If lemmy had user-defined filters, I’d use them. Right now I’m downvoting the stuff, but there’s already a community for musk-related stuff: [email protected]
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I think if it’s actually related to tech it’s fine. For example, I read an article from DHH talking about how Musk’s strategy has saved money by moving from Cloud to on-prem and doing it cut massive costs.
I think that’d be okay?
That seems like “business” more than technology
Ah you broke my heart. Clear indication that I’m drifting more into management every day :(
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I think you should leave your input under their comment for them to consider.
That’s not “musk’s strategy” though. That’s just common knowledge. If you change your own brakes, it’s cheaper than at the dealership. If you run your own servers, it’s cheaper than in the cloud. The reason people choose the cloud is either they don’t want to, or can’t, run their own server farm.
If you run your own servers, it’s cheaper than in the cloud. The reason people choose the cloud is either they don’t want to, or can’t, run their own server farm.
Generally speaking, if it wasn’t cheaper for them to use the cloud, they probably wouldn’t. Owning infrastructure comes with costs that amortize better at scale. If infrastructure is not a big cost in serving your customers, then it’s probably cheaper to rent.
How about Cloud (someone else’s computers) vs. Colo/Data Center (someone else’s cooling and UPS/Generators Your computers) - the cost of running a data center correctly is huge. This is not even counting the 24/7 availability of help or security on the site.
Of course, if you can get away with a 2 servers in a single rack more power to ya.
There are some costs that are cheaper when you go to the cloud because of scale. Things like bandwidth, redundancy, and physical security. But they are massively offset by how expensive renting the hardware is. I can rent a server for $500/month that I could build for $3,000-$4,000. That’s 6-8 months before I’m in the red with the cloud. Think about those costs over one server’s lifetime (roughly 5 years, depending on your needs). That’s $26,000 over 5 years, or $5,200 per year extra, for one server. If your company is using 10 servers (assuming your costs scale linearly at this point), that’s $52,000 per year, rather than just running a couple fiber lines into your office. And that’s a small company.
So yeah, it’s more expensive to go with the cloud, almost always. But yes, the cloud gives you benefits. This is pretty common knowledge in the industry, and musk didn’t come up with the idea of bringing services on-site.
Something to add, since I colocate my own hardware in a datacenter: Just the cost of operating a server is non-trivial too. I pay $120/month for just 2U, 1gbps networking, and power usage (600W peak usage), providing my own hardware. Things get a lot cheaper if you can rent a whole rack space though. It’s absolutely been worth it though, because to rent a similar specced server, it could easily be $1k/month.
That $52000/year isn’t enough to pay for even a single full time IT person. So now you’re probably either spending dev time on server admin (which is wasteful of dev salary, and it’s a subject they aren’t experts in, so you’re literally paying more for worse results), or outsourcing to an entity that hires the cheapest employees it can.
Oooor, use a cloud provider. And if you’re a small company, you can probably get away with cheaper shared hosting.
Oh I was talking about renting a VPS, not managed services. Managed services are much more expensive.
I just checked Digital Ocean’s pricing, and the server I was thinking of that’s about $500/month is $900/month for managed MySQL. That’s $107,400 extra per year if you want managed services.
And again, this is for a small company that only needs 10 servers. If we’re talking about something more like 5,000 servers, those cloud costs will be absolutely enormous.
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Moderator here.
Since there is a loud and collective voice, I will do it, but not all news related to Twitter or Musk can be banned. This is something that you folks need to give me input on. There is going to be a level or kind of essential news that impacts us all, that needs to be allowed to post, and for that we need some agreeable middle ground.
Inputs?
For me it’s the difference between a statements and events. If Musk just says something it’s generally worthless drivel, but if Tesla engineers a new battery pack or gets targeted by a lawsuit then it’s something worth knowing.
I had a similar approach in mind, so it seems it will work. I myself despise the Elon Musk yapping and paparazzi gospel tabloid pieces.
I think anything “musk did/said ABC” should be banned. Reading news about SpaceX or whatever else Musk owns that’s technology related is fine IMO, but the constant “Musk this” and “Musk that” just makes me downvote or at “worst” unsub.
Regarding Twitter, if lemmy had filters, I’d block all of that too. However I can see that it has some influence on people and would be fine treating it as an exception to the muskysphere as long as it doesn’t contain “Musk” in the title.
My 2 cents. Thank you for considering the ban 🙏
As long as people report, and if I notice that kind of Elon Musk paparazzi gospel crap, it will be removed as long as I stay mod. Active during Indian timezone. I do try complain about Lemmy’s mod tools occasionally, because that and some form of CSAM filtering are key concerns now that platform is steadily growing.
incoming rant
Usually an active and reasonable mod tries finding the “moderate” balance on posting and discourse, but they are rare nowadays. I am not spez or a typical reddit mod “mod”. I was born out of the community if that makes any sense, so I am handling the privacy and tech sublemmys for a good while, cushioning the impact of Lemmy adopters.
Thank you for your service 🫡
Would you mind adding the “no musk spam” rule?
Will do when I wake up. Gonna catch some zzzs.
when you do, another thanks for the mod job & also handling this: your outlook & response is the reason this is already better than That Other Place 👍✌️
Multiple rules have been added.
Well-worded! Thank you 🙏
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You can block communities you don’t want to see
I’m into it. All of the news is bad news for him and I love it. It’s like a house burning for a year and I just like checking in on it every few days.
Don’t block me though, please
Musk-, tesla- X- and SpaceX bashing are all equally obnoxious. I’m so tired of seeing why circlejerking about how twitter sucks and reading all the articles with comments about why Tesla stock is crashing, twitter is dying and people celbrating how it’s great that some supposedly misfortune fell of Musk because of his hubris. Reverse fanboyism is as annoying as actual fanboyism for all the same reasons. To me anti musk crowd is now the more annoying one who became the thing they were opposing. So yes please shut up about Musk and ban everything concerning him for all I care.
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Trump and Musk are pieces of shit but that guy has a point. Try getting into an EV or autonomous driving discussion where you bring up a Tesla without hearing ad hominems about you “sucking Elons dick” or having to hear the content of every recent tweet he’s made when all you’ve done is strictly talk about the technology. These people are just as obsessed with the guy as the fanboys are.
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Settle down mate.
Yes!
Please yes.
I’m tired of seeing the same story of that chode in six or seven different communities.
Wait you mean you don’t want to hear the next pricing plan for twitter? Aren’t you a tech enthusiast???
As much as I enjoy watching the
worldXitter burn, there’s a limit to everything.
Musk has already been banned as a topic on tech communities in 4 instances I’ve seen personally. I get folks are tired of him and I find him insufferable, but he is often relevant (unfortunately) to current events, so I don’t think wholesale bans of him are a good idea. There are plenty of topics I find annoying, but I don’t tell people to ban the topic from the community just for my personal preference.
Like I think trump is a cringe inducing piece of shit and don’t enjoy seeing him everywhere. I’d love a filter, I don’t expect communities to ban him as a topic.
Yeah but relevant to current tech events? Not that often.
It’s complicated I guess.
Musk offering starlink access to gaza is tech news, him changing subscription prices for xitter is not.
I guess I just mean that a happening is not “tech” by virtue of musk saying it.
Yeah but relevant to current tech events? Not that often.
LOL what? Literally everything he does is related to tech.
Most of what he does is talking, with a pinch of false advertisement and stock manipulation thrown in the mix.
But I’m happy about any actual developments! I’m super hyped for the next starship launch for example.
I mean anything anyone does on the internet is tech given they do it on the internet.
Musk is largely just being a shitty ceo doing ceo things, kinda notably for cultural reasons, sure, but musk news probably better serves as more business news than tech.
He owns starlink, Twitter, Tesla, and SpaceX. Whether we like it or not all of these have huge bearings on their respective industries.
And before people started hating musk, again rightfully so I’m embarrassed I ever liked him, you couldn’t go a day without something about SpaceX and people getting all excited. This is purely about the person, not the relevance of the topics.
If y’all could somehow come up with a nuanced soft ban on “his personal life“ and politics or whatever, I guess that’s a decent compromise? But that just sounds tedious and people will bicker. And also his politics unfortunately have an impact on how Twitter is run, so you would have to find ways to separate those things out. It’s just seems kind of needless.
I mean imagine if we couldn’t spread the word/learn of what he was doing with his starlink satellites and Ukraine/Russia. That stuff is really important.
The nuanced soft ban you’re talking about is just the topic of the community.
When musk does something tech related that’s tech. When he does something that’s not tech related that’s off topic.
Twitter is a social media website it’s not tech.
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Honestly I think it’s weird that people think social media is tech.
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Adding a subscription payment isn’t tech, there are more companies than Starlink, Twitter, Tesla, and SpaceX, and we aren’t posting everything that a company do, just with Twitter or Tesla because they are popular and Elon Musk a meme… Mercedes for example has better autopilot than Tesla, Porsche has better electric vehicle than Tesla, but I don’t see people posting about that every time. I think there is an excessive posting of his stuff, and he just loves to get fame. I suppose that’s why he does stupid and crazy nonsense stuff like naming a good and popular brand name as Twitter to X… it’s like destroying all what was already built just to keep his name on news.
To exclude social
The product itself (the code) may be considered tech but the company’s/employee’s/executive’s business/personal/anything outside of the product dealings shouldn’t be. If running a website makes any information related to you tech related then literally every company is a tech company. Meta’s stock price dropping because Zuckerbot farted in a kindergarten classroom isn’t anything tech related. Subscription fees being added or increased isn’t tech related.
How would you define tech with regards to social media and how does that definition not include any other company running a website that you can interact with?
You’re going to ban all social media topics too?
Only if they become spammy, I suppose. I already sent you this video where explains how Elon Musk is just re-inventing things that already exists, but what he’s doing with Twitter seems like a 15 years old kid playing with his new toy… and isn’t really doing anything interesting or new to society.
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Yeah, I agree, social media is part of tech, it’s just spammy.
There are apps which offer user specific filters. I highly suggest switching to one. It’s made my lemmy experience much better.
I use the browser exclusively for this stuff. My phone is opened maybe once an hour or so. Most often 3 times a day.
yes
I came to Lemy for LESS moderation and MORE free speech. Nimby.
Say anything anti lgbt and the whole cabal will ban all your accounts
We need some form of moderation but I think it’s going to be pretty unpleasant given that the fediverse is very appealing to the doomer mindset. I am also surprised at the amount of people that actually think that social media is technology
Holy cow, this sounds like a moderation nightmare–glad I don’t have to do it! There’s no way you’re going to get through it without someone complaining about it.
In my mind, this is definitely something that individuals should address with blocks and filters. If those filters don’t exist, they should be written.
For those using the magnificent Sync - Settings shortcut: Filters > Keyword filters
Though you might miss out on some posts about aftershave that contains musk
I agree, but only restrict the news if it mentions Musk, not just one of his companies. For example, SpaceX does interesting stuff, and to be honest operates mostly independently of him these days.
Technology is technology, no matter which asshole owns the company.
I agree.
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