I was at a pro-Palestine campus protest and there were times where I was instinctively uncomfortable because they were really hammering in the whole bit about reported ‘antisemitic action on campus’ being a non-issue and I had to remind myself that they aren’t talking about people acting against Jews, they’re talking about people acting against Israel.
It’s my most personal and privileged grievance against Israel. I no longer know if a supposed threat to my safety is a bullshit bludgeon to silence pro-Palestine voices or if the yank reich is actually in town and I need to commute for the rest of the week.
I’ll never forgive them for it. I’ll never forgive them for a lot of things, but this is the most personal grievance I have, and since I’m born and raised a cracker suburbanite, it’s the only one I truly, directly feel in my personal life.
I don’t want this to override, you know, the actually important grievances that are at stake for Palestine here, and I don’t want to make myself the center of this issue when I’m very much not at all, but I guess I’ve just been stewing in this for a bit, and I want to uncap it before it somehow causes me to become a weird crank through lack of addressing the root of the issue and it festering into my belief system 
Reading the comments here are mindblowing. A thread like this would have have never survived on reddit. It would have been a sea of “removed by moderator” And the worthy discussion would not have been had.
“Never again,” not in the world peace kind of way but the how “you’ll never do this again to me”, tragic making of an angry bully story, kind of way.
Yep. ‘Never again’ is a threat, not a resolution.
“muh anti-isreal = antisemetism!!111!!1”
Funny because the way isntreal has treated the indigenous arab semetic minority ethnic groups which were living on the Palestinian land they stole would make the nazis and americans nod in approval. The conflation of Israel with Judaism and the normalization of the genocide which was intentionally carried out to bring it into existence, has been one of the most successful western liberal psyops as of late.
I think my least favorite aspect of this is being told it is in fact I, the anti-zionist jew, who is the antisemite and self-hating jew because I don’t want to support zionist genocide. just makes me see red. I don’t know how they justify it to themselves.
I feel the same way
It’s the same projection as when they accuse Hamas of war crimes, every one of their accusations is a confession
I met a Palestinian in college in my freshman year who told me all about how badly they had been treated growing up, and it forever changed my outlook about the conflict.
College campuses are the only place in America where there’s a chance to break through the propaganda
this was always the problem with a country calling itself the ‘Jewish state’, putting the Star of David on their flag, and claiming to represent all Jews - all the while committing horrific atrocities. firstly, they use anti-semitism as a cudgel to silence support for Palestinians and trivialize the term. but there are also a non-trivial amount of people out there who are going to blame all Jews for Israel’s actions. Israel then benefits from creating this anti-semitism because more Jews think “maybe it’s true I’m not safe here” and either support Israel or decide to move there to further colonize it.
Israel then benefits from creating this anti-semitism because more Jews think “maybe it’s true I’m not safe here” and either support Israel or decide to move there to further colonize it.
which is doubly ironic, because the worst thing you could possibly do to avoid genocide is move all your people into one small place.
It’s interesting to me how, just like many other settler groups like the Boer republics and the founders of Rhodesia, the early zionists managed to huff enough of the
supremacist ideology that they thought trying to establish a small independent ethnostate surrounded by “hostile” neighbors would be feasible in the long run and not end badly. Doubly-so for the ones who convinced themselves that they could “resist imperialism” and get by without a superpower patron to shield them (all the nutters in Lehi and Irgun, Golda Meir initially), when that’s practically the only reason Israel stands today. Must have been quite the sobering moment when they saw all the settler-states they modeled themselves after fall one by one.
Just had this exact discussion in the bulletin thread.
Anti semetism means nothing any more. It’s a been used as a weapon for decades now and i think we are at the point where it just doesn’t hold weight.
nah, it still has its old (real) meaning. and i think europe’s gonna remind the world what real antisemitism looks like soonish. when the collapse really starts to hurt their fascists, they’ll rediscover their roots.
the Ukrainians for example are real anti-semites
also we’ve had anti semitism in Europe ever since the romans decided that anyone who won’t worship the roman gods is also unfilial and plotting against roman society it’s not going away easy
yep. as i like to say, antisemitism is an older “pillar” of european culture than christianity.
On that video of the Likud government person interviewed on RT threatening the Russians, he calls Hamas Nazis. Which I find the craziest use of the word. I guess it truly is anyone against Israel is going to be labeled not just antisemitic, but a Nazi.
The Israeli ambassador to the UN made a speech to the UN General Assembly today calling Hamas Nazis. Only 1 minute 45 seconds in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7tmepPKIJE
Israel has killed so far 38 UN humanitarian workers and bombed UN humanitarian sites in Gaza. Why are they even welcome at UN meetings?
Because the UN is completely subservient to the US empire, and they said their vassal state can bomb whoever they want.
its literally in New York.
New York shouldn’t be subservient to the US empire either
Really good question!
the un is pretty much an arm of the us government
They’ve called for the general secretary to step down for his tepid support for Palestinians Civilians too lol
I call it the “boy who cried wolf” effect. There’s the old fable of the boy who cries wolf, gets the whole village to come out, he laughs at them, etc. They go back into their homes. He does this so many times they stop believing him. Then he gets mauled to death when a wolf really shows up. Of course that’s not how wolves behave, blah blah blah but you get the point.
It’s not really a good take on it because it’s not like Jewish people in general listen to this shit, it’s literally just zionist
When the wolves come it’s not the state of Israel that gets devoured, it’s the rest of the normal people that have had their terms misused that do
yeah, you’re right, it’s not a good analogy. I can’t think of a better one though.
It’s the boy who cried wolf except he’s doing it to a village actively being devoured by wolves, also the boy brought the wolves into the village
Kinda funny how the terms “Semite” “Aryan” and “Caucasian” were all redefined to mean the same bunch of people who are almost genetically indistinguishable from each other (and not the best exemplars of any of the three names)
we need MORE SILLY NAMES FOR WHITE PEOPLE
I mean, you can’t really distinguish groups of people based on genetic analysis because ethnicity is more of a social construct than a biological reality.
The social construct creates the biological reality
over time, people who identify as X, and are okay with mixing with other self-identified Xs, mix and homogenize into an actual distinct population
this is what neoreactionaries try to ignore when they talk about “homogenous societies”. It’s not always the homogeneity that creates the altruism, it’s the other way around
From an idealist liberal perspective: We are all familiar with the concept of the separation of church and state, but I think the common conception of this is a fear of the church corrupting the state. I think a lot less consideration is put into the countless ways the state corrupts the church.
anti-apartheid rap idea:
yo yo yo Zionists be the real antisemites
(but actually though, the idea that Jews have some homeland that’s far, far away from Europe while Christians are home wherever they find themselves is blantant antisemitism)
The jewish community in Graz uninvited the communist party from their holocaust memorial day, because they where against the raising of the israeli flag on the city hall. So many jewish anti zionist communist (bundisten) where killed in the holocaust and also a lot of communists (in germany about 20% of the communist party members ~70,000) where killed in the concentration camps and even before. What disgrace these zionists are.
It’s a serious problem and a criticism that doesn’t get levied at Israel enough. Antisemitism is a serious and rife problem still in the world, but so long as it keeps getting leveraged by a nation (that claims to speak both for an entire ethnicity and religion) that deliberately muddies the language to justify war crimes, the very real issue of antisemitic racism becomes ten-fold harder to address for the sole reason that it’s impossible to talk about in widely understood terms.
I feel this so much
It wasn’t until about a week into this that I even began to process what had happened the week or 2 prior, when the entirety of Canadian parliament gave a standing ovation to a literal nazi SS officer as a “Ukrainian resistance fighter against the Soviets”
The Jewish side of my family has a Ukrainian side and family members whose names I’ll never know were murdered in the Holocaust no different than what the Palestinians are being subjected to today and it wasn’t until after that first week that I really thought about how that specific SS officer was provably personally responsible for the murder of my family and that he got to live a long comfortable life without ever paying for what he did
It was in that moment of clarity that I thought, “Oh, this must be what Norman Finkelstein feels like all the time” I bet it’s similar for Palestinians who have to see the faces of people on TV who are personally responsible for murdering their family members only it must be worse because they know the victims personally and the monsters they see on TV are in charge of everything, not just being honored for a day like that nazi
Words fail to describe my sorrow and rage
