Who cares what he thinks? He can go pound sand.
Why is it anytime one of these republicans opens their mouth I know they’re going to say something infuriatingly regressive, backwards, and going to try to fuck someone over with their view?
Because they only get famous enough to get votes by being outrageous enough to score headlines.
They’re very similar to the Taliban in that regards.
I think you just defined conservatism.
The latest episode of the Know Your Enemy podcast had some interesting words about why the republican party can’t govern or correct itself in the final ~10 minutes of the episode. I didn’t get to finish because of life stuff, so I rewound to re-listen later today (awake with insomnia rn, not ready to digest).
Sorry for this empty post where I didn’t convey their ideas. It was something about campaign finance and how McCain / Feingold created a channel for the worst (like Gaetz) to act like shitheads.
The great thing about democracy is that you can have a personal opinion about a particular issue, and still defend the rights of people to act in opposition to your opinion, because those actions do not infringe on the rights of anyone else.
Unfortunately (yes, I am about to say it again), the House is controlled by the American Fascist Party.
Whose leader has been Thrice divorced…
And he’s definitely paid for abortions even though he won’t admit it.
I didn’t like divorce either until I understood why my parents got one.
Yeah I didn’t get it when I was a kid, but turns out my mom was a fucking lunatic so 👍
America is fascinating. Just a giant church of hypocrisy with a tonne of guns
Love your username btw. You should really join the Thread where you post AI generated images using only your username as the prompt 😄
Oh lord. I don’t wanna see that hahah
It all makes a lot of sense when you realize that the pilgrim fathers didn’t travel to America to be free from persecution, but mostly to be free to persecute.
Einstein was wrong. Time travel has to be possible. I came here expecting ppl to pile onto the guy. Instead, I get debates about divorce like it was 1855!
You Americans are a wild bunch, I tell ya.
And to the people about to comment that I should not inject myself into debates into U.S. politics as foreigner: I’ll stop that the moment this community gets renamed to USpolitics.
community gets renamed to USpolitics.
You can stop doing that now. You don’t need to wait to other people accommodate your threats.
It does America no good to constantly have our heads so far up or collective rectum that we forget the are 190ish other countries with different, often successful ideas. But we have grown up being taught American exceptionalism and manifest destiny - I remember sections of our history book titled the same and it was either presented without critique or the critique was subtle enough that it went over our heads.
I’m just explaining that quite a lot of us believe we are literally the best country in the world and dismiss other countries without thought. Ironic that we call ourselves a melting pot of the best of every culture. Anyway, it’s useful to have people come in and go, “y’all are a bunch of nutbags.” Because we are, and perhaps we are exceptional in that way.
I don’t recall being taught that in school.
Wow yeah must be a surprise to learn that a nation of over 280 million people from diverse backgrounds don’t share the exact same opinion on a topic. Crazy that our social media platforms doesn’t act as an echo chamber serving to reinforce your beliefs in particular…
Oh, I don’t, yet there are those opinions that should not be divisive. Like “You should not murder people” or “you should not force people to stay together because trapping them in their misery will make feel you better”
Yet you make this comment in a post about divorce (͡•_ ͡• )
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'Murican here. Given that our politics are absolutely fucked, I’d say keep the constructive foreign insight coming.
Of course, the moment the constructive criticism is only coming from the outside will be when it gets labeled as foreign manipulation to further cement tribalistic mentality and provide fresh out-groups to hate and fear.
I only see one guy against divorce and they’re heavily down voted.
Yeah, but the fact that people actually enter into arguments with the guy tell me that there are debates held about this at all… which is nuts!
You really overestimate the values of the average person
A debate, to me implies two rational actors presenting their viewpoints and then defending them with facts. That guy has done nothing more than say it’s wrong then refuse to elaborate so again to me, it can’t be considered a debate any more than convincing a child to eat it’s dinner would be considered one.
It’s one dude arguing with everyone else.
He doesn’t like divorce because he doesn’t want to be single. His wife didn’t even show up to his event.
Someone actually married this guy?
She’s exhausted from being on her knees praying. Or something. It was quite a bizarre comment he made.
More like he’s closeted and she’s too busy getting railed by the mail man to bother going to his events. When people are this anti gay, I just know it’s because they hate something about themselves and are projecting it on everyone else.
Holy shit hahahaha. What a loser
Wait for real? His wife wasn’t there?
It was 14 hours between his nomination and the speech. According to NPR , she couldn’t get a flight. Dude is still an assclown.
Oh that makes sense. I didn’t think about the insane timeframe. Everything political feels like it’s in slow motion.
I still run into men all the time that lament no fault divorce as being one of the worst things that ever happened in this country (along with Roe and women being able to have their own bank account/credit line, of course).
Please refer them to this comment next time you run into them:
Y’all are some punk ass bitches. Grow up and stop being a weak-kneed, cowardly, controlling asshole. If you want someone to love you, then be worthy of their love.
They don’t want to br worthy of love, they just want someone they can fuck and control that’s it. If it was about wanting love they’d change their mindset for the better.
They don’t want to br worthy of love, they just want someone they can fuck and control that’s it. If it was about wanting love they’d change their mindset for the better.
They just want someone that takes care of them unconditionally. Just like their mum probably used to do. Some men are so fucking clueless when it comes to the basics of housekeeping. I’m glad my father set the correct example for me, as I now try to do for my kid.
When a woman has had it with the big baby and goes her own way, the adult toddler is left to his own devices and blames all his shortcomings on the ex-wife and the invention of divorce. (Or probably abortion because they know having kids is another way to anchor the wife to them.)
Yeah he’s a giant piece of shit. He better hope he doesn’t end up on https://gayhomophobe.com after getting caught with a rent boy. The louder someone hates and complains, the more they have to hide.
Just fucking end marriage. It’s fucking archaic. When two people become partners they enter a business partnership . That’s it. It should be treated as such.
I happen to agree, me and my wife lived together for years before getting paperwork done. Just finally had to do it, it is just too much work otherwise. From insurance, to property, to inheritance, to medical decisions. A justice of a peace simple thing.
Had me in the first half
We should end the legal institution of marriage. It literally only provides two benefits: you can pool income for tax purposes, and you can share health insurance. Both of those items could easily be addressed without marriage, especially if we had universal healthcare or if you could add a partner to your health insurance like you can with car insurance.
Meanwhile, marriage in it’s current form means that the state decides how much of your retirement savings you get to keep when your partner decides to leave you or you decide to leave your partner. It’s the worst financial decision that it is possible to make to ever marry someone outside of your class because of that risk, and that risk sucks the joy and romance out of the whole thing.
If you want to have a fairy tale wedding or an important religious ceremony, go for it, but there is zero reason to get the government involved at all anymore.
That’s not true. There are plenty of other legal rights marriage conveys such as power of attorney and child custody.
Imagine all of the right wingers who will take that talking point and run with it to justify banning gay marriage.
“Well, y’all don’t even think marriage should be a fuckin’ institution so why should you be allowed to do it? Hyuck hyuck hyuck”
You can also sponsor for immigration.
With divorce rates and the view on marriage not being great, we might finally go back to the “business partnership” it was before. Thank god.
That feels sad lol. People like marriage because it feels good and it’s romantic. It’s not supposed to be a business partnership.
Lemmy man. We need more normies here.
A wedding and a relationship doesn’t require endorsement by the government. Go have a ceremony, grow old together, but you don’t need your local county clerk having a say in it.
well then have a party, invite your friends and put on your pretty dress and say you’re married now.
Cool thanks! I loved wearing my wedding dress and saying my vows.
Love and romance has little to do with the privileges granted by the state. Or do you think people should not be allowed to marry if they are not in love?
Sure, that’s fine too, but the vast majority of marriages now are based on love. Business arrangements are fine too, they just aren’t what people usually get married for.
There are other parts of the world besides the super wealthy West
That argument could be turned around. There are other parts of the world other than the East. I get what you’re saying though.
Good. We need to go back to people having to prove they deserve divorce to get one.
Why?
Because people view relationships as far too disposable. The nuclear family and devotion despite happiness level should be sacrosanct.
And who decides who you should give your devotion to? Wait, you don’t have to answer, your entire message is just completely deranged
What you got against the extended family? If you’re trying to be truly Biblical, you should have your parents and grandparents and adult children and your grandkids all living together!
Sounds like religious hooey and shouldn’t be anywhere near our legal institutions
Oh no, not my nuclear famirinos!
The problem is when Daddy is beating Mommy and the court doesn’t believe her because she’s suffering from “hysteria”.
So, then why don’t you just not get divorced and let other people do whatever they want?
Gross.
People view relationships as too disposable, therefore the government should lock them into relationships that aren’t working, for any reason from drifting apart to not being able to demonstrate the legal standard for physical abuse. Got it, sounds totally reasonable and not at all like you’re a fucking lunatic.
Glad you agree.
Sounds like you need the government to keep women from leaving you…
Just what that sounds like, just saying
Been married for 20 years, so no.
I feel bad for whoever that is. A person that demands devotion rarely deserves it.
How confident are you that she wouldn’t have left you in those 20 years if you weren’t married? If your confidence is high, then why do you think marriage needs to be hard to dissolve? If it’s low, I think my point is pretty clear in that case.
I don’t know why you people keep engaging these morons, it’s clear that he is a troll, a conservative, or the standard combination of the 3.
It is sacrosanct. As are other relationships built on love and/or respect. If there’s no longer love or respect there, it’s just cruel and dumb to force the people to stay together just bc they once had different feelings.
Would you like to be held to a contract for the rest of your life that you signed when you were 25?
Setting aside the moral argument, if you look at countries without no-fault divorce, this is just stupidly impractical.
Let me guess, you think the war on drugs has been super effective too?
War on drugs has been super successful in creating stronger drugs so smaller amounts need to be hidden when smuggling.
People shouldn’t be forced to be trapped in their shitty marriages if they don’t want to be, and not everyone needs a reason to fall out of love, or to realize they were never in love, sometimes it just happens, love is just brain chemistry and the focus of that love tends to change over your lifetime, so divorces shouldn’t need to be proven, all a divorce should need is one side calling it quits on the marriage, and we all should learn to respect that.
No.
Both sides should agree or you should have to prove infidelity or abuse.
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Nope. Came from a family where divorce was rightly treated as shameful.
Divorce isn’t shameful. You have no idea why people get divorced. Your immaturity is showing bright and clear in these comments. You sound like I did in middle school.
You need to go back to middle school, then.
Divorce is shameful and should not be discussed in polite society.
Why do you believe that? I mean, I can understand if you personally don’t want to get divorced, but what about other people ? Would you restrict their ability to get divorced because of your personal belief?
Should all people who get divorced and remarried be forced back into their original marriage?
“should not be discussed in polite society.”
This comment proves you don’t live in reality.
fuck your polite society
People can already divorce if they are being abused or cheated on. By making it a legal requirement that must be proven you make it more difficult for these people to leave those marriages and put the burden of proof onto them. You aren’t going to reduce domestic abuse with a policy like that.
Boy, have you ever got that wrong.
I smell a troll
Domestic abusers love this idea
I think you mean hate.
Can you provide us a detailed description of how divorces and marriages should work instead of one sentences per comment? I’m genuinely curious.
No.
You’re describing enabling domestic abuse, even though you think you aren’t.
No.
Abuse can be proven in a court.
And it should be required to be.
Lol, tell me you think you should be able to abuse your wife without just SAYING “I should be able to abuse my wife if I wanna!”
No dummy, this type of shit is exactly what increases domestic violence, spousal rape, and spousal murder.
Time to grow the fuck up and realize a wife isn’t a sex doll combined with a domestic servant.
If this is your religion telling you this then fuck your religion, and any other religion that offers abusive lines of thinking like this.
No, it isn’t. This is the kind of thing that prevents abuse. Stop believing otherwise.
Do you realize that just saying no to everything doesn’t constitute an actual discussion? How about giving an actual reason or logic for what you’re arguing rather than just saying no increasingly louder like a child. Or is that what your priest told you when you started asking questions?
The facts don’t care about your feelings, idiot (and the facts say you’re completely wrong).
So kidnapping and imprisonment is what marriage is to you?
Marriage is a pact based on love and partnership, what you’re suggesting is slavery.
You got some major incel vibes going on bro, time to take yourself to a licensed mental health professional.
Trying to keep someone in a marriage that they do not want to be in is inherently abusive, so trying to prove it in the event that one party did not allow the marriage to be ended would be redundant.
Did some hurt you? Was you no longer able to abuse or control someone? Because you feel really strongly about this. Our are you just trolling?
I feel strongly about this because it’s a moral reality.
Marriage should be incredibly hard to get out of.
But why? What’s your reasoning behind why people divorcing or wanting out of a relationship is a bad thing?
https://lemmy.world/comment/4885170
Smells like a troll to me.
Then should it also be incredibly hard to get into?
Moral reality. There it is. This dude personally thinks it’s wrong, which means with no other good reason every single other person in the country must go along with it. If you think a divorce is morally wrong, don’t get one. Knock yourself out. Find a partner who doesn’t want to get one. But you have no right to force that belief onto others.
Yeah, but if they are a conservative, they generally adhere to the Southern version of “liberty” - meaning, having the “liberty” to rule over others.
Maybe like the other poster said it should be harder to get married then less people wouldn’t have to get divorced.
No. You should be able to leave a marriage for whatever reason you want. There should be a small barrier to avoid overloading the courts, but that’s it.
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Fuck off
What the actual fuck? “Deserve”?
Found the abuser
Don’t need to prove you deserve marriage, that’s the one we should forcing. Like let’s make the application process as much work as buying a house. With inspectors checking everything is to code with no hidden surprises.
That’s what pre-marriage counseling is for.
Fwiw my parents led the marriage prep course at our church for 15+ years. They wrote books and websites and gave talks at conferences about Christian and Catholic marriage. They met Cardinals and advised bishops. They participated in conferences with Protestant and evangelical churches.
They were married for 48 years. And they’re divorced now. My mother in particular, but my father is seeing it a bit now, realized that their model of love and marriage were predicated on co-abusive behaviors.
It took seeing what these teachings and ways of life did to their kids and their grandchildren’s homes before they gained enough perspective to see it for what it was. I hope you can see it sooner.
The pre marriage session we had at Church led to the priest sexually assaulting my partner with very inappropriate touching. I understand that’s typical of being a member of the Church, how does that keep marriage together exactly?
Outliers do not call into question the practice.
What drugs are you smoking that cause you to disassociate from reality so much and where can I get some?
Outliers? It’s standard practice based on what the choir boys I grew up with told me after I asked them.
Irrelevant.
Oh hey, what a great idea you guys! Because no abuser in the world ever knew how to lie at the start of a relationship to get their partner trapped before starting to abuse them. That’s not like, an absurdly common abuse tactic or anything.
As a person who escaped a relationship where I feared for my life, fuck you very much, you ignorant fuck. You don’t get to make rules that will endanger my existence.
IMHO this is the primary reason why the government should not be a gatekeeper for divorce. I’m so sorry to hear what you went through and I hope people pushing for government control of our relationships can develop a shred of empathy.
Yeah, that’s not the job of the government. While I agree that the divorce rate in the country is surprisingly high and I personally think that’s a bad thing, one partner should not be trapped in a relationship they want out of because “they’re not allowed out”. If either side of a relationship wants to end it, that’s their right.
A judge should not have to determine if a reason is “good enough”. And despite religious beliefs, from the government’s perspective, marriage is a 2 sided contract that can be ended at will.
If your church or personal beliefs say otherwise, that’s up to them. Keep it out of my government.
What a shitty take
This is very on brand for republicans. It is part of the overall plan to create Gilead (that SHOULD be an exaggeration but… if anything it is an understatement). The idea being that women are property.
- Abortion is evil. Because if a guy knocks up a woman? Assuming he doesn’t “deny deny deny” and his lawyer can’t get him out of it, he is looking at a ridiculously small tax that he pays for a few months and then ignores for the rest of his life. A woman loses months (if not years) of her life to recovery and childcare and loses earning potential for her entire life. Which… makes her more beholden to her spouse.
- Affirmative action is racist/sexit/whatever. Because, same as above, it makes it easier for Manly Men to refuse to promote or hire women to keep them barefoot and pregnant because they can’t get a job.
- Divorce is wrong: So even if your property gets uppety and thinks she can find a way to survive without you? Sorry, not legal, go cook dinner and then I’ll put another baby in you.
And plenty of others. The goal is to make women property that can’t escape or ever say no.
And the idea of a man wanting to leave a woman? Just kill the bitch and get a new wife. Or fuck your daughter.
Under his eye.
If you’re a woman and vote to put any Republican in power in this country, no matter how small or local, you must be insane.
From the conservative women I know, it’s because they don’t think these Draconian laws will ever apply to them…which is just characteristic of them.
They don’t think abortion should be legal because they can control their own sexual activities. If women (i.e. slutty liberals) want to have sex then they should be
punishedblessed with a child.Women conservatives are just conservatives. They don’t think the law will apply to them.
…or hoping that backing/marrying a powerful man will mean the leopards won’t eat YOUR face.
Evidently, they’ll just abuse it to death rather than eating it.
Oh, I dunno. Maybe I want white, christian men to tell me what I can and can’t do.
/s I’m a man.
I get your point, but let’s not imply that it’s only women’s job to vote Republicans out. Policies detrimental to women diminish and damage the whole country and that’s everyone’s responsibility.
There are more women voters than men voters.
I don’t think anyone was saying all the responsibility belongs to women. I think they were saying that women, among other targeted groups, should have extra motivation to vote these people out.
I did choose the word ‘imply’ instead of ‘say’ for a reason. And yes, implication is subjective so my comment was just my opinion. In any case, I would like to see men and all people experience that urgency and motivation just as strongly.
Ok, but you were wrong that they were implying it. And you can’t weasle out of being wrong by saying it’s subjective.
Ok, going back to (direct quote) misterundercoat’s statement that I was originally replying to above,
If you’re a woman and vote to put any Republican in power in this country, no matter how small or local, you must be insane.
You’re right. They neither said or implied that anyone else who voted Republican is any less insane or any less to blame.
I think I just get frustrated when people want to only go as far as labeling a voting behavior or a moral stance as insane, stupid, deluded, evil or just plain dumb… and not dig into the whole system of shit that led to the person or group behaving that way. But there’s plenty of room for both of those angles in this lovely fediverse and I shouldn’t feel any need to police such things.
or indoctrinated
the united states sucks ass
