Now I can finally catch up with my backlog!
I hope all the industry did that kind of hiatus then (?
How’s that boot taste?
As far as I’m aware, neither of the striking unions have called for a consumer boycott.
It’s just kind of disgusting to be saying this shit jovially when people’s lives and families are at stake and actors are publicly threatening to burn down CEO’s homes. It reeks of sociopathic shit having absolutely no empathy or support for what people are going through.
He clarified his words after some people naturally started to take it a little too literally, but I don’t think he needed to.
Whoever that “anonymous exec” was who said they wouldn’t even start to negotiate until strikers started losing their homes deserves to be pilloried.
He clarified his words after some people naturally started to take it a little too literally, but I don’t think he needed to.
Whoever that “anonymous exec” was who said they wouldn’t even start to negotiate until strikers started losing their homes deserves to be pilloried.
Pretty sure this walk back is simply because of the legal implications. It’s pretty obvious what he meant.
Pillory is too nice for them.
Idunno, the pillory could get pretty brutal if the crowd was sufficiently riled up. It wasn’t uncommon for people to bring stones or bricks.
I don’t know why you got downvoted. Because you watch TV? So what? Either way, I liked your comment!
Solidarity ✊
Hollywood is dead anyway. They just make superhero movies for china now
Fuck hollywood.
This would be good opportunity for people to start new film studios and such, founded on more equal profit sharing. Let greedy pieces of shit shrivel and die without labor to exploit. There is no negotiating with those kinds of people as they will just try to find ways to force and manipulate people to do what they want.
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Probably the best thing that can happen to the world right now…
/Bye Felicia
Wow it’s almost like people’s tolerance for ruthless exploitation isn’t infinite. Hollywood’s disgusting parasitic grifters can get fucked.
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Is $25,000 per annum a living wage LA? To think that these are getting so little is nuts.
Good. They make crap anyways.
On one hand, Hollywood is abusive both economically and ethically. On the other hand, I despise copyright-based industries and the workers that uphold them. I can’t bring myself to support anyone in this conflict.
incredibly based. fuck the execs. fucking parasites
Personally I think actors and writers are overpaid, but I support their right to strike. I also support the studios avoiding the strike by avoiding all SAG actors and other guilds because like I don’t think they’re that much better than non-union members
The super famous ones do but for every one of them there are thousands of poorly paid ones. What the studios are doing would remove the possibility of even becoming well paid in the future. These strikes are about helping the people not at the top, and about protecting their upward mobility.
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The median income of SAG-AFTRA members is under $26K a year. A tiny, tiny percentage of actors are what you would call rich or even well off. Most have a second job and still struggle to pay rent.
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You need to remember that this isn’t just about people at the top. Day players get $1000 a day for what can be a 20-hour day for a two-week shoot and then get nothing for a few months. They barely qualify for health insurance, which is often the reason they do it. They are, if anything underpaid.
Yes, there are extremely wealthy SAG-AFTRA members. There are also SAG-AFTRA members living in one-bedroom apartments.
One of the main features of this strike is the companies are trying to get extras to sign away their likenesses. The companies then intend to use their likenesses “for eternity and in every universe” (the actual wording) as computer generated images to abolish their jobs entirely. Actors are not particularly happy about the attempt to get them to do work that will abolish their own existence, and the higher paid actors see it as inevitable that this expands to include them to if they don’t fight it now.
There is nobody avoiding the strike at this point. Everything has ground to a halt. If anything starts again the guilds for crews, camera operators etc are planning to join.
I do agree that it’s bullshit to pressure actors into signing away their likeness and knew this was a main feature, but SAG is joining the wave that WAG started and I don’t support increasing their residuals. WAG and SAG are basically the cool kids club of landed gentry. I believe people should be able to form unions to pursue self interests, but that doesn’t mean I blindly support every union strike.
Regarding union strikes, I personally don’t get why sanitation workers don’t strike to get a lot more money, they certainly deserve it.
Regarding union strikes, I personally don’t get why sanitation workers don’t strike to get a lot more money, they certainly deserve it.
Mostly caused by a lack of radical leadership. You tend to find the unions getting shit done have reds running them, often from groups like the IWW or other entryist parties or salters (Chris Smalls amazon union are leninists and it took an absolutely massive salting effort to achieve), doing work in this space is extremely difficult because entrenched liberals are do-nothings and shifting them out of leaderships is not simple as reaching workers and convincing them that the leadership is trash is a lot of long and very hard effort that often requires salting the workplace as well.
So tldr it’s about getting the people that want to stir shit up into those leadership positions and those people aren’t liberals.
What does salter mean in this context?
Salting is where many people join a company specifically with the goal of organising it and forming unions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salting_(union_organizing)
These people will then work as organised cells within companies to spread propaganda and shift the rest of the workers towards a position that will result in an eventual successful union vote.
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Man, this comment is naive as hell. I’m disappointed to see so much anti-labor sentiment here. But what else should I expect from that username.
It’s really only one dude spamming every comment with replies lol
What do you mean? I’m not anti-labor. I’m pro-progress.
Do you also think people shouldn’t be allowed to pump their own gas so someone else has a job?
You’re talking about ruining the lives of tens of thousands of people with families and children, have some fucking empathy you psychopath.
I think this is a little hyperbolic?
The vast majority of those actors have other careers.
“Ruining lives” probably isn’t accurate.
No, I’m not lol.
Calm down. Your emotions are controlling your argument.
These actors will do just fine if they can never act again. They’d just have to get a regular job like anyone else.
They’ll still be living a higher quality of life while working less than the vast majority of people on the planet.
You’re just mad that someone says we shouldn’t be passing a bunch of money around at the top. I suggest you brush up on the definitions of ‘want’ and ‘need’ because you call me a sociopath.
They don’t need more money. They want it, plain and simple.
I don’t care for people who want more money. Because they get it, others who need it don’t.
People who need more money don’t ask for it. And those that don’t do. Sounds like a totally fabricated answer.
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What? I think you’re just saying things, lol.
People who need more money don’t ask for it. And those that don’t do. Sounds like a totally fabricated answer.
People who need more money don’t ask for it. And those that don’t do. Sounds like a totally fabricated answer.
People who need more money don’t ask for it. And those that don’t do. Sounds like a totally fabricated answer.
Whole lot of the bigger establishments have been going through the ringer lately
I honestly don’t know how I feel. Most content feels like ‘consume our product/content and give us monthly fee’ instead of nice shows and movies. Everything seems to have a point where it pulls me out and I find myself questioning if I’m crazy or if everything feels like shit.
There are some amazing gems, but for years it feels like Hollywood has cared less and less about making cool and engaging media and are instead of focusing on manipulating people.
I’m sure the problem is coming from the top, but writers and actors have been pretty shit too
If you want a gem, I recommend checking out Undone. It’s by the same guy who made Bojack Horseman.
You can stream it for free here: https://fmovies.to/tv/undone-70zyj/1-1
Just make sure you have a good adblocker, like uBlock Origin.
Actors and writers use what they’re fed, this is 99% on movie execs.
I’ve barely even noticed this writers strike because I’ve hardly even bothered to watch any new Hollywood movies or TV shows in literally years. Everything I have seen recently has been complete garbage. So I find myself watching older shows again and again, more YouTube content, educational and history stuff like that…heck, I’ve been following some modern film critics like Red Letter Media and just watch their commentary vs the real thing, and it’s usually much more entertaining.
I think Hollywood is going to use this opportunity to replace the writers with AI. If it works great, if it doesn’t work, nobody will notice or care.
Other than the nightly shows, you won’t be seeing the impacts of these strikes for months. Films and shows take a lot of time to go from inception to finished product. For movies I wouldn’t be surprised if the impact doesn’t happen until next year.
To wit – we’re just now, seeing the tail-end of a lot of the COVID-19 shutdowns percolate up through the delayed releases and shortened seasons for a bunch of shows, and most of those shutdowns were gosh, almost 2 years ago now.
I subscribed to Britbox and find the writing and acting of much higher quality. Plus, the stories are generally more interesting with more feeling. I mainly watch that, watchTCM, and certain YouTube channels.
I think that’s in part due to nepotism. It seems like everyone who’s successfully in entertainment is the child or grandchild of someone else who was successful in entertainment. The same is true for the music industry and its starting to become true in the AAA gaming industry.
When people start to get those jobs because of their family connections rather than their ability everything goes downhill. The most obvious example outside of entertainment is politics.
You’re worried about the 1%, this is about the 99% behind the scenes, doing supporting roles, building sets, etc . Don’t let movie execs take your eyes off the prize, that’s what they want.
I’m interested to see how Hollywood evolves post strike. Hoping that this will allow Writers and Actors more agency when making their products rather than having to conform to whatever shitty money grubbing practices that the Execs usually force on them
This is one of the reasons why I strongly believe that if you want to do any kind of art and are passionate for it, you should never make your income depend on it. It’s why even though I’ve studied Masters in game development and was always passionate about games, I work as a Red Teamer in cybersecurity instead, and then work on my games as a hobby.
And especially if we’re talking about games, where you can just get a regular IT job as a programmer that pays more than you will ever make (assuming you don’t get to work on a AAA project, but the you basically have zero agency about the game and are still just a code monkey), the best course of action (which I regret not doing, but my classmate did and is a lot better for it) is to just take advantage of the fact that IT pays comfortably, but instead of just making more money just work parttime for a “regular” pay, and use the free time for your projects.
But every time an art becomes business, it will inevitably suffer for it. There are rare cases of small indie studios getting lucky to be able to uphold their vision and still earn enough to afford paying their employees comfortably, but sooner or later you get into a point where you just have to start considering stuff around marketing that’s totally unrelated to the art in itself, but usually forces you to compromise your vision
I’m actually pretty glad that generative AIs will probably really soon replace most of the artists required for mass production of such big budget commercial titles - because then the only option of someone who wants to do that kind of art will be a smaller indie studio or a hobby project, which may not be as successful and will probably end up as a niche, but it will also mean that a lot less artists end up with their passion sucked out and destroyed by execs forcing them to do shitty generic money grubbing stuff - because that will be done by AIs, and keep on being as generic as it is now.
Having 20 writers so you don’t have to pay them as much really dilutes any narrative structure.
Gonna offer my two cents as someone who entered the industry during the last writer’s strike. You’ll see some interesting creative divergence as said creatives crave expression and reach out to new venues like YouTube for the first time. It was one of many changes to the industry at that (and now this) time. I use generative tech because it’s part of this exploration of the taboo. Back then, YouTube was the taboo because it was effectively working for free and with no insurance or protection by comparison to a stable studio gig. Take away the studio gig, anything and everything could be opportunity for change and especially so the longer this goes on tbf.
Oh boy at this point most of them are just fighting for their jobs, not even worried about actually making the work they want to be. If thats the kind of change you want to see in Hollywood, its gotta come from the consumer.
Hopefully the number of bombs this year is the message the consumer needed to send.
Everything is shit. Quality is down and prices are up.
People gladly have been lowering their standards for years so those profiting off of them can make even more money.
Most actors are awful these days. Like, look at Chris Pratt lmao. That guy is terrible but very popular among children and manchildren.
We don’t have this generations’ Tom Hanks yet.
The only way to watch live action stuff that isn’t kiddie-bullshit is to watch things in other languages. They still have integrity and aren’t just loading their actors up on cocaine to cover up bad acting.
Banshees of Inisherin? The Whale? Everything Everywhere All At Once? Succession? The Bear?
There’s loads of great acting out there. Maybe the issue is you’re buying tickets to Chris Pratt instead of other things?
But are those the things that get marketing? I’m with you on loving that content, but none of the main theatres in my area (a city of 7 million) even show them. A couple will put them into the standard screen theatres at oddball times to fulfill their contracts, but the good content is in the local dollar theatres where, of course, the movie gets less traffic.
I think what they’re saying is that the movies that you’re “supposed” to watch are things like those god awful Harry Potter prequels (literally any fanfic amateur could have written them better), the ten thousandth Marvel movie (seriously, just stop), or those Adam-Sandler style low effort white trash movies that run solely on the recognition of the probably male and supposedly “so talented” lead actor.
When most people pick movies to watch in a theatre it’s typically based on which movie no one will object to. So it needs a bit of action, a bit of romance, a bit of comedy… It also needs to have brand/actor recognition. So you get Marvel. There’s nothing wrong with this, but it’s a different market from the one you’re in.
But are those the things that get marketing? I’m with you on loving that content, but none of the main theatres in my area (a city of 7 million) even show them. A couple will put them into the standard screen theatres at oddball times to fulfill their contracts, but the good content is in the local dollar theatres where, of course, the movie gets less traffic.
I think what they’re saying is that the movies that you’re “supposed” to watch are things like those god awful Harry Potter prequels (literally any fanfic amateur could have written them better), the ten thousandth Marvel movie (seriously, just stop), or those Adam-Sandler style low effort white trash movies that run solely on the recognition of the probably male and supposedly “so talented” lead actor.
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The big name movies now are so cringeworthy and require zero thought on the part of the viewer. I’d be almost embarrassed to go watch them. The worst part is that I used to watch them because there was just nothing else to see, until one day I was so bored that I walked out of the theatre. To my surprise, I was even approached and given a refund by the manager without asking… maybe they watched it too and understood the pain.
You are equating “big name” with quality. That has almost never been true since movie blockbusters became a thing. Go ask any movie history buff/expert. You are very wrong if you think blockbusters were some kind of artsy tear jerkering, mind bending, raved over by critics products. They’ve almost always been formulaic.
But the first blockbuster movie is an arthouse masterpiece that really makes you look deep within yourself and wonder how big a shark could actually be.
Jaws. It was Jaws.
Um. So watch other languages. They have integrity and.no coke. Cause coke actors… they are low paid and have to stay up and beat their bodies down to get paid.
Got it. This is fascinating fabrications Your imaginations almost rivals your thoughts.
Ok. Believe what you want and watch what you want.
This is probably the worst take I’ve ever heard. It’s actually amazing how much i disagree with almost everything you’ve written here.
And, Tom Hanks is still acting, Tom Hanks is literally this generations Tom Hanks.
There’s so much excellent acting and directing in the world at the moment i just can’t fathom how you have come to your conclusions.
I’m sorry, we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.
Hope you like the new marvel movie coming out.
Yes, only marvel movies come out now. Everything else is actually banned at the moment. Christ, your takes are fucking awful.
Chris Pratt is definitely not a great actor, he’s mediocre at best. However, he’s in tons of blockbuster movies so that’s why he’s popular, not necessarily because people think he’s talented.
The other stuff you said is just nonsense. There are tons of great, well written, acted, and directed movies. You just have to look outside the mainstream/blockbuster releases. If you only focus on the big releases from major studios like Disney, then yeah you’ll think that it’s nothing but shallow garbage. But there’s way more content nowadays, so it’s harder to sift thru the massive diluge of content out there.
There are not ‘tons.’ There is very few quality content out there these days.
I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but it’s becoming harder and harder to find in a sea of shit perpetuated by people with low standards.
As a gen X I can tell you that quality is not down and that you have tunnel vision. Go watch some 80s/90s shows lmao. Most are garbage, with only a few gems. It has definitely gotten better as competition increased.
There’s a bit of a point there, though. As summarized by Futurama,
Fry: Married? Jenny can’t get married.
Leela: Why not? It’s clever, it’s unexpected.
Fry: But that’s not why people watch TV. Clever things make people feel stupid, and unexpected things make them feel scared.
Hollywood caters to what people want. What people want is often not “good”.
We remember the good movies and forget the schlock. We remember 1976 as “Taxi Driver” and not “The Gumball Rally”.
