I would love for CEST to end. It should just stick to whichever timezone is giving you noon when the sun is at it’s highest point.
Doesn’t work that great in really wide timezones. Where do you measure noon from? The east? The middle?
On average I suppose, and of course there’s more than just the sun’s position to think of. You also want to be in sync with neighboring countries to make sure people don’t have to change their clock every time they cross a border.
For where I live, summertime puts the sun at it’s highest point at around 13:20 while wintertime is 12:20. My country (Netherlands) is small enough not to have any significant difference between east and west.
But when you look over the wider timezone:
Location Wintertime Summertime Fisterra, Spain (most western) 13:20 14:20 Paris 12:34 13:34 Rome 11:53 12:53 Berlin 11:50 12:50 Warsaw 11:23 12:23 Nowosady, Poland (most eastern) 11:09 12:09 Vadsø, Norway (even more eastern) 10:44 11:44 I took those most eastern and western as an estimate, but the difference would be negligible with other nearby towns. Time of highest point is for today.
It’s a big timezone when you look at the differences. During summer time the most extreme differences from sun’s highest point would be between
+00:09-+02:20hours. For wintertime it would be-00:51-+1:20hours, with the average much closer to noon. So yes, for my timezone, I would say wintertime is the best choice if you want noon to match the sun’s highest point.Oh no… see what you did, you brought out the nerd in me :)
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So I just noticed Norway has that little strip even further to the east. To make it completely fair, if you take Vadsø in account, the difference would be-00:16-+02:20to-01:16-+01:20hours. With winter time noon, on average, most closely in sync with the highest point of the sun.The middle would be the most logical. Or just pick one. The number is arbitrary anyway
I feel like everyone’s complaining too much about it, it really doesn’t matter that much and I think people only care because they’re told to. I don’t take this position seriously it sounds like a joke.
Yes please. Permanent DST would be nice. I hate it being pitch black at 4pm. Not to mention adjusting sleeping patterns.
Yes, I can live with UTC, GMT, Pacific, a single global timezone. I don’t care at this point - just stop making me feel out of wack twice a year!
Yes. I’m not particularly bothered which timezone we stay in, just pick one.
Yes, we should stay at winter time.
I think you mean Standard Time?
Winter time is when the clock is set back one additional hour, ie -2h when compared to Summer Time (a.k.a. Daylight Saving Time).It’s weird that it’s standard time considering more of the year is spent in summer time.
It’s not weird considering that historically it has been the standard time and only later the daylight saving time idea (aka summer time) was introduced. Plus on the equator you don’t really need them as such and on the southern hemisphere they’d be the opposite.
We call standard time winter time here. I just complained about it to my wife yesterday, that we are NOT switching to winter time. We are switching back to standard time.
But everybody calls it winter time.
I don’t really care which one, but end this nonsense. Switching every 6 months is so last century
Honestly no, though I really think this is a factor of how close to a pole you are. It’s hard enough to deal with the dark coldness, not getting bright til like 10am would be even worse.
No I really enjoy it being dark at 4pm. /s
Keep this forever and just skip summer
Did you just resolve global warming and summer heat waves ?
I will gladly accept the Nobel prize for this.
Seems like nonsense to me to change time every six months
Interestingly, British Summer Time is used for 7 months of the year and GMT is used for 5 months. We just changed clocks this morning.
Just to be pedantic, as I found it really interesting when I realised, it’s actually 5 months winter time and 7 months summer.
In the US states that still do this nonsense, it’s 8 months on daylight saving time (summer time), and just four months on so-called “standard time.” We should just stay on summer time all year at this point.
We were so close to being rid of it last year. The Senate unanimously Approved the “The Sunshine Protection Act” which would of gotten rid of the fall back period we experience in November. But Congress never brought it to a vote so it never became law.
Why am I not surprised? I wish we’d just pick one and stick with it.
Its rubbish and we should just stay in summertime. Yet another daylight hour stolen in the evening
What the hell, why not stay in standard time? I don’t like having to get out of bed while it’s still dark outside. It’s already bad with everything being dark outside at 8am in winter, doesn’t need to be made even worse.
In the morning and while I am at work I don’t really care for the conditions outside. By 8 its daylight here no matter the summer or wintertime. But what I care for is going outside in the evening, doing sports in the forest, go cycling and enjoy nature. Its hard doing that when it is dark when I finish working. Other geographic regions might prefer winter time, I personally prefer sommertime
In the morning and while I am at work I don’t really care for the conditions outside.
Wow really? Because when I was younger I hated waking up in winter when it was still dark outside and having to go to school. I’m assume my classmates did too. If school time doesn’t change and the clock is 1 hour forward in winter, then it would be like standing up EVEN earlier.
So I guess as a person you also don’t mind much doing night shifts, is that right?
Hmmm… I never worked nights. When I was younger I would stay up all night but this has since changed and I am much more an early riser. I just lived in Norway for 7 years when the sun would rise at 11 and set at 3pm in the winter. So when it comes down to it, if I can choose when to have an extra hour of daylight, its when I can use it.
When we would permanently go to summer time, I will do everything one hour later than now.
So do you mean instead of going to school/work at eg. 9:00 UTC you would go to work at 10:00 UTC+1? In other words, nothing would change except that in summer everything starts an hour later than it does now? That only works if your school system and company/customers allow this freedom. Oftentimes they don’t.
If you mean something else, could you clarify? I’m curious regarding this topic.
Sorry for the late reply, I just read yours, this app is still a bit of a mystery to me. My work allows for flexible working hours, so there’s no problem there. But in the wake of a decision to stay with Summer Time year round I would suppose that the starting times of businesses and schools would be up for debate. Especially for schools, as these already presently do not lign up with the sleep cycles of students, they only match those of the teachers. It’s funny how introduction of Summer Time has convinced through being confusing. When the plan would have been to ask everyone to come in one hour earlier during summer, a lot of people would have protested. By setting the clock one hour later it has gotten authority and nobody was sure which way the hour difference was supposed to go. Later or earlier? People are still not sure after all these years.
I understand your point, but can you guarantee that schools and work for all the other people will also start one hour later? If just a single person does everything one hour later that’s not gonna solve the issue and if everybody does it then you might as well stick to standard time.
Right now my kids go to school in the pitch dark almost the whole school year.
So you live even further up north? Isn’t it uncomfortable to wake up in the darkness? Or are you saying that hasn’t been a problem to you before and you can deal with it just fine?
We should change it everyday by 4-6 minutes or whatever we lose on the progression.
Should have ended some 20 years ago.
Gonna raise that to 40
Gonna raise that to whenever lightbulbs were common in households.
I have a severe circadian rhythm disorder- yes absolutely lol, daylight savings destroys me every year
My time hasn’t changed yet, but I’m not looking forward to it
Yes we should end winter
Wait, is it not next week?
I do agree that we should end it, and I think most people agree. My part of the world (BC, Canada) is ready to drop it and it is waiting for the US states in our time zone to push it through their gridlocked politics. There’s growing pressure to just give up on the US and just do it ourselves. Last I heard, there was bipartisan support in the US to also drop it, but there’s always some other mess to clean up or some other partisan thing that gets stuffed into the bill.
As for winter time vs. summer time, I really do not care. Both options will hurt some people and help others.
Pick either one and stick with it
You guys need to just do it. Some moron goes “won’t someone think of the children!!1! (Except massacres)” and then we never do it. Canada doing it might actually push us to change.
EU was last night/today (for me), US and Canada is first sunday of november right?
This is my favourite part of the whole ridiculous parade. For a good two weeks or so all my meetings with US colleagues are just chaos.
Ah makes sense, even weirder that we do it on different days.
What’s the public sentiment like in the EU, are people close to dropping it?
Obviously I can’t talk for everyone, but I have seen some shows and such on tv or on the internet in favour of dropping it. It would make sense to me as well, but it’s not actively discussed politically afaik. I’m in the netherlands fyi.
The EU voted to drop it. It just hasn’t actually happened yet. I think the last change was supposed to be in 2020 but a global pandemic got in the way.
Didn’t know that, that would be great!
It’s being discussed but there’s no agreement yet. The main debate is over whether to choose the same one (summer vs winter) for the whole EU. If we do, countries at the geographic extremes like Spain vs Finland will get shafted. If we don’t and allow each country to pick one (or a completely new timezone even) we could end up with weird fragmented time zones where neighboring countries are all over the place.
We do agree for the most part that it needs to be dropped.
