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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The judge presiding over Donald Trump’s $250 million civil fraud trial in New York raised the possibility on Friday of putting the former president in prison after Trump failed to comply with a partial gag order requiring him to remove a post trashing the judge’s law clerk on social media.
Judge Arthur Engoron said in court on Friday morning that Trump had posted on his social media account “an untrue and disparaging post about my clerk” and that he spoke to the former president about the matter.
He continued, "Despite this order, last night I learned the offending post was never removed from a website.
Engoron said the post remained on Trump’s 2024 campaign website for 17 days and was removed late Thursday night after the court emailed him.
In response, Trump’s defense attorney, Chris Kise said, “Based on my understanding this was truly inadvertent.”
"Truth Social was taken down and Trump never made any more comments about court staff, but it appears no one took it down on the campaign website.
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I look forward to never hearing the name Trump again.
That can’t happen soon enough.
Unfortunately I don’t think we will ever stop hearing his name, Hitler has been dead for almost 80 years and we still hear his almost daily.
Hitler was much more impactful though, he is directly responsible for the deaths of tens of millions and a war that devastated countries around the globe.
Trump is a corrupt politician who was too incompetent to accomplish what his handlers wanted. He wants to be a Mussolini, he just isn’t capable.
Yeah, but as fucked up as it is to say, Hitler actually accomplished something with his time in power worth talking a about.
Trump did manage to fuck up the Supreme Court though.
Trump packed the Supreme Court and did irreversible damage to our election process and radicalized half the nation, just because the wave hasn’t hit the shore yet doesn’t mean he didn’t do any damage. The damage he did will be unfolding itself for a lifetime, give the dust some time to settle and then evaluate what he “accomplished”.
Radicalizing the nation, sure, but I’d say thay packing the court was more on
Mitch McTurtleMoscow Mitch. And an equally big problem seems to be all the positions they managed to snag in local elections. That one will also take a while to fix…Again, it wasn’t half the nation, it was around 36% of voters.
People forget (or don’t understand) that ‘half the vote’ isn’t half the people.
Yeah. He killed Hitler. It’s like…the one good thing he did. Any other accomplishments he may have had are rendered null and void by the atrocities he committed.
Donny’s too much a coward to take that path, even if it’s where his hero’s footprints lead him
He also killed the guy who killed Hitler, so there’s that
Stop making empty threats. If this had been anyone else, they would have been in jail years ago. But we’re a nation of corrupt men and not of laws.
But instead fined him $5,000. This headline is stupid.
I am not a lawyer, but my first thought is that you cannot pass a six figure (or more) fine for this kind of infraction. Even though Trump is starting to show a pattern of disregarding this specific case’s proceedings, the judge would have to start at a reasonable amount and go up from there. In this case, I searched for reasonable fines for violating a gag order and got $1000 to $10000. If he handed down a $500,000 fine then the media / right would go crazy questioning if this fine was justified by Trump’s actions. I think we all know that regardless of the sum (barring $100,000+ fines), Trump is gonna disregard the fine and do it again. But doing so gets Trump closer to actually being imprisoned (in theory). The actual threat of being imprisoned is far more likely to quiet Trump than a monetary fee. ‘Tis the life of the (comparatively) rich, monetary fines don’t have the same sticking power as for you and I.
There are many other countries, including some with some shared legal history with the US, where civil fines are proportional to the income and/or wealth of the person. Rich people get four or five or six figure traffic tickets, etc.
That’s refreshingly rational, all things considered. Thank you.
All gag orders are not equal. Given this one was due to what amounts to a threat against his staff, I find it unlikely most judges in other circumstances would have let this happen with such flagrant disregard for the order without jail time. The fact is, Trump supporters are violent, and this judge is scared of that violence. A slap on the wrist is all he had the courage to do, and I’m doubtful anything will change with this judge going forward. He just knows how appalling it is to have his hard working and innocent staff threatened and reacted like someone with a spine momentarily, and then he realized he doesn’t have one and walked it back.
The entire thing is theater.
Another mind reader I see. Tell us, has the judge already decided if he is guilty? And what number am I thinking of?
U mad?
All gag orders are not equal. Given this one was due to what amounts to a threat against his staff, I find it unlikely most judges in other circumstances would have let this happen with such flagrant disregard for the order without jail time.
This is the bit I don’t get, Trump doxxing court staff and encouraging his followers to harass them is surely way beyond contempt of court. Is that not an entirely new crime by itself?
You’d think so, but like we’re seeing with the Jim Jordan thing, people are quite honestly (and reasonably) scared of escalating violence and harassment from… punishing the incitement of violence and harassment. The problem comes from the fact that you can’t stop the escalation that will occur simply by punishing the inciter–you make it worse. That’s why mob violence and stochastic terrorism are so scary.
If you’re ever unsure whether there are separate judicial systems for the aristocrats and the poors, try threatening a judge while not rich and see how many warnings you get.
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“Threatens”
crickets
“Threatens”
crimes
Never in the history of our country has a president been indicted so many times. Over so many many alleged crimes. Truly a rigged two tiered just system allowing an indicted former president, storing TS/SCI documents in his bathroom, who has a history of over sharing, and flushing government documents, could remain free, instead of immured in a black-site hole, in pre-trial detainment. Reality Winner was sentenced to five years and three months and she didn’t even get to share how close our submarines could get to Russian Subs without being detected. For shame!
so many many
allegedcrimes.This isn’t a court of law and you aren’t a corporation. You’re allowed to acknowledge his thoroughly proven (and in some cases even brag-admitted) guilt for what it is. Nobody’s going to sue you for telling the truth and nobody reasonable is going to complain either.
Most prominently, Trump is a public figure, so a lawsuit would have to prove malice intent.
I can say Trump is guilty all day long because I have free political speech, and honest intent.
To be fair, a decent amount of presidents probably should have been indicted. Trump does take the cake on how directly connected he is to obvious crimes. He’s definitely the dumbest in that regard.
Trump and his supporters think he’s above the law. I hope they’ll show that he’s not.
I truly believe he’ll never see the inside of a jail cell because the powers that run the country are terrified of what his nutcase acolytes will do.
Oh I am sure this stern warning will do the trick.
Here’s what I would do: Trump is ordered to write a formal apology letter to the clerk in which he disavows the spurious claims outlaid in his post, he must record himself reading the letter and post it to his website for at least 2 months. Or he can go to jail for contempt of court.
This way he either does something he definitely does not want to do (admit fault) or go to jail and because he ‘holds the keys to his cell’ so to speak, his claims of being wrongfully imprisoned would be hollow.
His claim of being wrongfully imprisoned is already hollow, his supporters are going to believe it regardless of the hoops
Also not apologizing/admitting fault is a point of price for them
I think he literally couldn’t bring himself to make the apology, though. He’s way too much of a narcissist.
Nobody is above the law. Trump has been fucking around for too long and needs to find out his actions have consequences.
Nobody is above the law.
It should be true. I want to make it true. But it sure doesn’t seem to be true at present.
Nobody is above the law? That remains to be seen
Remember in 2011, when Dominique Strauss-Kahn (powerful French politician and head of the IMF) was arrested , for raping a maid at the hotel he’d been staying at? And the reaction from France was all Why would you do such a thing?!, and the American reaction to France was Why wouldn’t we - no one is above the law!
I really miss those days.
Idk why you got that single down vote. If no one has been paying attention, then I’ll just mention it here. The law (usually) only applies when you’re poor.
You got a downvote from me for whining about downvotes.
Just thought you’d like to know so you don’t have to post a followup whining about why you were downvoted.
Oh? Have you tried hopping assbackwards into a pond full of dickfish and fucking yourself?
Why would I fuck myself in a pond full of dickfish? The fuck you think they’re there for? It’s in the name.
I’m just assuming you need dickfish assistance in fucking yourself. Sorry, guess you’re hogged out enough to service yourself.
You’re not even trying to make sense here.
Do you DICK the FISH or is the FISH a DICK?
Because a dickfish is not a fishdick until it’s filleted, breaded, and fried.
I’ve actually been curious about this, I’m not seeing any down votes on the comment you’re talking about. Is it instant specific?
Some instances don’t count downvotes, and sometimes up/downs take a while to federate.
It is instance specific
Kbin does not display (or possibly even pull in) federated downvotes.
Poor, or done something to someone richer than you.
“Nobody is above the law”
-citation neededThis geriatric fuck hasn’t seen a single consequence in his whole life, would be nice to see literally anything be done
Nobody is above the law.
Patently false. Anyone else behaving as Trump has and indicted on the array of charges he is would be waiting for trial from a jail cell.
Whatever happens to him now, it will be far less than would have happened to you or I had we committed the same crimes.
Fuck threats, fucking do it goddammit
JUST DO IT
