equality. Once things get bad enough for them they will jump on the side of minorities and equality again. They just don’t usually view themselves as one of us, they always think that this time will be different.
Yeah… I know. I just hope their lives can change for the better and they can exit these places. I just want people to have equal rights and be happy. It’s apparently asking a lot of religious old people, but fuck them
How? How are they supposed to leave? I lived in southern Louisiana and I was desperately poor then. Nobody I knew could afford to leave.
reminds me of an old sam kinison bit regarding people who live in deserts and then suffer droughts. but agreed… those most in need of relocation are least capable.
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The true detriment is a two party system. You are like a dog being thrown scraps by whichever party you vote for, and things are only getting worse while people continue to pick one side or the other and don’t overthrow the entire system they keep supporting.
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Perhaps it’s different in other places, but in my experience people do give a lot of shits. The system is just built against us in such a way that it’s almost impossible to either have any hope of changing anything or see any changes that do happen. A huge cause of that disparity is the party system with it’s incessant bickering and corrupt propaganda.
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I’m not really interested in arguing this kind of stuff and I don’t disagree with you that a lack of voter engagement is a problem. But, I would encourage you to try and understand exactly why it seems like people don’t give a shit about the state of politics.
I’d be willing to bet that it’s not actually a lack of giving a shit, just a feeling that our time is better spent on other things in life. Those 80 million people “sitting on the sidelines” aren’t complaining for the fun of it, they are busy trying to live their lives and deal with their own problems. People feel like the system is rigged, not because of some ambiguous statistics, but because every time they try to work with the system they get shit on and forgotten. How can it not feel rigged when the majority of the country votes for one president and gets a different one instead? Or how about when states, without ever asking its citizens, take away a persons right to choose what happens to their own body? How is a system with an archaic electoral college, gerrymandering, corrupt politicians, and a parties that only represents the top 1% not a rigged system?
It’s not that we don’t know that showing up in numbers is a good way to enact change, nor are we just sitting on our collective asses complaining and expecting things will just magically change. We just aren’t holding out hope that enough numbers will show up to make a dent in our lifetimes, or that the changes will even be ones that benefit us.
Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter are pretty recent examples of where “showing up in numbers” just wasn’t enough. The system is rigged and blaming victims isn’t getting us anywhere. Anecdotally throughout my life, I have seen uncountable numbers of people come to work/school/etc. with an “I voted” sticker, and my conspiracy theory is that the numbers are meaningless and the people who rigged the system already decide who is winning before the first vote is cast, unless they abandon the plan because their polling shows an absolute landslide that would reveal their fuckery.
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The majority party in this country is the party that doesn’t vote.
The second major party is the party that complains endlessly about “both sides”.
The third major party is the party that votes one way because that’s what they’ve been told to do their whole life.
The fourth major party is the one that actually does research and engages that’s being driven mad by the other three.
All revolutions have hurt poor people the most.
It also helped them the most.
By starving millions of them? Because that’s exactly what transpired during most of those revolutions. And the long term outcomes have not turned out to be better for poor people than the American revolution was. Show me the ideal communist state that resulted.
Revolutions often happen because of starvation. Not the other way around.
And I can tell you this… Billionaires and their conservative minions are making many of us extremely hungry.
Well they solved starvation by dramatically increasing it and then replaced old systems with new ones that have all those same old problems. So consider me unconvinced. I think we need to find a new way to change these systems that’s more resilient for the future
Lol sure. So why try and improve things? You’ll only make it worse. Enjoy the scraps.
Please show me where I said to do nothing. Why don’t you try imagining new ways of improving things rather than repeating the mistakes of the past? Of the revolutions in the 18th-20th centuries, I think only the American revolution accomplished anything close to what it was intending. And that’s because it didn’t destroy all the existing institutions while in the process of implementing new ones.
(Not that I agree with what the American revolution was intending, but we did get mostly what they set out to do without thousands of poor civilians starving to death in the process.)
The american revolution upheld slavery in America so yeah you’re not wrong.
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Our current institutions are the problem. Why should we keep them?
Our institutions are not the problem, our policies are the problem. I want to see a transition to UBI, but a dramatic overhaul that dismantled WIC and SNAP before we got UBI in place would be an unmitigated disaster for the very people we were intending to help.
It’s not the reform that I’m skeptical of. It’s the lust for revolutionary destruction as a path to reform that I’m skeptical of. It’s emotionally satisfying without regard to its actual efficacy in accomplishing the proposed reforms. Because history does not show us evidence that this works out well in the short nor the long run.
Unless these things in the US seriously changes, I will never step foot there. I used to want to see all of the beautiful landscapes, animals, and buildings. I really did. Now, not so much.
If I have a medical emergency, I don’t want to be somewhere where they’ll delay necessary life saving treatment to first check if there might be a fetus.
Nope. Tbh, that also kind of sounds very similar to the things that they get angry at other countries for doing to women.
…maybe leave these places if they can.
These laws are targeted towards poor women who can’t fight back. This one is making the news because she’s suing. I guarantee that if an attorney hasn’t taken up the fight, you’d never hear about it.
This seems like a good place for a charity… although the cost isn’t just a bus ticket but also probably temporary housing/income as well.
Shit. I just realized I’m suggesting a refugee agency for US states.
Less a refugee agency and more of an underground railroad considering some of the laws that states are passing.
Yeah it’s increasingly needed, the problem is that they want all this national
Sounds like a good idea
I completely agree with your statement. The issue with OPs statement is that it’s ideal for those with means but unrealistic for those without.
In some ways the opposite. When I left my shit tier flyover village I had nothing. Nothing was connecting me back home and there was no backup plan. It would be a lot more difficult for me to move now given all the roots I have put down.
What we think we control ends up controlling us. That mortgage that was supposed to make us free of landlords, that house we can’t sell, that car that we struggle to find parking for, that career we worked so hard on building. I am not advocating giving anything up I am pointing out you have absolute freedom when you have nothing to lose and can’t stay where you are.
You make a very good point.
If you are poor, wouldn’t it make more sense to be poor somewhere else? Starting over when you never had much would be my top priority rather than stay in these places.
With what money? You can’t just travel across the country for free lol. Getting to another state alone is a good chunk of money for gas a lot of the time. Then what? Sleep in their car? Alone? In a place completely bereft of any kind of support or familiarity?
Why can’t you travel the country for free? Or at least bus tickets are very cheap.
Yeah, you just don’t get it and I don’t know how to explain how difficult it would be to do that alone with nothing. I don’t know if it’s something that can be explained to someone that hasn’t struggled.
I’m literally speaking from experience. And I also don’t own a car because it’s a money sink. I left everything behind I couldn’t fit in a box and moved across my country because I figured if I was going to struggle anyway, it may as well be where the grass is green. And while I have left all my family support behind, I have actual social support. There is so much more to where you live than what you have.
Are you a dude? I’m not asking this to be argumentative I just need you to understand that it is extremely different when you have to worry about if you’ll be molested or worse when you sleep. I’m not saying it isn’t hard for men to strike out on their own at all. I’m also absolutely not saying that men don’t also get assaulted. I promise, I know it can be so difficult for anyone. Women have so many additional hurdles on top of that. I was homeless at 17 and the amount of people that “helped me out” but then expected sexual favors in return was fucking gross. No Kevin, you don’t get a blow job because you brought me some stale ass donuts from your convenience store job ffs 🙄
I’ve been there too and the fact that men can just sleep on a bus stop, out in the open, in relative safety automatically gives them a privilege we simply don’t have. Women’s shelters can be great if you can find one with space. Even then some of them are grossly religious and as stifling as the situations these women want to escape from. A woman got kicked out of one of the shelters I stayed in because she had condoms in her dresser drawer. I guessing men don’t get kicked out of anywhere because someone found out that they might be having sex.
Most Americans can’t afford a $500 emergency. Transplanting to a new state is off the table for a lot of people, especially women. If you have enough money to move, you probably also have enough money to take a weekend trip to get an abortion in a neighboring state.
Addicted to meth? That’s jail time. Wait, you’re a mother and you’re pregnant? That’s super jail time, 15 years for you. Have to fuck over your kids’ lives as much as possible. You also don’t get medical care and you have to give birth in a fungus-infested jail shower. Definitely ethical treatment under law here!
Caswell, who has faced several chemical endangerment charges over the years, is now in state prison, serving a 15-year sentence.
Not to take away from your comment but this woman clearly has major mental issues too. Why is she keep getting pregnant?
Because “sterilization in lieu of prison” is too “eugenics” to be allowed as an option from the justice system.
She needed someone to explain to her that semi-permanent birth control measures demonstrate “rehabilitation” and “low risk of recidivism” after (or preferably, before) her first charge.
Lack of healthcare
this woman clearly has major mental issues too.
Where did you read that? It’s literally nowhere in the article. Unless you have another source that states as much?
It’s right there in the article. She has issues. Still doesn’t deserve what she got but she definitely needs proper help
I just checked. The word “mental” is nowhere in that page or article. So where are you getting this from?
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Maybe, but saying “psychiatric medication” is a far cry from “serious mental issues”.
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There is a German proverb: Every people has the government it deserves.
Interesting proverb for Germans. I wonder how long it’s been around
Joseph Marie de Maistre
! 01.04.1753 Chambéry, Rhône-Alpes (Frankreich)
† 26.02.1821 Turin (Italien)
“Every nation has the government it deserves.”
Letter from 15.VIII.1811
I just checked and: Its actually from france, coming from an opponent of the revolution and is dated 1811.
oh so that’s why it’s a shitty quote, it’s for bootlickers
seems like a shitty quote. what made you think of it?
To lock her the drug addict to protect fetus is good. To deny mto-be-mother proper conditions and medical care equals to endangering the fetus thus responsible people should be judged as such as well.
I don’t think this to be religious question but rather legal question. Mother should sue the hell out of that prison and live from the half of the money ever after. But without drugs. Other half of the money should belong to the kid and used for kid’s education etc.
No, it’s not good at all. This leads to and has led to women being jailed for natural miscarriages or charged with endangering a fetus for taking prescribed medication or for eating everyday things like sushi and lunch meat. You may think I’m making a slippery slope argument. I’m not. This things have really happened. Women were charged with manslaughter for expressing a possibility of having an abortion, keeping the pregnancy, falling down the stairs, and having a miscarriage. The moment you criminalize a woman’s actions during pregnancy that relate to a fetus is the moment any action that could have any possible negative outcome is suspect. Suddenly women who have had miscarriages are all crime scenes unless proven otherwise. It’s not a slippery slope. Women have and are being jailed for having miscarriages.
Please read this my respond to some one else basically saying the same as you, It’s also in this tread.
That’s too logical. Even more logical would be putting money toward social reform programs, instead of blanketing everything under a prison system that does nothing to rehabilitate, and exists solely to punish
Surprised they didn’t throw more charges for “endangering her newborn” by giving birth in a jail shower.
Edit: I guess the prison system doesn’t exist “solely” to punish. It also exists to suppress any challenge to the status quo, extort money from vulnerable populations, and probably a whole list of other neat little “features”
Please read this> my respond to some one else, It’s also in this tread.
I wasn’t really disagreeing with you, just being a bit sarcastic saying your response is “too logical”. I’m in the US (which is where the article is from), and is why I mentioned needing better social reform… because our prison system is an atrocity. But I was honestly agreeing with you overall
Oh sorry for misunderstanding, my bad.
I agree, it’s a problem in the jail system, at least in this case or in general.
To lock her the drug addict to protect fetus is good
do you really think putting her in jail is going to prevent her from using?
Do you REALLY think that?
do you really think that’s a GOOD way, better than other options, to keep her sober?
Yeah i do. From where i come, if you leave drug addict on streets, they will continue their path of self-destruction regardless of their or others’ well-being.
So most effective solution is to isolate the drug addict from the source of addiction.That your prisons sucks at upholding basic human rights, it’s not my fault. It’s yours for not giving a damn about it.
There are places where prisoners get chance to work, own pet, study to become doctors, programmers and most importantly they get good healthcare as not everywhere around the globe people don’t give a damn about people behind bars.
Also Locking her up doesn’t inevitable mean in the prison. Again difference of my background i guess. There are specialized institutions that hold drug addicts and keeps them sober long enough to give them chance to get out of the habit. I know people who went through that. I’ve visited such a place. It might be a farm with animals or house kinda reminding of those for abused women (house with multiple affected who share their experiences and live together for limited time.
Your blinding rage just prevents you to see what’s really wrong and what should be fixed.
Okay first of all, there are drugs in prison. That is a fact. That’s what I was talking about and what you failed to acknowledge.
Second, I’m not the one blinded here. You are talking about “shoulds” and “ifs”. I am talking about the way things are NOW. You are advocating for sentencing her to one thing, and telling yourself it’s another.
The reality of HER situation NOW is that incarceration is going to make things worse. You can acknowledge this and advocate for a better outcome FOR HER while still championing reform of our systems.
Nah,
- I’m saying that locking her up to isolate her from drugs is better then letting her live on streets intoxicated from morning to evening. And I don’t even want to start what people desperate for the next dose do to get it.
Also those who wronged her are working in that prison.
And as last, don’t tell me you got no forced detox that is not in prison in Alabama - that’s where judge failed if your prison system is such anarchy and it’s supposed to be known fact.
You are quick to rage however you fail to see what part of the equation is not working. You would make situation worse just to prove yourself. That why you are blind.
Least brain rotted US government:
What?
What about the risk for the mother? Holy shit, she didn’t even have access to a basic maternity ward. America is fucked.
based on what I’ve seen and heard from conservatives women only exist to please men and incubate children, after that they “lose their intrinsic value” and should either be put in prison for ‘being crazy’ or made to raise children/cook/clean at risk of being made homeless (or worse) if they don’t comply
The mother? Conservatives view women as objects to be controlled and used. To them, she got put in her place. They view it as a good thing.
But over the next seven months of incarceration for “chemical endangerment” in the Etowah county detention center (ECDC), Caswell was denied regular access to prenatal visits, even as officials were aware her pregnancy was high-risk due to her hypertension and abnormal pap smears, according to a lawsuit filed on Friday against the county and the sheriff’s department. She was also denied her prescribed psychiatric medication and slept on a thin mat on the concrete floor of the detention center for her entire pregnancy.
It’s never been about protecting the fetus, it’s always been about punishing the woman for being a “slut”
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This case shows they’re doing precisely the opposite,” said Roth, who said the abuses Caswell endured were tantamount to “torture”.
No, it was full-blown torture. There’s no room for interpretation here.
Women across the country have increasingly been jailed for pregnancy outcomes, including miscarriages and stillbirths.
Geez. I don’t even know what to say. Miscarriages are way more common than people realize. In fact, it’s possible that miscarriages out number full-term pregnancies. There are so many NORMAL biological factors that could trigger a miscarriage.
It’s an incredibly complex and nuanced field of biology, and this simplistic mindset of “miscarriage means bad woman” is both disturbing and alarming.
I’ve read estimates that miscarriages make up as much as 75% of all pregnancies, but many are early so women just think their period was late.
Ya, I was going to mention that also, but I didn’t want to write too much in my comment.
Edit: I mean about the late period thing. It’s incredibly common.
Off topic but which country and what demographic ?
Earth and human.
The high rate comes from estimating the number of miscarriages that happen in the first 6 weeks, often before someone knows they are pregnant and the miscarriage is dismissed as a heavy or late period.
The traditional miscarriage stat comes from only looking at known pregnancies, and even it is likely higher than most people realize.
Regardless which stat you use, miscarriages are way more common than most people think.
I see so mothers of age 20-30yrs in Germany have same chance of miscarriage as 50-60 years olds North Korean mothers, that is 75%. Since evidently demographics doesn’t matter.
Now seriously, why i asked that: No source stated. Every age, country etc has this ratio different. Some countries have problem due to late pregnancies (35+yrs) due their culture. Other have trouble because of malnutrition. Some have better conditions.
So before i take number as fact and start to spread it as such, i want to know it’s a fact or at least narrow it down to the demographics and possibly the source.
Otherwise tomorrow there will be new expert say it’s actually 1% or 99% and according to this logic we would have to update our knowledge every-time.
You missed the whole point. We don’t have good statistics from miscarriages, because everyone counts the numbers differently, and when you add in the fact that some people don’t really realize they’ve had a miscarriage, you have a very nebulous stat.
The point is that certainly miscarriages are more common than most people think, and likely even more common than that.
My comment was not to prove that their stat was correct, but to explain why the stat varies so much. Your comment about demographics, although I’m sure it was meant innocently, can be taken as looking to blame a certain demographic for doing something wrong that causes their miscarriage numbers to be higher.
I have not disproved the part that say unknown percentage of miscarriages takes place. It’s logical.
However if someone places exact number, it should be based on aomething. If the number has no base, as such it has no value l, at least for me.
As for second part about hatespeech accusations.
I don’t see how statistics can blame someone for doing something wrong .
To me the logic is vise versa. If some demographic group is not doing so well or is doing very well. It will be reflected in statistics if measured. If given source stats can be compared and differences in measurement methods reduced or highlighted.
In their minds, women have one job. And if the baby dies, then the girl obviously did a bad job.
Yeah, but god and Jesus and stuff, let’s punish women because we believe in Bronze Age myths.
Actually, even in Bronze Age myths, life begins when the baby takes its first breath. If anyone wants, you can listen to an in-depth (and often very funny) discussion on Data Over Dogma’s “Abortion and the Bible” episode here.
This (and policies of not naming a child until it’s lived a certain length of time) are direct consequences of high rates of prenatal and neonatal mortality. That is, life begins at the first breath because otherwise you have to consider an outright crushing number of dead babies. And when you are arguing divine justice is a thing, that gets real hard real fast.
Absolutely. I’m sure high infant mortality rates had a huge influence on the parts of Hammurabi’s Code that got adapted into laws in the Bible. Until it could survive on its own, a fetus was basically the property of the would-be father (though so was the would-be mother, yuck), so they were obviously quite desensitized.
Sure, but we still need to punish women for having sex. (Genesis 38:24, Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 22:21, Leviticus 19:20, Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Leviticus 20:18)
Iron age. You can be dismissive but at least be accurate
The books are from the Iron Age, the myths are from the Bronze Age.
We had three before we brought my son to term.
Sorry to hear that. We were in a similar situation. It’s rough. My wife still breaks down emotionally on the projected delivery date of the first one we lost. All the what could have beens. 😭
I do think about it every so often, the only reason I don’t get as emotional is because I have terrible memory for remembering specific dates. Took me almost 10 years to get my wife’s birthday right. Still get it wrong sometimes.
A lot of miscarriages happen because something is wrong with the fetus. The “what might have been” would likely have been a lower quality of life than anyone deserves.
I’ve never heard of it, but now I’m disturbed and alarmed about the people who hold that opinion.
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blessed be the fruit
I support some common sense restrictions on abortion… I don’t think anyone should be able to just up and demand the death of what is arguably a human life without a good reason.
This is not that, hell it couldn’t be anymore obvious that the GOP doesn’t care about life or the safety of the child, they just want as many rules on the books as possible to let them punish “Enemies of the party”
So you’re a forced birther. Got it.
No I just am one of the people who don’t think it’s Misogynistic to have a problem with literal murder.
See, what you call “common sense” restrictions is just you sticking your nose in a woman’s reproductive business.
Mind your own business. Leave a woman’s health care up to a woman and her doctor. That’s common sense.
I don’t care what spin you put on it pal. No one should be allowed to kill a human being on a whim.
Now if there’s something medically wrong with the fetus or the pregnancy is too taxing to be safely brought to term, that’s different.
But the fact that you’re being upvoted and I’m being downvoted shows that the wackos from Reddit have finally discovered Lemmy
Wacko spin, eh? Thank you for so clearly identifying yourself as a reproductive authoritarian for all the women on Lemmy. If you think many women get an abortion “on a whim,” then you have bought into the right-wing propaganda.
BTW, saying that the decision to abort should be made between a woman and her doctor means that medical ethics becomes the guiding framework, as opposed to criminal law. The state has no business criminalizing reproductive health.
Canada has the best abortion law, which is to say it has no law on abortion. And yet, Canadian doctors are somehow not killing babies at 36 weeks “on a whim.” Hmmm, what could possibly explain that?
Gee-wiz, Cletus, maybe we don’t have to criminalize abortion in order to get “common sense” behavior.
Wow, strawman much?
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No, it shows that most people are reasonable and understand that a woman who decides for whatever reason that she isn’t ready for the commitment of parenthood, that is her business.
You know what’s better than murder? Safe Surrender Laws
Welcome to the consequences of your actions.
Actually I vote Democrat exclusively because I’m aware that the GOP are domestic terrorists acting on behalf of Russian Homophobes, nice try.
See while I think just letting ANYONE get an abortion is morally wrong and that the procedure should only be done in extreme cases, like rape, ectopic pregnancy, incest, major deformity, and the like, etc…
I also realize Republicans are the opposite extreme in that they want NO ABORTIONS AT ALL and aren’t big on the concept of gender equality.
So I vote Democrat despite the Abortion issue, as I realize neither party has a satisfactory answer to it, but the Democrat Answer causes less problems.
It’s called “Don’t let Perfect be the enemy of Good”
Do you think people (in particular, yourself) should be forced by state violence to donate their organs to someone who needs it to survive? Especially when the forced donation process involves significant risk to your own life and health (though i do not think that aspect particularly important for my own reasoning, personally .).
Because advocating for “”“reasonable”“” restrictions on abortion is advocating for forcing someone to act as, essentially, a breeding pod, forced to donate their body and organs.
I think Organ Donation should be an Opt Out rather than an Opt In.
Also Organ Donation isn’t done till after the person is dead, so your argument makes no sense.
Anyway, that aside, if you are in a position to save another person or prevent their death, and either don’t or even just expedite what was already going to happen… You’re a killer in my eyes.
So you think a corpse should have more morphological autonomy than a living person?
People can also organ donate while alive lol ;p
How many kidneys have you donated?
3
So you haven’t donated any, you’re trying to evade the question.
Anyway, that aside, if you are in a position to save another person or prevent their death, and either don’t or even just expedite what was already going to happen… You’re a killer in my eyes
That means, by your own logic, you’re a killer.
Jesus masturbates to this
Current republicans, probably
I’ve said it before and I will say it again. This is democracy in action. Her community and loved ones want their society to be that way. If that’s what they want, well, it sure doesn’t affect me.
Keep saying it everywhere, sooner or later someone with a less closed mind than yours and with a bad day will hear it and will have no choice but to beat the shit out of you.
It affects you if you’re a baby just being born. What even is this take, world immature cup?
Alabamans want their society to be this fucked up. I’m happy they are allowed to do this to themselves. “never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake” and what not.
How are babies just being born your opponent???
Do they intimidate you with their brain power?
You have to be brain dead to think there’s democracy in the US. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, two senators per state, the electoral college… Wake up.
I used to live in Alabama. This is a version of what they want. But I also agree with the chump who said “it doesn’t affect me”. Because that’s what allowed all the atrocities of history to happen. Sometimes you have to stop evil people from being evil.
I hear you. But looking around, the ratio of fools to wise people in government looks proportional to the population at large. Have you considered that direct democracy would just be the 4chan version of government?
And I’m only half kidding. Egalitarian political movements, even before Marx, have found “the people” to be much less noble and wise than anticipated. I believe this is a partial explanation for the revolution to authoritarian pipeline problem. Be it Bolivar, Lenin, or Castro, what do you do if the people vote for the old system, even when it’s contrary to their interests? Well, the historical answer seems to be: force them bitches to be free.
This statement doesn’t make sense to me. Can you explain?
Alabamans want their society to be this fucked up. I’m happy they are allowed to do this to themselves. “never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake” and what not.
Toss ALL jail employees of the past 7 months in jail for torture, and toss the jailers.for that birth night in jaolmfor torture, and attempted murder of mother and child. I’m heavily against the death penalty but I’d make an exception for these religious fuckers.
If they believe they’re right about it all, they also believe they’ll live eternally in happiness when they die. They should welcome it.
How anyone could vote for any republican is beyond reason. On top of being worthless traitor filth, they actively oppress women and endanger our future generations. Simply unfathomable.
A sizable number of them are simply glad about articles like this. It’s not about protecting children or anything. It’s about punishing women. I think a lot of GOP supporters don’t even explicitly think “I want to punish women”, but they implicitly enjoy when it happens. It’s more about imposing their religious beliefs than about anyone’s life or the likes.
And another sizable chunk are just apathetic. They’ll be willing to ignore stuff like this because it’s worth it in their mind to hurt LGBT people or whichever other GOP policy drives them. They’ll tell themselves this is just a tragic accident in their quest for the greater good, never viewing this as an entirely foreseeable consequence or even the outright goal.
Must own the libs!
And that’s why we don’t punish that shit with jail time.
