Hi all! I used to be a daily r/selfhosted lurker and a bit active user. Since the Reddit saga I thought that r/selfhosted would be one of the first and bigger community to move to Lemmy due to the IT knowledge of all of their users and the sensitivity about self host/privacy/open source, but I see that not only the community is still all there, but it’s rising. :( That really makes me sad. How can we convince the mods there to move people here? Is it allowed to talk about Lemmy on Reddit or do we risk of being banned?
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Ever since the api shit happend, and mods left their subs unmoderated, I feel like there are more bot accounts/posts on Reddit than ever.
That’s also because a lot of mods used the API to detect bots and other malicious users. These tools were removed so even if the mods didn’t leave, they are now significantly less effective.
I agree with all the comments so far but would like to add my own thoughts. Users are not important. Personally I moved to lemmy because the quality of discussion on reddit dropped so much.
This has been my trajectory:
- avid reddit user and content creator there (not sure if the right term) 2016 - 2018
- lurker from 2018 to 2023
- completely dropped reddit and moved to lemmy
My hope is that we can have the same kind of content and discussion in pre 2020 reddit
yeah the comment per day graph is not doing too hot. Subscriber count may be rising but comment count is constantly in the valley.
If you look at the charts you linked, you can see the users activity (post per day and comments per day) is falling sharply since last month. Subscribers count mean nothing if a big proportion of the active posters leave.
It’s interesting how Lemmy shows active users before subscribing. Even reddit shows “readers” (people currently online), but people hyperfocus on subscribers (which can be dead accounts).
Makes sense, the people who have both the tech knowledge and conviction on the advantages of selfhosting, were probably the most active posters.
The new subscribers are probably bots.
100% how spez started out initially and made it appear that reddit had a lot of activity. So this definitely smells like spez-tricks
Definitely. Inflating numbers for the sake of the upcoming IpO
Post per day seams steady at about 30/40, comment per day seams to have dropped from 3/400 to 250/300, I would have expected a great fall.
If you compare post per days from before the strike, it definitely falls. It’s no longer an upward trajectory despite subscribers growth.
You need to compare with the same period last year.
If you look at the chart, pretty much nothing comparable to the same period last year. January 2023 is a lot higher than January 2022 for example. July 2023 is also higher than July 2022.
Yeah I wouldnt be surprised if spez is bolstering subscriber numbers for larger subs with bot accounts
I like it here on Lemmy as there are quality talks from people and not too much circlejerking same concepts around. I actually like going trough here.
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The fediverse keeps sabotaging itself with instances defederating left and right, that way it’ll never become an alternative regular user would want to join.
Defederation isn’t sabotage. It’s a feature for healthy communities. Anyone that is interested in discussions on either defederated community, will create an account for both.
Anyone that is interested in discussions on either defederated community, will create an account for both.
And that is the reason why reddit is still growing. If you are required to make multiple accounts just to engage with the communities you want to engage with, Lemmy is no better than separate forums. And those all got overshadowed by reddit for a reason.
Lazy users is why Reddit blotted out individual forums.
There is an interesting op-ed adressing the ‘issue’ of ‘lazy users’: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/op-ed-why-the-great-twittermigration-didnt-quite-pan-out/
Either way, you won’t convert anyone by attacking them. If you want Lemmy to be able to replace proprietary social media platforms, which is something I want, you have to meet the users’ expectations. The expectation for Lemmy is a Reddit-like experience. But with the fracturing of Lemmy into instances that block each other, normal user will simply stay on Reddit.
Really mobile apps need to make multi-account easy, problem solved.
I still like individual forums and use them on occasion. For me, the reason why Reddit was better is because of the UI. The default phpBB skin is awful for following a dialog in my opinion; Reddit’s much more compact threads free of annoying signature blocks and giant user profile panels is much nicer. Personally I’d be perfectly happy to go back to the days of individual forum accounts if the forums had nice UIs like Reddit or Lemmy. Even Flarum is an example of a traditional forum software with a decent UI. The big missing thing though is threaded conversation which I much prefer over a flat forum, something that Lemmy offers.
Honestly, for anyone not particularly tech literate it’s a bit confusing. It’s got Lemmy in the name. It’s the same UI. Most are going to wonder why they’re suddenly logged out or why they need another account. It’s not intuitive if it’s not something you’re particularly used to.
More subscribers… check More comment… maybe check Quality content… nah
I use RSS to get r/selfhosted post and I can guarantee that most posts are amateurs asking questions.
My favorite r/selfhosted comment.
Ahahaha, top message!!!
Everyone there probably decided not to self-host because they can’t hide it behind their VPN lol
Same with r/antiwork they closed briefly and when Reddit sneezed their way, they opened the sub instantly. Talking about hypocrisy.
There’s a lot of subs like these which I don’t want to name. Basically, subs with anti-corpo principles but refuses to leave corpo Reddit. I’m happy for the subs who are still dark even until now (and even more reason to be now that Reddit is deleting older DMs and removing awards/coins).
Basically, subs with anti-corpo principles but refuses to leave corpo Reddit.
See also: Discord
It’s the old, stay in bed with the devil instead of sleeping in the cold.
Why not name them? Personally, I’m most disappointed in r/cyberpunk. They kind of proved they are all about neon lights.
Every movement, subculture, whatever is just about fashion for 98% of the people involved. Fashion is easy. Values are hard.
Well, imho, at least half of r/antiwork posts were escapist fiction of how one should have replied to their manager.
I guess moving to lemmy was too much work.
You would think, of all the communities that would be comfortable with migration, it would be the folks from
/r/selfhosted!Fellow user from there, btw, nice to see we’ve got a decent pool of people on this board instead.
Well that’s probably a reason why this community is so strong compared to other nieche communities
Totally agree. Thought the same when the reddit shitstorm happened.
Why would you care about getting banned from Reddit?
Because Lemmy has about 0.something % of the users that Reddit has and I still find useful some subreddit.
Well firstly, why do you care about being banned if you’re leaving Reddit?
Come to terms with Reddit not dying overnight. Lemmy isn’t going to vanish if people don’t move over straight away. Reddit will eventually succumb to the 1000s of tiny self-inflicted cuts. Post content that isn’t on Reddit and people will have a motivation to stay here.
Make Lemmy the place to be when reddit kills the next thing, and the next thing, and the next thing. Yeah we’re small, but we’re something crazy like almost 10x the size we were before the 3rd party app shitshow.
We aim to be the place where people can migrate to next time reddit causes a freakout, like killing old reddit
Do what you can to make this the place you want to be.
You got it all wrong, everyone is on Threads … Nah, I just subscribed to learn about starting some self hosting. I’m running a local media server, which was easy, but want to branch out to photo backup from my various phones/accounts. Getting nervous that Google will just close my account one day for no reason. Anyway, don’t fret, the community doesn’t need to be 💯 today, it’ll get there.
I personally believe reddit will live on, that’s just the way its going to be. I dropped off, but my account is still there.
allowed to talk about Lemmy on Reddit
if /r/lemmy is any proof; A) its ok to talk about lemmy on reddit and B) /u/spez has some validity in his point about users would be back not just because of the ‘48hr’ thing.
That said, yes a loud enough minority can create change and that discussion does need to happen where the users are for the network effect to kick off.
Some mods are deleting comments/posts promoting lemmy. I made a post in my fav sub about the community in lemmy and the mods deleted it.
I had at least three comments talking about Lemmy removed too. For all I know it was many more than that because I didn’t get any notice or explanation.
My take is that they’re censoring without even informing people because the fediverse is a real threat to them.
Same, the big 3 communities I host here I made very open posts, not pleading or encouraging people to move even, just “hey, we exist over here if you are curious”. All immediately removed, the mods were having none of that
it is good.
the scum stays in the puddle of mud. just like ppl still being on fb or twitter…they create nothing new. and so is r/selfhosted …they will repeat their stacks over and over again. it’s like asking people for advice on music…on myspace in 2023.
Oh come on, that’s not true and you know it. There’s still good people there (in r/selfhosted) posting good stuff.
Edit: specified that I’m talking about r/selfhosted and not MySpace.
because the drain has just started maybe?
oooor, imagine this: they are just nice and yet create nothin new?
when was the last good music recommendation you found on myspace? maybe there are still good music things on but nobody gives a fuck and those still using myspace,fb or r/selfhostes are just pathetic and keep riding a dead horse.
when was the last good music recommendation you found on myspace
I was still talking about r/selfhosted!
me too. reddit, myspace…dead horses. and those that chose to keep on riding it will have a terrible smell
