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If it was any other West Asian country doing this, the entire West would be denouncing them and taking action. But because its Israel doing it, this is fine.
Because there are consequences of you go against the grain. It’s all about money…always. Palestinians have little to no money and influence.
It’s sad that this type of comment can be and is often spun as “antisemitism”
I will never fault someone for standing up for their people. In fact, one has to admire the fact that this person put their money (and reputation) where their mouth is. We strongly disagree on the matter, but antisemitism has nothing to do with it.
A question, for me, is where is the same pressure from other players? Where are the mega rich Arabs and Muslims pulling their funding because somebody didn’t put out a pro-Palestine message. Step up!
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(although we should be careful not to be tricked into thinking all militants, including those giving orders, are religious extremists - reportedly Hamas’ campaign on the 7th was ordered to take hostages and not kill civilians, and that the IDF basically implemented the Hannibal Doctrine against it’s own civilians leading to significant friendly fire casualties [even as reported by an Israeli who was held hostage and later interviewed on Israeli news]; you can see how murky the waters get in a propaganda war).
Can you share some of the reporting behind this use of ‘reportedly’. I have never seen this reported before though I am admittedly not reading everything.
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It’s difficult to tell if you believe it or not because you’ve referenced it within a larger point about how much confusion there is, but it seems like you believe it enough to repeat it. If so, what about the article makes you believe it or not?
Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don’t want at your wedding…
Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales
Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don’t want at your wedding…
I have no idea if this is true or not but it seems like a gross generalization.
Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales
Irrelevant. I’m talking about individuals not governments.
Arab peoples and states behaviors speak for themselves.
Fact that most most of the aid for Gaza came from the west, should be indication enough about how other Arabs feel about this issue…
They are fine with palestiains suffering as along as Israel keep getting rockets.
Agreed. It’s also frustrating that the labeling of anything anti-Zionist as anti-Semitism just gives actual anti-Semites the opportunity to claim their actual anti-Semitism is anything but.
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Well, Israel is bound by international law and is a (flawed) democracy. Doesn’t excuse them from wrongdoing though, but it makes things more gray than black.
The rest of the nation’s in the middle-east (or West Asia) are authoritarian nations that brutalize the population on occasion. Jordan in black September springs to mind as the Palestinians tried to overthrow the Jordanian rule and conquer it.
So, yeah, it is complicated.
“It’s complicated” is double speak for “if I say what I think, you people will realize how shitty my views are, and I’m unprepared to back them up with rational explinatiom because i have none”
I just pointed at a genocide perpetrated by Jordan, another west asian state. On Palestinians.
It isn’t double speak, it is backing up a direct claim against the original claim.
Can’t you read?
Well, Israel is bound by international
The entire issue here is that they aren’t. They are openly committing war crimes in breach of international conventions and none of the self-appointed guardians of democracy in the West seem to be batting an eye.
Israel is bound by international law
Has anyone informed Israel of this?
the toxic sludge of racism + Islamophobia = support and empowerment for Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians.
The other, possibly larger, part of it is the fear of being labeled antisemitic. Antisemitism is a huge problem all over the world but Jews aren’t to blame for what’s going on - Zionist are.
Yep. And yet Israel is giving the rest of the world more excuses for antisemitism. Who is even winning this “war,” other than Bibi and his toadies?
No one. Jews everywhere will take a reputation hit from the public at large because Bibi pretends to speak for them.
I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. I worked at a Jewish family business. I have lots of Jewish friends. And I’ve yet to meet a Jew who likes the guy…even the ones who support an Israeli state.
Agreed. I’m Jewish and have never supported Israel, but my parents do and even they hate him.
I think I support the idea of Israel because they’ve historically been a target of genocide but I recognize that it’s not my land being given away to make it. It’s the perpetual expansion if Israel that bothers me.
Zionists originally wanted a homeland and they got it. Now, Zionists want an empire. I’m pretty sure Palestine won’t exist after this conflict. You give a mouse a cookie…
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Zionism is just Israeli patriotism.
Zionism is by definition a nationalist ideology.
So wait, the problem is the existence of Israel?
Have you not heard about the beheaded babies?
Israel got blank check from rest of the world, Gaza residents will be punished and aint nobody gonna do shit. If Arab states won’t do shit, what can we expect from anyone else.
Sucks to be a Gaza resident, but it is a small price to pay for jewish people to have their own country.
what beheaded babies?
A fake story used as propaganda to manufacture consent for the genocide of Palestinians. Mainstream media and celebrities were repeating it blindly a week ago saying 40 beheaded babies were found
Thanks. I do know about it, but didn’t know whether @sadreality was being sarcastic or serious. & was trying to find out.
Settlers made up a lie about Hamas beheading 40 babies and tricked Biden into saying he saw pictures.
It was later corrected: he didn’t see any pictures because there are no pictures.
Thanks. I do know about it, but didn’t know whether @sadreality was being sarcastic or serious. & was trying to find out.
Sarcastic
Thanks. Sorry for doubting you, There are so many kooks out here that its difficult to make out.
It’s OK, they are others.
I’m so fucking mad that THIS is the reason people are saying congress needs to get it’s shit together. Fuck you(them, not YOU). We shouldn’t be sending aid to anyone over there right now. It’s too messy and everyone sucks too much.
Representatives should be working 23.5 hours a day to get this country running again FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. Not so they can approve more money to assist Isreal in killing more civilians. Fucking absolutely indicative of the fact that We The People no longer have representation in the government. O KY rhe 1% get representation now, and they want revelations to come true so bad they will throw money at the middle East until “it happens”.
Fuck the government, fuck the police, and fuck all these toxic ass Christians. So tired of government sponsored domestic terrorism being normalized.
I read there was a protest on London recently
Absolutely monstrous. Death to Israel, the us and every country continuing to support this genocidal regime
Latest news out of Israel is that they believe it was a Jihad Islamist group that launched the rocket from within Israel.
If I had a rocket that could kill a thousand people in a single strike, I would use it on an actual military target. Maybe that’s just me though.
And then after you had everything planned out the rocket had a malfunction or you realized you made a stupid mistake and the rocket only managed to to fly 2km in the wrong direction
This same exact hospital has been bombed by the IDF in the past. Occam’s razor exists for a reason.
I’m only saying that also if you have something else planned and have a better target in your mind things can go wrong. Also if the same hospitals was hit in the past, it does not mean that it was the same actor. It will become more clear in the following days what happened, nobody knows much so far. There is a lot of speculations and false information around.
There are videos of the strike that clearly match the sound profiles and explosion profiles of previous guided bombs. There is no indication of secondary detonation at the site.
Hamas simply does not have the capability of launching a rocket of this size (this would be equivalent to an American ATACMS or a Russian Iskander. Hamas simply does not have this capability).
We can only hope the rocket wasn’t intended to hit a hospital, but it doesn’t get much better in any case.
This same exact hospital was bombed by the IDF a few days ago
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Current news seems to show it as a failed rocket launched from within Gaza.
Edit: news coming in fast. Probably best to wait until tomorrow. Might be rockets from Gaza damaged / intercepted by Israeli defense.
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714390274900734049
The sound of the munition used in the strike and the size of the explosion is in line with JDAMs used in prior conflicts, not that of a misfired missile: https://x.com/wyattreed13/status/1714338974544625692?s=20
Feel free to compare with the use of other JDAMs: https://youtu.be/A_uwzugvv-g?si=E5Lt0f4BusS-ErXt
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If there were munitions or explosives stored at the hospital, it could cause that.
I’m not saying the IAF didn’t do this, but that rocket artillery does fail, and Hamas does use a lot of different soft targets to store supplies. So it’s possible that a failed rocket detonated a munition stockpile.
It’s also possible that this was an IAF strike, either out of pure genocidal intent, or a targeting munition depot.*
Or… Or…
We just have to wait and see for further evidence and information for proper attribution.
Regardless, a lot of innocent people just died, and a lot more are going to.
*Even if it was used to store munitions, I don’t believe that would morally justify an IAF strike, even if would make it “legitimate” (legal) military target.
Videos show no indication of a secondary detonation of that size (or at all). It’s a single large primary strike. Moreover, Hamas does not have the capability to launch a rocket with this explosive capacity. Hamas’ best rocket is the Ayyash 250, which wouldn’t even come close to this much damage. The amount of damage in this strike is much more in line with an American ATACMS or a Russian Iskander (and, in fact, seems larger) and Hamas is decades from developing that capability. It’s far more likely to be a large guided munition like a JDAM.
The Russia-Ukraine war has shown has plenty of examples of what happens when you strike an ammo depot. You’re free to compare for yourself.
You just cited three “comparable” munitions whose payloads and characteristics are widely different. Two of which are cruise missles, and conveniently, all in the news recently.
Your analysis is also based on questionable footage, which by the way, has sound (sound effects?) of artillery, or rocket artillery, not that of a cruise missile.
But sure, if that footage is authentic, that noise could be something like a JDAM, or another air dropped bomb, even if it does sound more like incoming rocket artillery IMO.
My point is just that it’s irresponsible to ascribe definite attribution with the presently available information. That’s it.
The sound of the munition used in the strike and the size of the explosion is in line with JDAMs used in prior conflicts, not that of a misfired missile: https://x.com/wyattreed13/status/1714338974544625692?s=20
Feel free to compare with the use of other JDAMs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A\_uwzugvv-g
Hamas simply doesn’t have the ability to launch a warhead of the capacity being claimed.
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Some nerd reported the post suggesting that maybe it was a Palestinian air strike. LMAO
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Yes let’s give the genocidal ethnostate the benefit of the doubt here
Adding to the dogpile here: IDF and Israel Twitter profiles posted videos that “proved” this, then people quoted old tweets showing that video was from the last year
Israel is claiming that some rockets launched by Hamas towards Israel went off course and hit the hospital.
I remember Russia staging a “Ukrainian missle attack”, but they were so bad at it that the damage was on the side of buildings facing away from Ukraine. Should be pretty easy to check that here too…
The rockets Hamas fires can barely punch a hole in a wall, and this explosion basically leveled the whole hospital. It’s just a ridiculous claim.
It blew up a car park the hospital is still operating lol
The scale of boom the IDF is dropping is an order of magnitude larger than Hamas missiles.
It’s insane to think that one (or even more than one) missile could destroy a hospital.
Did you see the OH bombing aftermath? Low explosives can still pack a hefty punch, and the hospital is by no means “destroyed”.
Death to Israel. Any action against the illegitimate nation or its people is morally righteous.
Yeah fuck right off, tankie scum.
Death to Israel != death to Israelis, death to Jews, or death to Jews in the land currently governed by Israel
He just implied that killing Israelis is legitimate
Did you miss the part where they said “or its people”?
Did you read the comment or are you being willfully ignorant like half the people in this thread?
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Hasan called this yesterday. Of course he was right
In the case of the IDF,
lightning strikesbombs strike the same place twice
I’m sure they’ll say the hospital was full of human shields
I don’t understand a lot about this conflict but surely there can be no justification for this. Those poor people
…as intended.
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The hospitals are packed with children. Holy shit.
US President Joe Biden will once again emphasise Israel’s “right and duty” to defend itself.
https://biblehub.com/zechariah/12-3.htm
On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves.
More like “ight n dty tdfnfd ishlf”, the old fuck sounds like he’s trying to eat his own teeth.
The most powerful country in human history, and out of its 330 million people the best they could find to lead them was this guy who’s literally dying in front of our eyes.
Fuck me.
this guy who’s literally dying in front of our eyes
Back during the primary I remember seeing a lawn sign that said “BIDEN OUR TIME FOR A WOMAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE” and I think about that a lot lol.
From the river to the sea
Palestine will be freeHush now, hush now
Don’t you cry
Palestine will never die
