Republicans have at long last elected a House speaker: Representative Mike Johnson, a fundamentalist Christian who was also once called a key “architect” in Congress’s efforts to overthrow the 2020 election.
Johnson finally secured the speaker’s gavel after Republican infighting left the House without a speaker for 22 days. He secured 220 votes.
Johnson is a four-term congressman representing Louisiana. His win also represents the rise of the MAGA front in the Republican Party. Earlier Wednesday morning, Donald Trump endorsed Johnson as House speaker—after quickly killing Mike Emmer’s nomination the day before.
May his faith in his abilities be soundly broken by Senate Dems sinking every piece of bullshit legislation he helps pass in the House.
The last several GOP speakers have been ripped to shreds by their own party. It very well could happen again.
We can hope… but if he’s smarter than Kevin McCarthy (which, granted, doesn’t take much) he likely didn’t agree to the same provisions that allowed Gaetz to call for a vote. So unfortunately he’s probably there until the next election unless a majority decides to motion for his removal, but I could be wrong.
The House rules haven’t had a change… any amendments to the rules would need to be presented in a motion and voted on by the full House.
In principle he’s susceptible to the same threats as McCarthy. However since he’s loved by the Treason Causcus and the “moderates” fear making the party look inept with another speaker battle…
I meant the personal concessions that McCarthy made to get elected Speaker to begin with. I don’t think those concessions were adopted into the general House rules that would apply to the next Speaker, but again, I could be wrong.
Dude looks like Hitler
Is this a surprise to anyone? It’s not like the pool of candidates had anyone worth a damn anyway.
and the pool of potential candidates is even more shallow when considering that the insurrection caucus has enough votes to make a would-be speaker sink or swim
The “insurrection caucus” represents the majority of the GOP. This is what they are.
I’m pretty sure the problem with the others was that they weren’t extreme enough.
Right? It was ALWAYS going to be someone like this because it was always going to be a Republican. This is what voting for Republican’s means. You get whacko assholes in charge.
Pretty much. Author could have wrote this two weeks ago, and then tweaked a few details before sending it to the editor.
Democrats have some veto power don’t they?
Via the Senate, they do.
Not in the house really, but the President and Senate will be a check on his power.
Dems can pretty much dismiss anything he/the House does in the Senate. Very little he does will make it to Biden’s desk where Biden could veto if need be.
a fundamentalist Christian
Yeah… we just call them christofascists these days.
Nat-c’s for short.
And, he’s 3rd in line to the presidency.
Fucking fascists. This close to control. What a sad state.
Isn’t he second in line after VP?
I think we’re saying the same thing, but just assigning numbers and using language with slight variations.
I agree that we’re trying to say the same thing but the other person who commented is trying to make it an indexing problem so I apologize:
When you’re the president, you are the president. You are not in the line of succession. You are not 0th or 1st in line to be president because you aren’t in the queue.
When you are riding a rollercoaster, you aren’t first in line to ride the rollercoaster. You’re not in line. The person who didn’t make it on the ride is first in line
Depends on if you count the president as 0 or 1
The President isn’t in line to be President. He IS the president. This isn’t an array indexing problem.
When you’re on the roller coaster, you are not first in line to be on the roller coaster. The person who just barely didn’t make it on is first in line.
I did nat-c that coming… yeah, it works.
Nazi and/or traitor work as well
Much shorter, too
I just call them Republicans means the same thing now
Classic. You continue to generalize while ignoring the large diverse reasons these idiots vote this way.
Sure, lets start with racism, homophobia, ignorance, religion and greed. What other reasons do these idiots have for voting for politicians even pond scum looks down on?
Either way, they’re supporting shitty people and making life worse for everyone else just because they can, so fuck em.
Because they are idiots who don’t like the idea that government is imposing on their lives. Forced healthcare, gun restrictions, food restrictions, etc. But yeah let’s paint every single one of them as Nazis. That’s definitely healthy.
But yeah let’s paint every single one of them as Nazis. That’s definitely healthy.
L2read friend, I never said you/they were Nazis, you just might be super sensitive to the fascistic nature of the party. Might be something to reflect on.
I only mused on why idiots constantly vote against their own best interests and continue to elect people that actively make their lives worse. The fact you list ‘forced healthcare’ as a reason to vote for these dipshits is honestly more sad than anything. But hey, enjoy your freedom to pay for the opportunity to be told to fuck off and die when the insurance don’t pay your medical procedure.
I’d love to say that’s a problem that will solve itself, but innocent people will be harmed because of the choices republicans force on the rest of the country. So again, fuck republican voters. I would love to still have compassion for their situation, but I’ve but I long ago ran out of sympathy for those who actively reject the idea of compassion to others.
Go on. It’ll be funny.
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Yup. Always has been. Proven time and time again.
That’s the long way to spell Nazi.
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This next election is going to be an absolute shitshow. I guarantee they’ll refuse to certify the election, and they’ll try to hijack the electoral college (again).
I’m betting on this guy not lasting until November 2024 (not sure what the over/under is on November 17, 2023).
How do you think he’ll get removed? It took them this long to agree on someone to elect, it seems unlikely enough of them would agree to remove him. They could maybe get the Democrats along with a small subset of Republicans to vote him out like the last time, but I’m not sure the Democrats would be up for that. Maybe if they wait until right before the election, but I can’t imagine the GOP being dumb enough to oust the speaker right before elections happen (although that does raise the question of who certifies the election if there’s no speaker. I’m assuming the speaker pro tem?).
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They can oust any and every speaker at will, keeping Congress at a standstill and the government in chaos as long as they can get a simple GOP majority vote.
They don’t need a GOP majority vote. They need a house majority vote. And unless dems have some compelling reason to keep the republican speaker (unlikely), it only takes a handful from the GOP to oust the speaker. I think McCarthy only lost 8 republican votes.
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I tend to agree, but let’s remember that Republicans ousted McCarthy, it only took one member requesting to call for a vote, and they had had a giant number of votes to get him in initially. Those maga Republicans are nutty, I wouldn’t count on them not getting pissed off and trying to break all the toys again.
Yeah, this is the guy the MAGAs could support. The little rebellion is over, and they got what they wanted.
The 119th Congress will be seated on January 3rd 2025 and the presidential election certification will be January 6th. So if the Dems win the majority in 2024, they won’t have the power to deny certificatation outright. Though, I’m sure a minority will still object to every swing state like they did in 2020, just to draw it out.
Fascism just keeps coming back and we gotta stave it off again
Weeds needs trimming. Or in this case punching, stomping, and and a good old dick twist
Sadly they might enjoy all of that.
Matt Gaetz has entered the chat
The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance.
And even if the 119th Congress was exactly the same as this one, the House Republicans can only do so much.
First, they would need to object to Electoral Votes with a Senator. (Unfortunately, this wouldn’t be hard for them to do.) Next, the House and Senate would separate to vote on each objection. Only if both chambers voted to set the Electoral Votes aside would they be set aside.
With a Democratic Senate, this won’t happen.
So the House Republicans can slow things down, but they won’t be able to overturn elections. This isn’t to say that there aren’t threats on the state and local level. There are. And if the Republicans gain control of the House and Senate, I could see them sustaining objections because “it must be fraud if Biden won,” thus giving the election to Trump. That just shows why it’s more important than ever to vote blue.
They are very unlikely to win the majority.
Bold of you to assume that they’ll hang on to their majority. I don’t see how they do.
What are the chances election denial just become the new norm indefinitely?
Yes.
Trump won’t even be on the ballot in most states.
“this one’s marked Jesus Christ”
“Yeah we count those as for the Republican”
Donaghy you magnificent son of a bitch!
I wonder if that also makes write-ins invalid…
Like is he just removed from the ballot, or is he ineligible altogether?
Election law varies from state to state. But generally from what I gather, a write-in candidate is only valid if the candidate registers with the state in advance.
If there’s a winning plurality for Mickey Mouse in your state for a statewide office, it won’t matter. The state won’t be forced to see if there’s anyone there that has the name Mickey Mouse and then pick which (if more than one) was the individual meant by the voters. Someone has to register with the state saying that they’re going to run a write-in campaign for office with name XYZ.
Note that these details are a bit of a side track. The above person was talking about Trump being excluded due to the 14th amendment. However that doesn’t say “not on the ballot” — it invalidates people from office entirely. If applied to Trump, the not being on the ballot would be a consequence of being determined ineligible for office, not a method to make him unable to win. Also it’s all moot: while I think on the face of it the correct action would be to apply the 14th amendment to Trump, the fact of the matter is that this will not happen. States are not going to be willing to risk the political backlash from going down that path, so they will not.
Colorado already did and it has stated it’s Consitutional and allows a 2/3 vote in the U.S. Congress to overturn. We won’t back down from that, the law is the law.
I AM a lawyer, and from what I can see, you’re close but (perhaps unintentionally) misrepresenting the facts, unless you are referring to some other previous action. A judge this week decided to allow a case to proceed that will determine, amongst other things, whether the events of January 6 “constituted an insurrection” and whether Trump “engaged” in insurrection.
I’m referring to what our State Legislators are saying that they will ignore the Supreme Court if they don’t follow the Consitution in favor or partisan politics. The law is the law and the Supreme Court cannot rewrite what the Consitution says.
We have a case in colorado that is going forward I believe
States are not going to be willing to risk the political backlash from going down that path, so they will not.
Many states already are going down that path. Are you saying the judges won’t vote in the people’s favor bringing the suit?
What I’ll say is the only states doing this wouldn’t vote for him anyhow. It’s important that this happen, but let’s be real.
“All states” is the only thing that would directly, functionally impact results.
Arizona is red and Michigan is purple. New Hampshire and Minnesota are very close to purple. Colorado is blue. The down ticket will mess their shit up as well.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ballots-14th-amendment-jan6-insurrection-1825503
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ballots-14th-amendment-jan6-insurrection-1825503
Wait really?
No. Not really. Not even a little bit.
There ARE legal challenges in some states, however. To date, none of those are even close to being settled
Outrageously false.
There is nothing that even comes close to settling that in any state at this point. Any speculation on the matter is as good as a handful of shit. Less, maybe.
Colorado has already blocked him from the ballot under the 14th Amendment Section three. Only a 2/3 vote in Congress will change that.
“Survives legal challenge” does not mean it’s settled. There is a long fucking way to go here.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/21/politics/colorado-lawsuit-trump-ballot/index.html
“Can move forward” means “definitely still in process”
“Could keep trump off the ballot” means “still eligible to be on the ballot”
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And for the record, the person you’re responding to is flat out wrong. Colorado has ABSOLUTELY NOT made any sort of legal ruling to settle that suit
Colorado has been the tip of the spear for legislation nation wide for decades now. It’s what we do.
As a Coloradan - Put the weed down and step away from the keyboard. I love this state as much as the next guy, but you are out of your mind if you think this state is the tip of the spear.
Your flag is a bit naff.
Hopefully, but I also doubt that will stop them trying to elect him anyway. Or if not him I’m sure they’ll find someone worse. I doubt we’re going to see another Democrat elected in the next few elections that doesn’t result in them trying to refuse to certify the election and just in general whine and complain while throwing around baseless accusations. If we’re lucky that’s as far as it goes, but considering how many parallels to 1920s Germany we’re seeing lately I’m very worried the MAGAts recent fascist dabblings are just a taste of things to come.
What do we call 200 people who sit together with 20 Fascists?
- Nazis
- Republicans
They’re the same.
- United Russia
These look the same to me. ;)
I’m just surprised the space bar allowed me to put so much distance between them tbh.
220 fascists
They need 220 Volts and 220 Amperes
When McCarthy was removed, I thought it was a mistake for Democrats not to support him. Now this new guy does seem worse. I guess we’ll know soon enough, when it’s time to avert a shutdown again.
Why would the Democrats support someone who went back on almost everything he told them he’d stand for? “But the new guy will be worse” when someone shows you who they are, Believe them.
The guy who was elected has shown us he’s a dedicated election denier tho! It was never going to be someone more trustworthy in that shit show of a caucus.
Not only went back on, but went on media programs blaming Democrats for everything even when it was the Freedom Caucus doing it. Even if McCarthy made a deal with them, there was no way that the Democrats could trust that he’d uphold his end of the deal.
But it’s not about the balance of the deal, it’d be helping the moderate Republicans from voting in, well, this guy.
Besides, I think it would have been politically embarrassing to be saved by the Democrats.
Who the fuck cares if it appeases his base while keeping whatever semblance of sanity is left in the house.
The fact that McCarthy went back on promises to Democrats because of demands from the far right fringe made him too untrustworthy to Democrats, I don’t see how they could vote for him.
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Old boss is always a dick until you meet the new one.
Democrats have every reason to let Republicans boil in their own vomit. They do need to do something about the coming government shut down and get Ukraine funding back. And let’s face it, they want to fund Israel’s military operations, too.
They could afford to wait a bit, though. They got a few weeks of news cycles that were nothing but Republican dysfunction. All they had to do was vote out McCarthy and pop open a beer.
Eh, fuck him.
Let the “moderate” Republicans eat cake.
I give him 26 Emmers before he drops out.
How much is that in mooches?
I’m pessimistic on this. Johnson isn’t going to be removed from the Speakership, when Johnson is sucking on Trump’s dick.
I hope that the Democrats hit every swing district saying that their Republican member voted for this shit bag and they lacked “patriotism” to stand up to Trump.
Are you saying this fella could very well open a multi-billion dollar conglomerate and operate under the name Johnson in Johnson?
I would love to see that.
when Johnson is sucking on Trump’s dick
idk, sounds a little too overtly gay for Republicans
I’m pretty sure that they will find some way to hand wave it away. I mean Republicans are great at being hypocrites.
Constantly… paging Lauren Hoebert to the white courtesy phone, paging Hoebert to the white courtesy phone…
There’s sadly no dropping out, the deal is sealed and this guy is the next speaker. He can resign the post, but I don’t think he intends to.
Yeah, he’ll get trounced by someone in his own party though, like the last one did.
*NATional - Christian party has a new speaker.
American Fascist Party
Let’s get this gummit shutdown underway.
Except it’s threatening to delay my union vote at work. Our hospital corporation is deliberately stalling in hopes the government will shut down and the NLRB won’t be available to oversee our vote. Our union is busy pushing NLRB to get it done already.
Yup. Dude is a crackpot that wants to defund everything.
The republic is long since dead. It just hasn’t realized it enough to lie down in its grave quietly while everything unravels. All three branches and the 4th estate are terminal.
Biden was elected in an effort to stave off dictatorship, against all odds.
Workers are taking their rights back.
We’re investing in progressive technologies.
This country is troubled, but not dead by any means
This is like 1930s Germany all over again
Well, except that we voted out baby hands Hitler after he got into the seat of power already, which did not happen in Germany.
And the Nazi party was a new group, whereas far right conservatives today are overtaking one of the oldest political parties in the country.
And there isn’t an explicit road map of races the conservatives are trying to cleanse, just implied and practical racism, nationalism, institutionalism.
And Germany was undergoing some of the weakest points in its history, both economically and socially, while the US today is enjoying a very strong economy and shockingly strong social movements.
I agree that some conservatives are trying to turn the states into 1930s Germany, but we are not at that level and it’s been proved that the easiest way to guard against fascism is to vote against wannabe dictators.
And there isn’t an explicit road map of races the conservatives are trying to cleanse
They’ve made considerable progress towards their goal of annihilating trans people through state legislation with more than 500 bills written and are trying at every opportunity to do so at a national level. It’s written down on all their platforms and they’ve written hundreds of pages on how they’re going to accomplish it.
Modern US conservatives are trying to implicitly suppress awareness and expression of non-binary genders, but rapist president didn’t distribute an explicit list of genders that must be exterminated based on inferiority and the public is not going along with far-right conservative fear-based victimizing ideals.
The campaign against minorities is abhorrent, but not an explicit acted-upon state-run and public-supported effort to exterminate minorities.
The highest office was voted away from an incumbent conservative largely because of his bigotry.
There are parallels, but it’s not the same situation as 1930s Germany.
Right except we aren’t using wheelbarrows of cash to buy bread.
But ask any liberal (which is the majority of both Democrats and Republicans, it’s a political economics term) or listen to the media and the sky is falling.
The same exact diatribe is played out whenever the workers, whom are the vast, vast majority, demand more than psuedo-slavery.
For a quick self reference point for everyone - subsistence living, a la fuedalistic serfs, or agrarian society pre-capitalism, is so far ahead of the poverty we experience today. You need land. You need a house. Farm animals, tooling. It’d take a halfmil to get to as poor as a fuedal serf - who worked less than we do now.
If you receive a paycheck from someone, you aren’t middle class, you are working class. Working class is used interchangeablely with working poor.
If your life can be reduced to you having the freedom to choose how you get to work and what to ingest to stay healthy enough to work - and that’s basically it - you’re a slave who pays for their own room and board. You don’t actually have any freedom. You’re given meaningless choices that effect society in almost no way and told you’re free.
I have seen people and been to places where they live in home that is some sticks and a tarp across it next to a neighbor who isn’t doing any better. Where sewage poured into the streets.
I hate this super condensed view of things. You have an Internet connection means about a billion people on earth would murder you for the wealth you have.
For a second I thought you were talking about the sugar cane shanty towns in Florida. But despite living in one room shacks with broken foundations and corrugated steel roofs, the cane cutter families do have functional plumbing and sewage.
Yes, to people crying that the sky is falling.
But most of the arguments you’re making are inaccurate and complain about your own sky falling.
We are not poorer than serfs, and you can get a plot of land and house today for pretty cheapb(sub 30000) or less free than feudal serfs.
It’s in the zeitgeist to glorify serfs these days, and if you’re very strict about how you judge work time and siestas, you can make the argument that we work more than feudal serfs.
But serfs repaired their own clothes and they lived in huts and they were property of their lords. They woke up earlier than you did and if any of their tools weren’t ready or in good repair, they’d have to make them already themselves. They’d have to feed all of the animals themselves, they’d have to check all of their crops, maintain their land and houses that they did not own, make all of their food for themselves, and give away the products of their labor.
They didn’t take days off, they didn’t have medical or financial resources to call on or research, it just was not a great life.
And they belong to someone else.
The United States has a pretty bad history of workers rights, but it has improved significantly every time workers banned together and try to make a difference en masse.
If you don’t like your job, you can just move to another job. If you don’t like your state you can just move to another state that suits your lifestyle better. If you don’t like this country, you can just move to another country.
These luxuries of opportunity were unimaginable to serfs, who belongs to their lords and produced for them, not themselves.
The situation is direct for jerky people here, and the working class is expanding, but hearkening to the good old days of belonging to someone else ignores the freedoms and radical conveniences our poor enjoy today
There’s a long way to go, but living today and working today is better than living and working as feudal chattel.
“A Republic, if you can keep it.”
from Franklin’s grave:
“Figured they wouldn’t be able to.”
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Republicans will always elect the worst possible candidate
