On the side bar it lists the following:
- [Matrix/Element]Dead
- Discord
“Discord” is an active link, but the Matrix link is completely inactive. Not only is it inactive (which could have be excused as a broken link), but it is also manually labeled as “Dead”, as if there is no intention of making it work. How can a community that is focused on privacy willingly favor a service that is privacy non-respecting when a perfectly functional privacy-respecting alternative exists?
Same reason why people use Google products when they could use something else (and note very often that they can’t): it’s more convenient because Google products are better. Because Google has the clout to make them better and bury the competition even more. which is the very definition of monopolistic anti-competitiveness.
Element is garbage in my experience. It’s just not very user friendly, it’s slow, it’s bloated (and no wonder, it’s a React application) and it’s not very stable on the desktop. I tried my best to like it but I just can’t: it’s awful. And unfortunately, as far as I can tell, that’s the best Matrix client out there.
I’m sure the Element people are trying their hardest and I don’t fault them. But I’m pretty sure they don’t have the resources to make it better, unlike Discord. So people staying on Discord is a self-perpetuating prophecy, until someone commits the resources to make Matrix an easy, fast and attractive proposition.
I use element for work and don’t have many complaints. I miss the gifs because I’m a dork but don’t find it bloated, garbage, or unstable. I have more complaints about discord to be honest.
Well maybe not that unstable if I’m honest. But super, SUPER slow to sync up for sure. As for bloated, I suggest you check its memory usage: it’s quite obscene for what is essentially just a chat client.
You sound like you haven’t used matrix in a while. I use it daily. It isn’t super slow to sync.
When leading a chunk of the privacy community you could really use cryptpad (for online documents) and such alternatives.
Good alternatives do exist, and they’re perfectly fine. Unless huge rounded corners and empty spaces on the UI are a requirement, though…In some cases it’s fine, though, like youtube has pretty good proxy services (for now…) that are basically effortless to use for viewing videos. Until a usable alternative emerges.
About Element: yes it’s garbage because the backend’s API design was… not good. End of the year they are finalizing an API that works much better, and let’s clients not to waste resources. There’s a new element app for android that takes advantage of it, and I can tell from experience, it’s usable now even on a throttled mobile connection when you have not opened it in a long time (weeks). They will also fix the web client.
Omg fuck discord so much
I don’t understand why it’s so popular… It’s a fancy IRC that’s centralized by a single company
If you legitimately don’t understand why it’s popular, you are seriously out of touch.
I use it because some of my favorite games for the Nintendo DS that has Wiimmfi support use it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Too hard to regrow the, already tiny user base in those cases.
Just got whiplash from hearing Wiimmfi outside the mkwii community
Yeah, seems like it is only for MK for Wii, as it shows in the always decent active users count, but it supports many games, and I use it mainly for Metroid Prime Hunters and Jump Ultimate Stars.
Every time I see Slack/Discord et Al. described as such, I wonder if any of these people actually used any of those. By use, I mean actually try out its features, not just treating it as IRC (“just” channels, messages and DMs for text convos).
I hate Discord with a passion, but pretending like it’s just “fancy IRC” is IMHO pretty absurd.
Because none of the FOSS platforms have good moderation controls. This is why any sane person runs to adopt Big Tech platforms. Lemmy has same issues. Lemmy is only working because a few of us zealots are able to handle the small number of people on this platform. If it grows too much, many moderators will run away faster than Usain Bolt.
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It’s the emojis for me tbh. I’m not sorry
fancy IRC
IRC was already “caveman playing with sticks and pebbles” a decade before discord became a thing. It’s really not a good point of comparison and questioning.
Discord became popular for one simple reason: anyone could make a server, share it with a crossplatform link, and others could then try out that link without installing anything. In other words, it became popular because it literally copied Slack and because the Skype era was atrociously bad customization and ease of use-wise compared to the preceding.
- Better moderation tools
- Easier to do voice/video channels
- Easy to create your own server
- Huge amount of useful bots created by the community
- Features like replies, threads, onboarding screens, and custom emotes
Don’t get me wrong, I wish that we could use a FOSS platform instead of Discord, but 1: people are already using Discord and it’s hard to get everyone to switch platform, and 2: there is no comparable alternative right now
I think most of those points you said aren’t the reason, there are many ways to manage stuff on platforms more private that has also all of those points you said (Matrix has all of them), and I think the only reason they use discord is that they can show “gaming now”, put a GIF as a user picture and things like this. If for you Discord is easy to use it’s because you have been using it already, for me, it’s confusing.
I think most of those points you said aren’t the reason
But they are
They are, precisely. Mod tools is the #1 complaint for any FOSS platform, with everything else after it.
Mod tools or tools like play music on an audio room? Because seems like it’s more about features like this than moderation tools (or that’s my feeling).
Matrix has moderation tools (https://matrix.org/docs/communities/moderation/), but the bot needs to be hosted by yourself, or you need to pay. So from the 5 points @rbits@lemm.ee has written, I only agree with “Huge amount of useful bots created by the community” as discord is the most used.
Discord is not just about the community bot culture. The moderation tools there are hassle-free and people can be segregated into as many channels they can access, or who can be muted and unmuted during a hybrid audio-screenshare group chat session, and so on. Its very granular and easy even for basic level social media users.
Dude, Matrix mod tools are pretty much universally complained about, and I say that as a person who uses Matrix as a mod.
Because it has significantly more features than IRC and it’s dead simple to spin up your own “server” where you aren’t beholden much to “admins” or whatever.
I’ve used the Discord bridge before; it works pretty well, and allows Matrix users to practice better (identity & tracking) privacy if they want. There is none, in Discord.
It does require (a) the Discord community admin to allow the bridge, and (b) some playing with configuration of the bridge to get banning working.
The biggest issue with Matrix is how privacy-respecting it is. Any public forum with anonymous account creation is subject to spam bots, and requires more work by admins. The biggest complaint about the bridge, and why so many Discord admins do not allow it, is because it greatly increases the spam they have to deal with. Kicking and blocking do work fine through the bridge, but it’s still a distraction requiring constant vigilance.
Matrix needs better admin tools (where have we heard that before?) Mjolnir is good, but the freely hosted instance was shut down a year or so ago, so it’s not available to casual users. And taking on running a service just for a community bridge is a silly requirement.
My points are, that it’s not an either-or, but that it requires work. It’s a question of commitment, not possibility. c/privacy could have a Matrix-first, privacy-friendly approach and still offer Discord for privacy casuals; it’s just harder.
Some shocking answers here 🤷♂️
“discussing privacy on discord” that should be a joke anyways i created privacy@conference.jabbers.one so join if you want
Discord is just the preferred platform for that sort of group-based text comms. It’s better both in a technical sense (more feature-rich and more reliable), and a UX sense, for a majority of users. It’s also free to set up a server, which gives it a huge boost to usability. Matrix has a long way to go if they want to compete.
This is total bullshit. You should start at the fact that Discord is owned by a chinese company. Then discuss everything else. To me Discord looks and acts like a spoiled child: too many things going on, too many flashy stuff, too manny obnoxious “features”.
You should start at the fact that Discord is owned by a chinese company.
Discord Inc is a privately-owned American company. If you’re referring to Tencent, they are investors, and not owners. And they’re only one of several foreign investors. As for ownership, two dudes share majority ownership of the company.
Then discuss everything else.
Maybe you should do ten seconds of Googling before discussing anything.
It’s not free to set up a server on discord. It’s not possible at all.
I know what you actually mean, the word server means that the mods and admins have control over it and they have control over how data stored on the server gets used. The discord definition is misleading in this regard.
On discord, neither of these are true: if the admin’s account is banned (or “suspended” until a phone number is given) they don’t have any control anymore, and regardless of this they don’t have any control over how the data is used (which includes private date like messages of users, how much and when are they online, etc).Yes, I’m using Discord’s terminology for a discussion about Discord. What they call a “server” is not actually a server, but that’s the term they went with.
I could’ve used the Discord dev term “guild”, since that’s how “servers” are referred to internally and in the code, but I don’t think as many people would understand what I meant by that.
Yes, I’m using Discord’s terminology for a discussion about Discord.
A terminology that is (designed to be) very misleading.
I know I’m just a random internet stranger, but please, don’t use the “server” name for discord communities.
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People who dislike discord and want a good alternative besides matrix should check out revolt.chat <3
It’s the timeless debate between accessibility and exclusivity. Do you want more people in your community by compromising some values? Or would you rather be a hardliner but never reach those people?
Most of the time you have to pick somewhere on that spectrum. It’s a question of pragmatism and utilitarianism.
Does it do more good for lots of people to be slightly more privacy-aware, or is it better to have a very small portion of the population that are super privacy-aware?
You have to decide, and the debate rages on all the time.
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The issue becomes moderation at that point, not a big problem for a larger community, but small communities tend to struggle with moderation with just one hub of communications.
Also, the hardliners wouldn’t be interested in co-existing, that’s against their ethics generally.
You also split your intended audience and every discussion. It’s one of the big issues with Lemmy and federation right now. People create multiple copies of the same community across different servers.
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In addition to adoption, it takes time for the usability to catch up.
Right now Signal is just as good (IMO better) as Messenger usability wise, but that wasn’t always there.
Matrix needs some time to iron out those issues
I agree to an extent, but usability is not a sufficient condition for mass adoption. I think Lemmy for end users is just as usable as Reddit was, at least for me it is. But people don’t want to leave their communities.
That’s why personally I have a Discord still. There are too many communities I am an active part of on there to abandon Discord outright. Plus all of my friends and family are on there, and I’ve already approached some them about switching and they all have said the same thing I just did.
I wasn’t ever super invested in Reddit, so it was easy for me to abandon it for Lemmy, and I vastly prefer the communities here. Discord though is a different story for now, unfortunately.
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How is this more accessible? Have you read the installation instructions? How would someone that has no IT background even manage to configure this? Even just grabbing a binary from the releases page is complicated for a lot of people.
I want a nicely bridget matrix - discord channel, so that the individuals of the community can choose themselves
Are you able to at least bridge you matrix to the discord? You should, at the very least, be able to do that while also promoting matrix.
Yes there are bridge bots. But discord breaks them, and bands their accounts. Sometimes
Thanks!
The irony of this is that instead of dealing with a sketchy privacy policy(/ies) with Matrix versus a terrible privacy policy with Discord, bridging gives you the worst of both worlds, and all user data is open wide to total violation by the worst of both policies combined.
Oh shit. I did not realize that.
Ehh not really; at least if you care about your own anonymity. Sure the communication is as private as the weakest link (or less because now you have to trust the bot relaying it, too), but nobody from Discord would be able to easily look up your identity.
I guess it depends what you mean by your identity. I would totally buy the idea that Discord identifies you in some nearly personal capacity, because they seem to either want your IP address or a phone number to verify you as an individual. But I would say that having all your messages up on their servers is approximately just as bad. And obviously, Matrix bridges can’t encrypt your messages so they’re sitting on at least one Matrix server with similar access to your identity…
If you compromise on the very topic you’re promoting, you don’t care enough.
Wait, really? So you think Matrix is the ultimate form of secure and private “chat” communities? Because if it is not then it is a compromise.
This Lemmy instance for sure as hell is not the most private and secure.
They said a “big” compromise? Why did you skip over their qualifier? Are all compromises equal?
Where did they say that?
I dunno. The comment doesn’t have the word in it now; that’s why #1981 is important. But, maybe they didn’t and I imagined it.
It remains true that not all compromises are equal, and the privacy compromises we make for Discord are relatively large compared to the ones for Matrix.
There is an “edited” indicator for posts, and the post you’re referring to doesn’t have it.
Sure, your point is true, but you were (incorrectly) accusing the other commenter of skipping a qualifier that would make your point relevant.
You’re right; Voyager doesn’t show the “edited” flag.
I was mistaken about the word, and the accusation about skipping over it was unwarrented.
I think this is missing the point by arguing semantics, but my phrasing was wrong.
It’s a lot better than discord, that’s for sure
That depends on your threat model. All lemmy posts are publicly visible and can be scooped up by Farcebook, google et al. Discord is very definitely not properly private but all posts aren’t public. They are undoubtedly doing the same thing FB does and selling a semi anonymised set of meta data about you, but the world doesn’t have direct visibility
I know the three letter acronyms have access to everything I do, hidden or not, I don’t like it but I don’t see anyway around it.
I can however do my level best to keep FB, google, M$ out of my stuff to some extent
Never used it but I can imagine it being better. Discord is annoying as hell. Point was that the commenter seemed to argue that you should not accept any compromises, which seems silly to me.
I agree with you. I don’t understand why people are arguing that something less developed or stable is a valid reason to use something like discord, a widely anti privacy focused platform; to discuss privacy related topics.
You can argue that it’s more stable but the cost is shepherding users into a platform they might think is secure by promoting it. In my opinion that’s worse because it lulls uneducated users into a false sense of security by having the community use and engage with each other there. The implication alone might cause some people not to second guess it since it’s supported by the community and that’s a problem for me personally.
We all compromise somewhere, it’s just a question of where the line is. Even Richard Stallman makes concessions for things like Firmware and hardware being closed source.
Isn’t Lemmy itself a big compromise?
The people that need a topic to be promoted are the people outside of the topic. A place where privacy and non privacy focused individuals can meet is needed to atract and teach new users.
Yeah! If you’re teaching elementary school and not at the Doctorate level, it means you don’t care about education!
/sNot compromising at all would be not using the internet though. Probably live in a cottage somewhere in the middle of nowhere too.
Because conversations about increasing privacy doesn’t need to be private. It’s usually about learning about other tools and that they exist.
This only makes sense if discord is a common entry point into the community which seems unlikely to me
It probably isn’t, but it’s probably a good place to get a quick answer about something.
This is true; if it weren’t true, nobody would be on this publicly accessible website making publicly accessible comments
Lazyness and convenience, as always.
Wanna go crazy? Use SimpleXchat
why
SimpleX is great, better than all P2P messengers
why
Unlike P2P, messenges are sent over easily replacable relay servers so both parties don’t have to be online at the same time to exchange messenges.
SimpleX is special because it is the only messenger that has no permanent user identifiers whatsoever. Not even a randomly generated string of characters and numbers. This implies a LOT more privacy and security, especially for metadata-protection.
The server of Signal for example can’t read your messages, but they know who sent how many messages at what time to which people. They know your entire graph of social connections. SimpleX does not.
Here’s a comparison with other messengers: https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat/blob/stable/docs/SIMPLEX.md#comparison-with-other-protocols
It’s decentralized, which therefore makes it harder than even Session.
It tries its best to be user friendly tho, that’s a main concern of the dev. You should hear him talk in the main support group, he’s really good.
You can also connect to the dev directly to express any concerns or ask questions. He will actually listen to you and shift his focus if multiple people tell him the same thing.
However, the software is only a few years old (much younger than all the other established messengers) and may not be ready for public use yet, but surely in the future.
I’m interested in the day it hits the Linux Desktop, but being even on iOS is crazy imo.
A cross-platform desktop client recently got released. Synchronization with the mobile app is not yet supported tho.
That’s interesting. How do you connect to people you know then if there is no identity? Sounds a stupid question but I don’t get it. You send a link? A qr? Or a temporary id like I’m Mike999 for the next 30 minutes and you tell your friend?
Finally something that sounds like speaking to someone in real life without eavesdropping. How it should be.
Yes, to first connect to someone you share a qr code with them or send them a link. The medium in which you share the link does not have to be secure, it is only to make the first connection between the two of you.
Here’s a high-level overview explaining how it is possible that there are no user identifiers. Basically, with each contact you agree on different servers which relay your messages. You get separate communication tunnels for every contact. And these tunnels can be replaced by other tunnels at any time.
Thank you
You’re welcome.
Here is your answer, and it was asked 3 months ago. This includes all the context surrounding it, and why there has been no Matrix chatroom ever since. Linking for relevance, same content is below. https://lemmy.ml/comment/1632728
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(JUNE 2022) LEMMY RCMP THREAT FIASCO REVISIT
There was a recent incident from late April 2023 (a month ago) where Daniel Micay claimed he has faced a swatting attempt (attempt to raid house and murder), and a certain CP and gore spammer flooded GrapheneOS chatrooms with this type of nasty troll content, but in one month, he has NOT provided any evidence. Moreover, he claimed Royal Canadian Metropolitan Police (RCMP) is investigating this matter, and then proceeded to lockdown the GrapheneOS Off-Topic Matrix chatroom (place of claimed incident) for sometime.
Micay’s claims are still unproven two months later. Moreover, his accusations against and harassment of Louis Rossmann sparked a lot of anger among the non delusional people that left behind and condemned GrapheneOS after this.
This faux threatening using Canadian police’s credentials reminded me of a very similar incident that I faced at Lemmy from two moderators (akc3n from GrapheneOS and dngray from PrivacyGuides) on behalf of Micay. I am the moderator of c/privacy at Lemmy, and this was their failed attempt at trying to rage bait me into reacting hastily, causing administration to revoke my moderation powers, so that GrapheneOS trolls could make Lemmy their next place of habitat, something I protect Lemmy from.
During this incident, due to the chaos that the tag team of GrapheneOS and PrivacyGuides (remember they still have shared moderator after Tommy?) caused, one Lemmy administrator warned me, because they got scared about the name of police being involved. Tommy_Tran/Privsec_dev proceeded to get me banned from Lemmy c/privacy’s Matrix chatroom by tag teaming with dngray (PrivacyGuides moderator) to bait the moderator of that Matrix chatroom in believing I was the troll. Tommy took over soon enough and changed the room into some Windows/GrapheneOS Security crap, and later the moderator of Matrix chatroom itself moved off of Lemmy.ml (Lemmy’s main instance) onto Lemmy.ca (coincidentally a Canadian instance). I do not know if these Canadians are friends or just fellow countrymen, but what they did was insanely evil. (Instances are like separate websites that can still operate like they are the same forum/website.)
Screenshot of c/privacy Matrix room takeover and trolling behind my back, knowing what they have pulled off: https://i.imgur.com/PoTiANo.jpg
Want to know who the person who pulled it off, is? https://lemmy.ml/u/Yayannick, still a moderator of this sublemmy, right now, who mains lemmy.ca and has been inactive here since the past year. His real ID is https://lemmy.ca/u/Kokomheart, and this is the untold story of how lemmy.ca was built atop of leeching off of lemmy.ml, the main instance.
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Lemmy.one instance is PrivacyGuides’ instance today, in case anyone wants to stay away from it. The same thieves that stole PrivacyToolsIO’s $17,500 donations, and went unchecked.
Why is it always graphene os drama.
Also are you really expecting evidence for a cp/gore flood, like wtf? Not only are you asking for people to screen cap that (like they even have anything to prove), but you only have to be in there a few days to actually see it happen.
Evidence for gore, unlike CP, can be provided to independent and critical folks like us. The real lie was only a fellow mod of GrapheneOS offtopic Matrix chat was “verified source” as evidence for such content being posted there. Micay claims to be autist and uses it as excuse to harm or accuse people of horrible things, and never apologising to anyone.
The internet has a very simple rule, for any mature person that has used this technology for a long time - EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE. Now while you would say, CP can be an occasional and legitimate occurrence in underground and private chatrooms, the reason why this demand exists is because Daniel Micay has lied over dozens of times about various people and groups, calling me a “paid agent sent by Chinese govt to destroy privacy community”, Techlore and CalyxOS evil people, developers of Bromite and Florisboard “neo-nazis” without evidence, Louis Rossmann being “complicit” in a (never proved) attempt to swat him, and so on.
Here is a very good reddit post by a long term user that documents Micay’s instances of accusations with no evidence. https://old.reddit.com/user/lo________________ol/comments/1314x2x/why_did_i_do_this/
Literally who gives a fuck
I have seen this “political/drama” bullshit cloaking of legit issues for years on Reddit. People who hate Firefox for “woke politics” and use Brave to enable homophobia engage in same crap. Not going to let this Reddit behaviour repeat on Lemmy, and allow disuniting privacy community here as well.
Keep this disgusting apathetic selfish behaviour out of Lemmy. This falls under the “be nice” rule.
This drama has never brought any good and just brings down everyone involved. He clearly has some issues and that doesn’t need advertising. And that includes me he’s also called an undercover agent or whatever that’s against graphene because I like Firefox. In fact these comments will probably find a way back to him somehow, it’s better to just not feed these things.
I will have you know that 10 days ago, I asked on the GrapheneOS sublemmy about evidence for the alleged swatting incident, since it has been 5 months. The comment was removed by akc3n, and he banned me within hours claiming “abusive behaviour targeting project members”. They are clearly hiding facts and dodging scrutiny because it was a lie all along.
They are the ones who create and thirst for drama. And if everybody starts to admit that, and NOT mention his project’s name EVER AGAIN to give it publicity, the resistance from people like me will stop.
There are plenty better and more effective methods for privacy and security on Android. And it is written multiple times that we have to trust the software developer and their behaviour conduct track record as basis for it (which Micay is incapable of, as seen in the past years), because software code can be hidden in plain sight, can do a lot of things, and is never bug free. Any “bad” thing can be labelled as a bug by anyone.
Stop feeding the drama then
Stop protecting the drama queen then. If anyone mentions his project’s name as an attempt to give it publicity, and him or his acolytes not apologise to any of us, resistance will continue.
Cringe
I do.
Anyone who uses sophist name calling like “neo nazi” can just fuck right off in my world.
That shows clearly their intent is a personal attack and not a search for understanding/knowledge/truth.
You people won’t lay off strcat jfc
Takeover aside, would you consider spinning up a different community anew on Matrix? After all, it does cost essentially nothing to do so.
I want to talk to admins once again, since last time when this incident happened, they did not pay attention, and spinning off anything official on this main instance needs to be in coordination. I am extremely pissed that these trolls got away with no consequences on two occasions (the faux harass claim and Matrix takeover), with admins just stalemating what was obvious and one-sided. In fact, Yayannick maliciously few months ago reinstated the taken over Matrix chatroom as the official Matrix chat of this lemmy.ml privacy community. I would first want admins to purge him, then administer a Matrix chat for this sublemmy.
Another person who thinks Discord is the equivalent of PRISM for China because Tencent helped with funding them? You’re welcome to go work for them. They mostly live in Sanfranciso and got a whoping ~5% of their startup money from Tencent.
As a light reminder, Discord has been blocked in China since… 2018?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discord
https://discord.com/open-source
https://venturebeat.com/games/hammer-chisel-pivots-to-voice-comm-app-for-multiplayer-mobile-games/
Light remind me why china banned it?
China bad USA good because USA got all those data protection and privacy laws right??
Exactly lol. It’s such a silly sentiment.
Nowhere in the post does OP claim that Discord’s privacy issues are China related…
Right, he’s just super concerned about privacy while speaking in hushed tones without naming anything because… Of privacy gnomes.
None of the other people talking about China owning Discord are here either lol.
Because privacy communities are a joke.
Lol this is 100% the truth. Privacy communities are a fucking meme. 99% of posts are just people circlejerking about Firefox vs Brave.
I’ve never gotten why Brave got popular in the first place. I downloaded it once and uninstalled within 3 minutes.
Cromite and Waterfox are all I’ll ever need.
Idk and I don’t care. Just tired of watching the Brave circlejerk. Like everyone knows that company is sketchy as absolute shit. If you still want to use the browser then that’s on you. But I’m tired of seeing people screaming about it in every one of these threads lol
Yeah it quickly becomes a dick measuring contest and shunning people for using different things. It becomes very black/white views, and have some crazy out of touch takes, like expecting your grandma to self host lol. They also confuse anonymity with privacy, like how not being able to sign up for something with tor and monero is a privacy violation, it’s not.
like how not being able to sign up for something with tor and monero is a privacy violation, it’s not.
Note that “secrecy” and “privacy” are often understood in Security lingo as different things. One protects confidentiality, the other one protects anonymity.
It’s possible to have one and not the other…
You can have a very private system through onion routing but have the contents of the messages exchanged be in plaintext, open to the public. Nobody will be able to know the one who wrote the message was you. But they can see the message. (then there is privacy, but not secrecy).
Or you can have very strongly encrypted communications (say HTTPS) but have the DNS exchanges (or the TLS handshake, or the IP addresses) be in the clear, so people in the middle (eg. your ISP… or your workplace tech guys) can know exactly that the packages are sent by you and where you sent them, even if their content is encrypted. They can know which service you tried to access to, for how long and how many times (so you have secrecy, but not privacy).
I think it falls into the same pitfalls as most super niche communities, like a lot of subreddits did.
For example, the shaving subreddit (/r/wicked_edge I think?). Its mission statement was to introduce people to cleaner, safer, and more efficient shaving methods. And for the most part, with all of its resources and wikis, it successfully did it. But if you choose to stay after you’ve made your informed purchases, the posts were mostly braggarts showing off their latest hundreds-of-dollars handles, supreme razor blades, brushes made from actual gold, that sort of thing. My point is, the average person (by my guess, like 90% of people going to the site) gets the information they need and then never participate in the community again. But those who stay are those who really want to stay– people who are most likely to brag and boast. So over time, it falls more and more into plain old dick measuring contests.
This obviously isn’t true of all communities, but I think it’s a common pitfall for a lot of them. I can imagine privacy is very similar: take all the steps you can to learn to protect your privacy, and then… you’re good, for the most part.
Wow this is great I am surprised to see people talking about this (let alone even being aware of it).
Really refreshing to not have it to be a contest to follow random dogmas.
Lemmy is refreshingly smarter than I was used to seeing on Reddit.
Hahahaha
Not have it be a contest to follow random dogmas
Lemmy is refreshingly smarter than… reddit
I don’t know if this was intentional or not, but either way this was hilarious!!
Just a slightly higher barrier to entry really filters out the low-quality ignorant/belligerent/unconstructive posters, don’t you think? The relative absence of useless posts made either by bots or unhelpful users is refreshing too. It’s not perfect but it’s a huge step in the right direction.
Reminds me of what happened to the pipe tobacco sub after Reddit banned trading of tobacco.
What had been a thriving sub of trading, sharing, well written reviews and friendly discussion quickly became stagnant and started leaning towards people showing off their expensive pipes and tobacco orders. Without the people who came for the trading and stayed to chat, the sub became boring quickly.
Pfft. My gramgram self-hosts on her own LFS build with a hardened kernel and custom written SELinux policies. All your grandparents need to get on her level.
Disclaimer: Everything here is a lie.
it quickly becomes a dick measuring contest and shunning people for using different things. It becomes very black/white views, and have some crazy out of touch takes
In other words, it’s just like literally every online community in the history of the Internet. When Sir TimBL created the first web page, people probably used it to bitch about how everyone else was doing it wrong.
Shun!
