So basically i want try other rolling release distributions besides Vanilla Arch Linux So Give your thoughts on which is the best and also how to install the wifi drivers on Endeavour os and Gentoo Linux For a better experience

  • @[email protected]
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    31 year ago

    Debian hands down delivers the most stable experience of em all – even after updating from stable to sid.

    t. Did exactly that on a unsupported sbc, “Orange pi zero 3”, and everything works.

        • @[email protected]OP
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          21 year ago

          I was guessing but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work And yes I know Debain is easy nowadays but regardless I will try Debain or even better MX Linux and Linux mint Debain edition

          • @[email protected]
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            Delving into the realm of non-rolling distros, yes MX is quite good (sits on top of Debian). I’ve used the latest version on a laptop seeing almost daily use for 1.5 years or so and zero issues. And thread originator is correct, Debian is the gold standard for a stable linux experience.

            • @[email protected]OP
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              21 year ago

              that’s why I want to try it later because it’s the really Best Distro for most of my old computers that otherwise use puppy or antix

  • @[email protected]
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    61 year ago

    I’ve been running the same arch install for atleast 5 years… I honestly can’t recommend any other distro because I haven’t used many for a long enough period of time

    • @[email protected]OP
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      11 year ago

      Ok but I won’t use stable distributions until im need to use them and how did not crash from maintenance and downloaded too many softwares

      • @[email protected]
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        21 year ago

        I also used Arch for 5+ years and had very few issues. If you know what you’re doing, it’s not hard to keep it running stable.

        I’m now on Tumbleweed and have even fewer issues.

        But honestly, what’s wrong with stable distros? I recommend them by default because there’s far less chance for anything to go wrong day to day, and your only concern is at release time. I switched because I’m a developer and using the latest is better for me so I can test on the latest versions of things. I also prefer to fix things as I go instead of potentially lose a day to a release upgrade going sideways (happened twice, once with Ubuntu and again with Fedora).

        Btw, Tumbleweed is great because it configures snapper by default, which let’s you roll back if an upgrade goes poorly. I’ve used it a few times over 2-3 years, mostly when my NVIDIA driver got mismatched from the kernel. I’m now on an AMD GPU and haven’t needed it since.

  • Quazatron
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    61 year ago

    Most Linux distributions are quite reliable, even rolling ones. What usually causes instability are the closed source applications people choose to run on them.

    I’m not just pointing out nVidia drivers, I’ve seen Teams and Visual Studio Code crash an otherwise stable Ubuntu LTS.

      • @[email protected]
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        31 year ago

        I love endeavour, really can’t go wrong with it. Is super lightweight, rolling-release, archbased (so you have AUR) and more robust than arch I’d say. It has never failed me.

        However, my dad’s endeavour system broke once, idk if it was because no maintenance or what… I guess no system is perfect.

        • Solar Bear
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          91 year ago

          Arch very rarely breaks on its own. But if the manually driven style of Arch is not what you’re looking for, try OpenSUSE Tumbleweed or Slowroll.

        • @[email protected]
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          141 year ago

          If your Arch breaks down it’s likely any rolling release distro will also, because it means you’re likely not doing part of the maintenance a rolling release needs, such as ensuring the config files you’ve changed get properly updated.

          Any rolling release distro is unstable, because unstable doesn’t mean what you think it means, it means that any library can be updated.

          • @[email protected]OP
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            31 year ago

            ok thanks for correcting my mistake and I’m sure arch isn’t impossible to use just a little bit tinky

          • @[email protected]
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            11 year ago

            That’s a fair point, but I think the definition of “breaking” tends to correlate with experience.

            There are certain things that will “break” in Arch that are trivial to fix for me now, but were a real pain when I first started using it (GPG key errors come to mind).

            Even things like the Grub issue from around a year ago – that’s something I could probably fix with a little reading now, but at the time I just ended up re-installing.

            • @[email protected]
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              21 year ago

              Fair. I used Arch when I was already quite familiar with Linux, so I really didn’t have any issues. I would just read the update notes before running updates, and the only one that gave me trouble was the switch to systemd some 5-10 years ago.

              I have since switched to Tumbleweed because I wanted my server and desktop to use the same tools, but I want my server to run stable Linux. I use Leap on my servers and I’ll probably switch my server to MicroOS one of these days.

              So far, Tumbleweed has been less of a pain than Arch, but that doesn’t mean Arch was unstable, it just required a little hand holding from time to time.

  • @[email protected]
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    11 year ago

    Long time arch user (amazing distro). Recently moved to Fedora Kinoite to try it out. I like it so far.

      • @[email protected]
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        21 year ago

        Bazzite is just an immutable fedora image with preconfigured containers, among others an arch container for running steam and adjacent apps.

        Overall fedora (whether immutable or regular) feels like a rolling release. By the time a new release comes out, most packages are similar, except maybe a big suite (e.g. new gnome version). Upgrades are also pretty seamless too. My grandpa’s pc has been running Fedora since 27 (or 29) and it’s now on 38. Never reinstalled

        • @[email protected]
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          11 year ago

          The last time I used Fedora was almost 15 years ago, and back then release upgrades took forever (45 min IIRC) and stuff often broke. That was the main reason I switched to Arch and why I stick with rolling releases these days. Their packages were usually really fresh, so that is still the same.

          I think I used Fedora last around 18 or 20 (can’t remember exactly), and I remember it being the first major distro to use GNOME 3 and systemd. My main gripe was the upgrader, fedup, and yum was really slow, but other than that it was a fine distro.

          I’m on openSUSE Tumbleweed now and have no intention to try Fedora again, but I like that it’s an option.

        • @[email protected]
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          11 year ago

          It’s wild how everyone’s experiences are different. I’ve tried to upgrade Fedora versions twice, and ran into issues both times.

          Meanwhile I’ve been smooth sailing with Arch for years.

      • @[email protected]
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        51 year ago

        Cause those are nothing more then distros that come with some prepackeged apps. Nothing I can’t easily do myself and prefer more vanilla experience and minimal bloat distros.

  • @[email protected]
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    71 year ago

    I have used debian for 20 years, I am very happy with it. Also zero problems with gaming nowadays

  • savbran
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    If you want a desktop distro up to date with kernel, DE, etc. which does’t crash I can advice Fedora. Aftet the six month release cycle it is easy to update. I used it for a couple of years on my home pc and it was very good.

  • @[email protected]
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    71 year ago

    NixOS because you can roll back when anything breaks, install stable versions of packages, and put your configuration in version control

  • @[email protected]
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    31 year ago

    I’d say Tumbleweed is what you’re looking for. They have some sort of automated testing process (OpenQA, I think) and are far more stable than Arch, while oftentimes having newer versions of packages before Arch.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      1 year ago

      What about the gaming benefits like using Lutris and Steam Proton In case i want to game after i installed all the necessary drivers

  • FOSS Is Fun
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    41 year ago

    Have you considered a fixed release in combination with rolling applications (i. e. Flatpak, Snap)?

    If you choose Fedora (preferably one of the atomic variants, like Silverblue), you would also get a rolling kernel and rolling KDE Plasma desktop, so overall the experience can be quite close to a rolling release distribution if you install the desktop applications via Flatpak.

    Ubuntu “interim” (non-LTS) releases are usually also fairly current and could be a good choice if you don’t mind Snap. There’s also the option of following the Ubuntu “devel” branch, which always refers to the current pre-release version of Ubuntu (e. g. 24.04 at the moment) and is rolling.

    Just wanted to give you a different direction to think about. ;)

    • @[email protected]OP
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      11 year ago

      thanks I haven’t known about it but I have Opensuse Tumbleweed for gaming use and endeavour os for the aur

      • @[email protected]
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        21 year ago

        Just FYI, if you like EndeavourOS, you should know that it’s essentially an installer for Vanilla Arch (unlike Majaro which is Arch-based).

        So you may have just had bad luck when you tried Vanilla Arch that you didn’t have with EndeavourOS – but there’s no real difference between the 2 besides manual vs GUI installer.

      • @[email protected]
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        21 year ago

        Depending on what you want, OpenSUSE’s OBS is a great alternative to the AUR. It works by building software given a script, so you still just download binary packages, unlike the AUR where you download build scripts.

        I honestly haven’t needed much since switching from Arch to openSUSE, though I’ve played with some OBS packages here and there. I used to maintain some AUR packages, and I haven’t needed to on Tumbleweed.

        Give it a shot, you probably don’t need both. I prefer Tumbleweed these days, but I’ve used Tumbleweed and Arch both for about the same amount of time (5-ish years) and can recommend both.

  • nicman24
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    61 year ago

    just use arch and don’t do anything stupid (like not updating regularly)

    • meow
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      31 year ago

      I don’t know how there are people that wait a month between updates, it’s like they don’t actually want a rolling release.

      • @[email protected]
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        51 year ago

        As someone who used Arch for several years and has been on Tumbleweed for a few years now, life happens. I ran Arch on my laptop, desktop, and a server, and I could go weeks if not 1-2 months between actively using one of those. But when I do, I want the latest software.

        So I now use Tumbleweed on my desktop and laptop and Leap on my server. Updates are no longer painful whether it’s been a week or a month. I also switched to AMD GPU, which further reduced my issues.

        I think Arch is fine, Tumbleweed just fits my lifestyle more. I’ll probably move my server to MicroOS one of these days, probably when Leap 15.6 EOL is announced.

        • meow
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          21 year ago

          life happens

          Impossible! Everyone knows Arch users don’t have a life. /j

          But damn you have a pretty computer free life if you can go weeks between usage.

          • @[email protected]
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            I have a work computer, Steam Deck, and video game console as well. Sometimes I just don’t get around to using my desktop PC or laptop.

            I also have kids, and they use my computers more than I do (mostly Minecraft). But I don’t personally use them every day (usually 1-2x/week, if that), and I don’t run updates every time I use my computer. I do try to remember to update them once/week (usually Saturdays), but that doesn’t happen very consistently.

            And then there are vacations and whatnot (e.g. we went on a family trip for 3 weeks last year). Life gets busy, and mine doesn’t revolve around my computers, my computers are merely tools I use to play games, work on personal projects, and sometimes watch shows.

  • @[email protected]
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    161 year ago

    I love openSUSE Tumbleweed. It has a solid automated testing process that means packages will be held back rather than updating and breaking things.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      11 year ago

      That’s what im going to use daily use anyway and for gaming as well but that because fedora doesn’t detect my wifi drivers at least opensuse slowroll is looking good for a backup os