the study’s age range was 10-24.
Article isnt even about video games
I feel like people often ask for more nuance when what they want is more context. Whether not sex is appropriate for a given piece of media is almost entirely contextual.
47.5% of young people say that sex isn’t necessary for the plot of most TV shows and movies
10-24 is a pretty wide ass range for this. Curious if tweens, early teens, late teens, and early 20s differ in any major way. Honestly they should’ve just polled adults only from every generation, who cares what 12 year olds think
Is that really the argument? Imagine if this is taking to it’s logical conclusion and everything “not necessary for the plot” is removed from TV shows and movies. What’s the point then? There would be zero point in watching the show or movie, reading the plot summary would serve the exact same purpose.
Movies and TV series are supposed to be a form of entertainment and even art on occassion, that takes you on a journey, makes you feel something. That involves many things that don’t necessarily advance the plot, but get the audience emotionally invested into the characters, the fictional world, the narratives, the motives. Without that, what is the point? The plot can’t exist on its own as a standalone entity. In many cases it even works in an inverse. The plot is used and chosen to make the audience feel a certain way about something. The plot becomes secondary to the same emotions the authors or producers want to convey.
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No, this is people just getting tired of studios mandating thst every movie must be a “four quadrant film” and include a romance subplot. This is people being mad at capitalism
There are people who would rather read Wikipedias of fictional settings like WH40k, and I don’t fucking get it. You might as well just read real-life Wikipedia because at least you’re learning something that’s tangentially connected to your present situation by virtue of it being information about real life.
12 year olds are a key market demographic for media
I want more casual sex in media, but less sexualization of everything.
exactly, there’s a way to do sex positivity without turning everything into almost-softcore-porn for 3 minutes
The lower part of the age range probably isnt even in puberty yet. Some people dont experience sexual attraction until their mid teens (if at all), so of course it feels a bit gross.
Also, all their childhood, sex was seen as this scary taboo thing their parents had to shelter them from learning about. So of course they’re not going to immediately see sex in an any less taboo light the moment they start experiencing sexual attraction, that takes time.
When you’re that young, you probably see sex as nothing but animalistic or lustful. You most likely want to do it at some point, but you can’t really understand any beauty in it that’s worthy of art.
this just in: 50% of people polled* believe girls are “growdy” and “have cooties”
*Boys aged 6-12
If it doesn’t do anything novel then there’s literally no point to it.
If it’s between a fucking vampire and a bear it gets a pass because it’s kooky.
Agree from me. Why does every single show have to have at least one graphic R scene? Videogame sex scenes are silly to me because it’s like making action figures take off their clothes and mash them together
I want to see actual penetration in films. Bring back squibs and have all the avengers fuck each other
Now here’s the twist, and there is a twist…
We show it.
We show all of it.
Because what’s the one major thing missing from all action movies these days, guys?
Full penetration
Guys, we’re gonna show full penetration and we’re gonna show a lot it
they make those movies and tbh the writing isn’t noticeably worse than marvel
When I discovered this place, this was one of the most amusing features. Is volcel a serious thing? Really??
The site’s volcel culture is meant to prevent people from sexualizing others or behaving in a horny way while participating on Hexbear, because this isn’t an 18+ website.
Volcel memes are often hyperbolic.
This is even better than I imagined. I can see it being overused but still, we need
Sex in videogames sucks anyway.
We need to return to Paul Verhoeven where the movie is an excuse to show 10 sex scenes but also antifascist
Paul Verhoeven movies are exactly the kind of art the scolds in this thread hate. They would never allow Showgirls to be made if they were in charge
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That’s literally what the lanyard dork media class said when they gave Starship Troopers negative reviews on its release, before it became a cult classic. That it was praising fascist ideology despite it being clearly satirical.
Media literacy, and literacy in general, is going down the toilet. TV was a mistake. The internet was a mistake. Smartphones were a mistake.
“Springtimes are a good thing, and you want Hitler to have one???”
That is the opposite. Showgirls is the perfect example. Fun sexy stuff happens in thst movie and it makes sense. The stuff people don’t like is like objectifing women by default in every action movie. There is a time and a place for sexy fun and it is simply not every single time.
Showgirls is the perfect example. Fun sexy stuff happens in thst movie and it makes sense.
What? Showgirls is a movie that makes gratuitous nudity tedious and uninteresting, and I thought that was the point, that the whole plot arc is that the commodification and exploitation of women’s bodies is gross and bad with the main character’s growth over the story being that she realizes that even the most “glamorous” form of that sucks and is bad and that literally being a violent lumpen drifter is a better thing than taking part in it?
Yes, that is the point. It does artistically intresting things.
You just said in another comment that “we have 2 choices, too much sex or none so we should ban it”
Lmao gtfo here trying to act all buddy buddy with verhoeven and cool and hip. You are a puritanical censor and enemy of art. You are the parents from footloose but with a leftoid anti-life flavor instead of a rightoid one
I belive I said too much bad sex.If they did the sex well it’d be diffrent. Instead it is that four quadrant bullahit that Hollywood has to shoehorn into every movie. There have been action movies where our had hero had rad sex and it was cool. We just don’t make those anymore. It isn’t the sex. It is that it is forced and exploitative that people don’t like. Like for 90% of us against if instead of the given sex scene is was an actress age appropriate for our here being pleasured that would go a long way to fixing things
You are the arbiter of good and bad sex, you will be the one to decree which movies are allowed and which are forbidden. Your tastes are supreme and should override the artists. You can advocate for more tasteful and better sex in movies, but you cannot just call for blanket bans. But people in here aren’t complaining about the sex being exploitative for the most part, they are complaining about it existing and say no film in history has had a good sex scene. That’s their personal hang ups with sex and nothing to do with what standards should be
You are a puritan megalomaniac in disguise.
I want less tasteful sex. I am the opposite. Good sex tends towards messy and weird. The overly clean polished stuff is sex cleaned up for mass market appeal. The artists are all traumatized and on drugs. I know they are into weird shit like me. The studio for reasons of capitlaism is overriding their artistic vision and that is what I don’t like.
“capitalism is overriding their artistic vision”
and prudes who say all sex scenes are bad, artistic censorship of sexual content is a touchy subject for a real historical reason. the opposite force doesn’t really exist beyond individual desires. there’s no concerned catholic mother associations to add sex to movies.
Nah tbh I support them. Nothing worse* than being really invested in a movie then they throw in a gratuitous sex scene that doesn’t move the plot forward at all and messes up the whole flow of the movie. Been saying it for years, not every movie needs a love story and a big sex scene
*hyperbole, there are absolutely worse things than this
Not everything needs to move the plot forward. In fact, some of the most important parts of movies and series are the scenes or episodes that do not progress the plot.
Like what? Legitimate question, not trying to be an asshole, but I’m having trouble thinking of something important in a work of fiction that wouldn’t be integral to the story
Something such as a “filler” episode in a series that gives you backround information on the characters and how they ended up in the predicament they are in. It does not advance the plot at all, but it’s critical to understanding the way things are in the fictional series.
I’m going to use an episode from the big bang theory as an example, not because I think it’s a good show (it’s terrible), but because it’s a good example of this. The episode where Leonard explains how Sheldon ended up as his roommate, and saved his and his friends lives by throwing poorly mixed explosive rocket fuel down the elevator shaft did nothing to advance the plot of the show. But it’s vitally important in understanding the context of their friendship and why they put up with each other. Without that background information, all you see is two awkward nerds living together.
Then there’s also the fact that sometimes things should just be fun. There are many fight scenes throughout movies that do little to advance the plot. No one loses or wins the fight, there’s no significant impact. But it’s just about looking cool on screen and being entertaining. If every fight scene was a life or death scenario, the audience would burn out really quickly.
Okay yeah I guess by advance the plot I just meant important to the story. The first example, I don’t know fiction terms, I’d consider that advancing the plot but I guess it’s not, but nonetheless I’d consider that important to the story.
But yeah fair enough with the second point. Although gratuitous fight scenes can also get a little wearing yeah I don’t find them as offensively disruptive as sex scenes.
Probably part of it is I just don’t like romance too much, and reacting to the feeling that romances and sex scenes were forced into everything when I felt it was sort of unnecessary. But tbh I don’t watch a lot of movies these days, and the ones I do watch are usually older ones I know I’ll enjoy so I’m not sure if they still do this. I definitely remember feeling that way back in the day though.
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sex scenes in movies are boring when you can have the most insane porn imaginable beamed directly to your senses whenever you want. the youth aren’t prudes, they’re desensitized
the more I think about this comment the more this mindset skeeves me out. An entire generation of kids who think sex = hardcore porn and that anything else is a waste of time. Any eroticism or romance is entirely discarded and deemed obsolete and inefficient. It’s gross as hell and the mindset of a coomer not someone who has lived a life of love and loss and had complex sexual experiences both positive and negative. Sex is a huge component of love and life for many, if not most people, and an integral part of social reproduction and the existence of our species. To remove complex sexual relationships from all art and just relegate it to a separate category of “disgusting fetishistic hardcore porn” which we only ever engage with when we get off is very bad for society. It exacerbates the madonna-whore complex to its logical endpoints and extremes, every public facing hero is a chaste hero while all sex is corrupt, evil and to be hidden away. We delude ourselves that our heroes aren’t fucking. It’s victorian puritanism, and it’s giving us little dopamine drips when we do evil depraved shit.
An entire generation of kids who think sex = hardcore porn and that anything else is a waste of time. Any eroticism or romance is entirely discarded and deemed obsolete and inefficient. It’s gross as hell and the mindset of a coomer not someone who has lived a life of love and loss and had complex sexual experiences both positive and negative.
Unfortunately this is the gross mindset that porn addiction creates. And many among Gen Z are addicts, even if they don’t care to admit it. The generation having the least sex and all.
I really do think porn addicted coomers are a big part of the sexless Marvel capeshit fanbase. They go together, the porn addiction and the disgust with sex. The idealist compartmentalizing and sin/repentance cycle.
The Marvel stuff is usually sexless because the target audience is kids. Even Endgame and infinity war were only a PG-13. It’s a bit crazy that adults latch on so tightly to this kind of stuff. Same with Disney adults. I’m not saying that it’s “more adult” to watch movies with sex in them or anything, I’m just saying that it’s a weird phenomenon.
because the target audience is kids.
eh all-ages family media and “for kids” are different. marvel wants that 8-80 money not the lesser g-rated childrens cartoon money.
Everyone I see going to Marvel stuff and talking about Marvel stuff on youtube and whatnot are all millenials and elderly millenials and some Gen X guys from Star Wars fanbases
Like, sure my 6 year old nephew loves Spiderman and spiderman TV cartoons but that’s not what we’re talking about when we talk about sexless Marvel slop. We’re talking about the films that wiped out all other types of films, not harmless children cartoons
Well yeah that’s Marvel brain for you. I do not understand it at all. The last one I watched was Age of Ultron and it made me want to never watch a superhero movie again.
I’ve been a hater since Dark Knight, I fucking hated that movie and don’t get why anyone liked it. That was the best one too, it only got worse after that. Hilariously the only one I think is tolerable is Joker which isn’t even a capeshit movie at all and has 0 powers.
Unfortunately this is the gross mindset that porn addiction creates.
Shame is the more important factor. I honestly think that more of this than people usually talk about is due to how NoFap and related movements have been used, often as parts of a far-right radicalization pipeline. Making people feel ashamed over something that is natural is a powerful method of social control since the “problem” that a cure is being promised before will never go away. It’s not at all a coincidence that groups like the Proud Boys have this shit as a central tenet of their group. It’s not a coincidence that a lot of major religions have rather strict standards on sexual conduct – if the people following your religion always have something to repent for then they’ll keep coming back.
Porn/masturbation addiction itself is also highly controversial in mainstream psychology for a number of reasons. To the extent that it is given serious consideration it is usually treated as a compulsive disorder rather than as an addiction, because addiction includes specific biomarkers which studies have not reliably found. Another concerning metric is that self-reported pornography addiction is not a good predictor for amount of porn usage, but is a great predictor for religiosity. It should also be noted that the rule for what is or is not a mental disorder is limited to things that cause distress, disability, increased risk of death, or significant loss of autonomy (with a few extra qualifiers I’m leaving out for brevity) – this also makes the way that people usually accuse people of being porn addicts somewhat problematic, because usually the accused isn’t showing signs of any of those things. It is quite likely, for that reason, that a substantial portion (if not most) people who claim pornography addiction have more of an issue with how they view porn or sexuality more broadly than they do with their use of it actually causing problems.
I did read an article some time ago discussing sex-negative trends in Gen Z from the angle of fandom culture, which I’m not sure I entirely agree with the framing of some broader cultural issues brought up, but I do think its overall conclusion that legislation like FOSTA-SESTA and its direct effects and chilling effects on social media sites made online spaces more vulnerable to the US’s puritan culture to be absolutely spot-on. I am also quite concerned with these effects ending up destroying queer spaces. The article did bring up the damage done to Tumblr’s queer spaces, and how a more sex-negative space filled the gaps left by explicitly sex-positive users leaving. Another well known example is the dreaded kink at pride discourse, demanding that we erase important parts of queer history just to satisfy a bunch of assimilationists and cishets. I have also seen whispers of similar currents in the furry community, which has traditionally been a sex-positive, queer majority space. While I am quite confident in the fighting spirit of the furries, and that with “become unmarketable” as our rallying cry, our horniness will be neither contained nor extinguished by American puritanism and the unnatural lifestyle it promotes… I just cannot imagine that things would be anything but worse for people with my experiences without them being the way they are, since I owe so much of my ability to comfortably explore my sexuality, not to mention my spouse, to the community being the way it is. Queer liberation relies on the open defiance of societal norms surrounding sexuality, because it relies on queer people not having to be ashamed about falling outside of sexual norms. We are absolutely not past that point yet, so why the fuck do we have people saying that it’s time to start being ashamed of this shit again? I would call it a form of assimilationism.
Superb writeup, I enjoyed it a lot ty
Counterpoint: hollywood sex scenes are the cinematic equivalent of a hooters. It’s crass titillation for the sort of person who cranks it to the sears catalogue and starts trembling in excitement when they read the word “nubile.” It’s also a “legitimate” excuse for directors to force actresses to undress around them, like the piece of shit showrunners behind GoT who started plotting revenge on Emilia Clarke after she was able to renegotiate her contract so she wouldn’t have to undress around them anymore.
this is an extremely reactionary and anti-art and anti-human stance, that the only thing sex is is hardcore porn
that is not what I meant to imply but I understand how it came across that way, it wasn’t the most well-articulated comment. I want to clarify that I’m not saying it’s a good thing that our culture is becoming more porno-brained & I’m not personally against sex scenes in media.
most porn isn’t a good representation of sex but neither is most of what we see in movies/TV, where sex is so often used for little reason other than to scintillate the audience, i.e. its just porn-lite. hollywood depictions of conventionally attractive people having heterosexual intercourse was perhaps always boring, but it’s especially boring to younger generations who grew up in a more overtly sexualized culture with easy access to pornography.
And I wasn’t only talking about hardcore porn by the way, today there is such a wide variety of content appealing to people’s diverse sexual interests, many of which have never been depicted in more conventional media.
I’m all in favor of more honest and realistic portrayals of sex in media that serve a thematic purpose, or are at least interesting.
I have never seen a tasteful or meaningful sex scene in a movie. It always comes off as soft-core randomly inserted into the movie.
you’ve never watched Cronenberg or Verhoeven or City of God?
Anyway, that’s fine. Watch PG movies for babies and Marvel slop. It’s sexless and made just for you. Stop trying to take sex out of art
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Many people in this very thread are asking cronenberg not to do sex scenes and saying there are 0 “valid” sex scenes in all of film and cinema, that all sexual content should be prohibited
I feel like you live in a different whacko world universe than me where Hollywood blockbusters still have sex scenes in 2023. It’s been more than a decade since there’s been any “titillation” scenes in mainstream movies. Movies need more sex and life, not less. There was a brief period from the 70s to the 90s where sex in movies was somewhat common, and it’s not a coincidence that most of the best films of history arose from this period after censorship had been loosened but before profit had fallen and monopolization taken hold, stagnating the industry.
Oppenheimer had a scene where he reads from the Bhagavad Gita while fucking and it was the lamest thing I have ever witnessed. I did not want to see every one of florence ough’s ass pores projected on a 7 story imax screen. Makes me so fucking glad Anglos can’t read my religion’s holy texts.
A couple dozen exceptions doesn’t change my point. The vast majority of sex scenes in film are gratuitous fan-service for bazinga brains. A couple high culture directors making tasteful scenes doesn’t negate that.
If every movie had a hamfisted shitting scene a couple directors making emotional scenes about how being constipated is a metaphor for impotent masculinity wouldn’t make the other shitting scenes justified.
A couple dozen exceptions doesn’t change my point. The vast majority of sex scenes in film are gratuitous fan-service for bazinga brains. A couple high culture directors making tasteful scenes doesn’t negate that.
Yes it does. Keep your moralistic grubby mitts off my “high culture directors”, I don’t trust your taste or judgment of what is “high culture” and don’t recognize your authority over what I and artists are allowed
Definitely approve of less sex scenes in videogames (every videogame character I play becomes an asexual, because I have no interest in getting my videogame-man to videogame-plow the videogame-woman – I’m just here for the combos, folks), and I would like a moratorium on depiction of sexual violence in basically all media until directors at least figure out not to shoot it like fetish porn.
As a strange personal anecdote (which may just be me snitching on myself really hard, but whatever) I’ve been in the room with people as they just casually watched hardcore pornography (which I still find baffling – that there are people who will just, like, watch porn with their friend-group), and somehow that was less awkward than watching a movie with those same friends that had an unexpected sex scene. I’m genuinely not sure what to make of that.
Sex scenes in video games can be some of the worst things imaginable. Replaying Cyberpunk not too long ago I had to mute and look away during the scene with Alt because it made me so unbelievably uncomfortable. Like there’s a bit of dysphoria, a bit of cringe, and a bit of “oh god please stop.” It’s also been a long road of video game sex scenes just being terribly done, models just can’t come together like that and not clip. They’re also not going to put in the effort that a porn game does for the animations because they’re not trying to make porn.
When I was a teenager I liked to sometimes randomly put hentai audio on my ipod so I could have it randomly pop up and make my friends react. But also sometimes back then the dubs (Nothing explicit, but it’s still clips from porn, also a girl jumps from a roof) were just something totally unhinged and hilarious all on their own.
my videogame-man
Well, there’s your problem.
Having my whole party constantly trying to fuck me did not enhance Baldur’s Gate 3 in any way. Jesus people I’m a little more worried about the tadpole in my head than the fact that you’re horny. You’ve got a tent if you need release that badly
Apparently they were extra horned up due to a glitch lol
I’ve defs watched porn with friends in the case of background noise or laughing at some weird plot or costuming. Like, the style of bad acting and writing in that stuff can be genuinely entertainingly bad.
Oh my god one time my friends and I watched this Peter Pan porno and it was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen. It was hilarious.
The Volcel agenda is going strong, you love to see it :volcel-judge-smiling: