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If they truly took it out on truth social and not on the campaign website their claim of oversight might work, but repeats won’t go over so well.
But instead fined him $5,000. This headline is stupid.
I am not a lawyer, but my first thought is that you cannot pass a six figure (or more) fine for this kind of infraction. Even though Trump is starting to show a pattern of disregarding this specific case’s proceedings, the judge would have to start at a reasonable amount and go up from there. In this case, I searched for reasonable fines for violating a gag order and got $1000 to $10000. If he handed down a $500,000 fine then the media / right would go crazy questioning if this fine was justified by Trump’s actions. I think we all know that regardless of the sum (barring $100,000+ fines), Trump is gonna disregard the fine and do it again. But doing so gets Trump closer to actually being imprisoned (in theory). The actual threat of being imprisoned is far more likely to quiet Trump than a monetary fee. ‘Tis the life of the (comparatively) rich, monetary fines don’t have the same sticking power as for you and I.
There are many other countries, including some with some shared legal history with the US, where civil fines are proportional to the income and/or wealth of the person. Rich people get four or five or six figure traffic tickets, etc.
That’s refreshingly rational, all things considered. Thank you.
All gag orders are not equal. Given this one was due to what amounts to a threat against his staff, I find it unlikely most judges in other circumstances would have let this happen with such flagrant disregard for the order without jail time. The fact is, Trump supporters are violent, and this judge is scared of that violence. A slap on the wrist is all he had the courage to do, and I’m doubtful anything will change with this judge going forward. He just knows how appalling it is to have his hard working and innocent staff threatened and reacted like someone with a spine momentarily, and then he realized he doesn’t have one and walked it back.
The entire thing is theater.
Another mind reader I see. Tell us, has the judge already decided if he is guilty? And what number am I thinking of?
U mad?
All gag orders are not equal. Given this one was due to what amounts to a threat against his staff, I find it unlikely most judges in other circumstances would have let this happen with such flagrant disregard for the order without jail time.
This is the bit I don’t get, Trump doxxing court staff and encouraging his followers to harass them is surely way beyond contempt of court. Is that not an entirely new crime by itself?
You’d think so, but like we’re seeing with the Jim Jordan thing, people are quite honestly (and reasonably) scared of escalating violence and harassment from… punishing the incitement of violence and harassment. The problem comes from the fact that you can’t stop the escalation that will occur simply by punishing the inciter–you make it worse. That’s why mob violence and stochastic terrorism are so scary.
Judges parenting baby Trump:
I’m gonna count to 3!
1…
2…
2 and a half…
2 and three quarters…
almost 3…
seriously really almost 3…
You’re not wrong, but there is a reason for it. The judge(s) are trying to show that they gave Trump every chance to follow their orders before throwing him in jail. It may have seemed like a really like time to us, but by court standards it’s not.
Hell to the yeah.
DO IT.
So the argument is they did take it down from Truth Social, but it remained on the campaign website? I mean, I GUESS that’s plausible deniability… but still feels intentional.
Just fucking do it.
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Effectively, still no consequences.
Stop threatening it. Anyone else would already be behind bars right now. Follow through.
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Never in the history of our country has a president been indicted so many times. Over so many many alleged crimes. Truly a rigged two tiered just system allowing an indicted former president, storing TS/SCI documents in his bathroom, who has a history of over sharing, and flushing government documents, could remain free, instead of immured in a black-site hole, in pre-trial detainment. Reality Winner was sentenced to five years and three months and she didn’t even get to share how close our submarines could get to Russian Subs without being detected. For shame!
so many many
allegedcrimes.This isn’t a court of law and you aren’t a corporation. You’re allowed to acknowledge his thoroughly proven (and in some cases even brag-admitted) guilt for what it is. Nobody’s going to sue you for telling the truth and nobody reasonable is going to complain either.
Most prominently, Trump is a public figure, so a lawsuit would have to prove malice intent.
I can say Trump is guilty all day long because I have free political speech, and honest intent.
To be fair, a decent amount of presidents probably should have been indicted. Trump does take the cake on how directly connected he is to obvious crimes. He’s definitely the dumbest in that regard.
That orange fucker needs to see some consequences for his actions for once.
He won’t
More than him – our nations people.
When Nixon fucked around he stepped down. In doing so, he said to the American people “what I did was wrong and I recognize that.”
Trump won’t admit wrongdoing. He’s been indicted on fucking 90 counts. Until he is actually punished, his followers will only see that they can try to do the same.
Society needs to renounce him, fully, or were fucked.
Meh. I kinda wish we would have set a harder precedent with rather than letting him go on a PR tour.
I think it possibly could have prevented a lot of the ensuing political corruption we’ve seen.
Same could have been said if we had actually nailed Ronnie Raygun to the wall for Iran/Contra. Instead, we let him coast. And that was even worse than Watergate.
Republicans have been skating for years and years for their crimes.
Might’ve happened had there been a precedent for it. Same with all the war crimes for Cheney/Bush. Instead they’re counting their money and fingerprinting.
Ford pardoned Nixon, so there wasn’t much that could be done to punish Nixon after that. They couldn’t even go after him at the state level since the Watergate scandal happened in DC. Pardoning Nixon was a major part of why Ford didn’t get reelected, although there were several other major reasons for that.
Obviously, but Ford shouldn’t have. That was most of the point.
Still, that wouldn’t have made him immune to impeachment (and hopefully the ultimate barring from holding office).
But the point is moot, and bipartisan vileness will ensure we don’t see a precedence for any of these things in decades.
I think part of the problem is that jailing him would just make him more powerful to his supporters. I honestly think Trump wants to be jailed for this shit.
It doesn’t matter what his little cult of idiots think, he should be bound by the same laws as everyone else.
This is BULL SHIT. Jailing him would show his supporters there are still consequences.
Sounds like you never met a trump supporter. Or republican for that matter. They will double down.
As I ask below. What are they going to do?
Do what they do now but double
So nothing, got it
Ok, triple down!
But would his supporters see it that way? They’re so innoculated against reality that they accept his narrative uncritically. They won’t see it as consequences, because they don’t see him as guilty.
I also don’t think the effects on his supporters’ beliefs should matter much to prosecution for his crimes. I can’t imagine there’s any way for that to have an effect that nudges them towards reality
But would his supporters see it that way?
I don’t care
It’s not relevant in this context.
Tell me honestly…what can they do? Cry? Whine? Go attack the fbi and then shoot themselves like that one guy?
I keep hearing this argument and it baffles me as to what people like you are afraid of or think is going to happen…
I feel like you’re arguing against a very different position that I hold/expressed? I don’t think they’ll do all that much differently than they were already going to. Trying to appease his supporters by tempering the justice for his crimes won’t work, and will probably do more harm.
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Also, it’s likely to draw some of them out to do some illegal stuff in “protest” of donnie the Nepo Baby being locked up.
And then THEY can be put in prison, too. :)
He can’t spout off bullshit at campaign rallies if he’s behind bars for contempt of court.
Why do we care about the karens who are still supoorting this guy? They’ll cry about him being in jail and then get distracted by the next bit of ragebait. We have to stop treading on eggshells around these people.
It would deplatform him and that’s the best way to kill the movement for anyone but the most radical.
We can see that in Canada with the far right party that medias had the legal obligation to cover during the last campaign (because of high enough vote intentions based on surveys), after the campaign (and after not winning a single seat) their social medias lost 80% of its audience based on the number of likes and shares. The followers just stopped caring because they weren’t all over the news anymore.
Get Trump off the news and off social media and his chance of winning the primary will become zero.
Shit or get off the pot.
If you’re ever unsure whether there are separate judicial systems for the aristocrats and the poors, try threatening a judge while not rich and see how many warnings you get.
