If you’re thinking of guns, remember that cars kill way more.
Also, propaganda influences you. Yes you. So don’t be so sure.
this is the weirder equivalent of pit bull owners crying about Chihuahuas
I guess cars do kill a lot of people. We should make take tests before they’re allowed to use them. And they should have to register them. Oh, and they should have to have insurance if they plan to use them. Oh oh, and there should be some kind of enforcement of proper use of them. Oh oh oh…
That sure solved all the problems with cars and automobile related deaths.
Didn’t it dramatically reduce them?
Not the the point that they are lower than any other kind of violent death. Even with all the regulations and licensing requirements for cars, they still kill more people than guns or any other kind of object that can be dangerous.
Yes, but gun nuts are the dumbest pieces of shit you’ll ever encounter in your life. You’re wasting your time by trying to explain simple concepts like this.
I don’t know you but I would hope someone will have spent some time with rural peoples before making claims like this.
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It can be surprisingly difficult to get a therapist in the US if you don’t have insurance. Honestly, I found the process remarkably frustrating even with insurance.
I don’t know what it’s like in the other countries listed, but they all have much better healthcare systems than the US, so I imagine it’s much easier.
No those places’ history of massacres were enacted by perfectly “sane” governments
But American gun owners with their super cool guns stopped it happening there right?
So far yeah
I assumed you were talking about governments genociding their native populations but apparently I gave you too much credit and you actually believe Canada and Australia just routinely massacre their citizens.
Because you’re a fucking idiot.
I’m referring to native populations to immigrants, to all groups that are unarmed.
Unarmed populations get massacred. Just a fact of life. And the armed citizenry of the USA haven’t been. Because we’re armed.
It’s bizarre to make something that doesn’t hold up to 3 minutes of fact checking such a large part of your personality.
Those same people who point to mental health are the ones denying any kind of public funding to address such issues (aka voting “no” on proposed legislation). There might be similar rates of mental health challenges in other countries - but we can also acknowledge that the US lags far behind in offering any kind of supportive system for those in need.
Well because here you can get treatment for your mental and physical illness without ending up in debt for the rest of your life
Even when americans hate guns they can’t help revolving their entire mentality around them.
The best and cheapest possible treatment you can get here for mental illness is the kind you grow on your own sadly 🍄
Hahahahaha! Mental illness treatment? In Canada? Got insurance to cover that or years to wait?
This part is no better than the USA (and surprise surprise, it’s mostly privatized!)
years
u mean a couple weeks, right? or have you never left bumfuck, Missouri?
In Canada you can wait years for a psychologist in the public sector.
Accessing mental health services in the UK is a nightmare though.
It’s basically impossible in the US.
It’s also a nightmare in much of the US if you are not rich or happen to have excellent insurance. Having to wait six months to receive a bill you can’t afford isn’t great.
Agreed. I’m just pointing out that it’s not lack of access to mental health services that’s preventing gun deaths in the UK, it’s lack of access to guns.
I couldn’t leave the house for 5 years becuase I was terrified of people, and when I finally went to see a GP for help all I got was “well I can’t sell you a pill to fix it so I’m not going to do anything”.
Was in a deep depression. I have good Healthcare and tried to make an appt with a psychiatrist to take care of it.
6 month waiting list… I thought US Healthcare was supposed to be better than this?
Still cost me $300 when I finally got in too since it’s a specialist… Fml
those other countries still have issues.
They just don’t have easy access to guns. Doesn’t mean the guy with schizophrenia down the street found a compound bow and hasn’t been threatening people and requires 5 police officers each and every time someone calls it in.
It doesn’t mean the guy who set himself on fire the other day was a figment of everyone’s imagination.
It doesn’t mean the guy stabbing people in the neck just outside of one of the main stations because the bible told him to doesn’t exist
Or the other guy wielding a machete outside another one of the stations threatening people with it just didn’t happen.
It doesn’t mean there isn’t domestic violence because of someone’s underlying undiagnosed problems.
please stop downplaying mental illness and violence.
It’s literally because guns are hard to get here. I’d have killed myself by now if they weren’t.
you can always go be black near a cop and that would get you executed pretty quick
Tall buildings are also a thing. I tried ODing but now I’m glad it didn’t work out.
same. fr tho glad you’re still here.
Not really how things work in the UK.
Are you ok? I know life hits hard sometimes and I get what you’re saying, but that sounds like you’re in a bit of a dark place right now.
I’m just some random internet idiot from Canada but if you need someone to vent to, I’d be happy to listen, as I’m sure many others would be. No judgement.
Just had my heart broken, she slept with another guy while I was helping my friend prepare his house for his sister (while she was being evacuated from a war zone). She suddenly blocked my number and when I finally bumped into her at the gym (two weeks later) she grinned when I said my feelings were hurt by that. I feel utterly emasculated, worthless and ugly, to the point I see something grotesque when I look in the mirror. It’s really peculiar. Maybe it’s okay, there wasn’t much heart left to break.
Ah yup that would do it, she sounds like a real piece of work that one.
I dated a girl “J” for a few years once. She was pretty hot, we got along well, and I thought I was in love with her. I blew lots of money on her, and near the end even lent her enough money to buy a minivan that she had wanted to replace her shitty car with the deal being that she’d pay be back the money in installments when she could afford it. Then she tried ghosting me and refused to pay me anything. (I learned later that she started hanging around some other guy right after I loaned her the money.) Long story short, I was just a tool for her to use because I made good money at the time. ( I did eventually get most of my money back but it wasn’t easy or nice.) It really hurt to get taken advantage of by someone who I loved and thought loved me back.
Now, many years later I realize I wasn’t in love with her at all… I was only in love with who I thought she was. The flags were there, I was too dumb to pay attention to them. The real “J” didn’t deserve the time of day from me, let alone all I did for her. To be honest it doesn’t sound like this lady is worth your love either.
I just wanted somebody to love, I think. And she was very pretty. I was ready to pay half the fees for her Master’s degree, I guess it’s a good thing it didn’t get that far but hard to see things that way at the moment.
hard to see things that way at the moment.
For sure, it’s hard to see clearly when your heart is broken. I was the same way. They say time heals all wounds, but it sure as hell doesn’t feel that way when you’re depressed and sad. I stopped dating for several years after my ordeal just to try and get all my ducks in a row again and focused on myself. I knew it wasn’t my fault but that didn’t make me feel any better. Hell, I’m still a bit mad at myself for ignoring the signs and letting it get as far as it did.
I wish I could say that you will find the right one that will love you as much as you love her, but I’m no psychic. But what I do know is there are many women out there that have had the same experience you and I have had that are in, or have been in the same boat. They are not easy to find because they tend to withdraw from others just like I had. But they are out there, sometimes in the least expected places. And all they want is to be loved for who they are, just like you and me.
How did you get those ducks in a row? My life is not great, and I have a hard time creating opportunities for myself even though I’m an extremely hard worker.
Well, I guess whether I ever actually succeeded in getting them in a row would be a matter of opinion lol. I don’t make nearly the kind of money I used to, in fact money is pretty tight the last little while for me. I was a hard worker too, always the first one to jump to get things done and everywhere I worked I was always getting raises and was the one to be trusted with getting things done. But then at one point I had a bad accident at work that didn’t do me any favors in the least bit.
Between the accident and me getting older I’m not in great shape anymore. I get bad headaches, My back is shot, my right hand only has a limited range of motion, my knees are crap, my lungs are scarred, my kidneys hate me, blah blah blah.
So now I live out in the boonies near a tiny village of about 400 people with my oldest daughter who has cerebral palsy. My other daughter lives nearby about a half km away, and I spend most of my time helping them out and fixing their stuff, and trying to make friends with the local stray cats. Not where I expected to end up considering I’ve always been a hyper-active “go go go” type of person but that’s ok… It’s not much, but I’m happy with that for whatever time I have left.
It’s literally because they have free healthcare.
*Free lol
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Running statistical analysis on the data now. Preliminary results suggest video games as the main causal effect.
Are you sure it’s not Dungeons and Dragons and that heavy metal music?
And don’t forget about Tarot cards and Astrology!
Are you sure it’s not vaccines? Either the vaccine the shooter took made them do it, or if they weren’t vaccinated the vaccines in the people around them!
For the record, we have video games, D&D and tarot cards up here in Canada.
No you dont Canada is a frozen wasteland populated exclusively by Moose. Except Newfoundland their real.
Everybody knows that sane, law abiding citizens become mass murderers the moment they hold a gun in their hands.
Yes, limiting access to the tools of murder will decrease murders caused by those same tools, but it does nothing to eliminate the murderous intentions of those people.
If we truly care about people’s well being we should be doing both, reduce the risk of senseless shootings and massacres (gun control) and assist those with murderous intentions and other mental health issues who, believe it or not, are also victims of our sick culture and so-called societies.Most gun owners live in a paranoid fantasy world with a hero complex. I’ve heard some wild shit come from the mouths of people who own guns. Many who do own them should have them taken away. It’s mostly brainwashing and less about mental disorders with these people.
Have you ever seen anyone arguing against mental health help? Only one of the two solutions you mentioned has a bunch of idiot fighting against it.
You also can’t make mental health illegal overnight. People are born with mental health issues, it’s not something they buy at the store or grab from their fathers closet.
Ban guns, ban guns now. Fuck gun culture and fuck all gun owners (even the responsible ones)
I understand your point, but everytime I see someone pointing at mental issues, it just seems to be like they will point at anything except the guns. We can thoroughly take care of the more complicated part of the problem once the easy part has been solved and they are killing childrens with knives instead of bullets.
Nope, fuck you. We will not ban guns, and there is nothing you can ever do about it. Our gun rights are set in stone.
I know it’s hard since you have built your personality around it and without guns, everyone becomes stridently aware how uninteresting you are but it’s necessary for society so deal with it.
Your snowflake feelings aren’t more important than innocent lives, loser
My feelings about it are irrelevant, and you have no idea about me except your strawman bad guy concept that you imagined. Ad hominem attacks are inherently weak.
I support all rights for all Americans, and will continue to do so perpetually. The US Supreme Court has confirmed the individual right to own firearms in triplicate, and the amendment that right is supported by will never be repealed since it requires 3/4 of the 50 US states to ratify. You can deal with that with your own feelings one way or another, which are also irrelevant to the facts of the matter.
You support all rights except the one to feel safe in public places.
The supreme Court is busy dismantling abortion rights, they are obviously not a beacon of sanity and justice.
Believe what you want but your little hard-on for gunpowder is costing innocent lives.
Also, get off your high horse. You started your reply literally with a fuck you, it’s a bit late to cry about me calling you a snowflake lol
Nope, you don’t get to speak for me. I alone represent myself and I have done so with my former statements of fact.
I will remain on this high horse because it was YOU who started with “Fuck You” to all gun owners. I responded proportionally.
Regardless of who started, it makes you a hypocrite to try to call me out on it when you exhibit the same behavior. That’s more my point.
Also, it’s not a good thing to stay on a high horse. The expression means you are being arrogant and snoby but you do you.
Have you ever seen anyone arguing against mental health help?
Yes, several times. Even this meme implies that arguing for more and better mental health services as a solution to massacres is foolishly wrong. Also, another reply I got here says:
Nah, we don’t very much need to worry about the murderous intentions, as long as they’re not able to put them into action.
You also can’t make mental health illegal overnight. People are born with mental health issues, it’s not something they buy at the store or grab from their fathers closet.
I think you are a bit confused about what I’m suggesting here, or I’m not understanding what you mean with this.
Ban guns, ban guns now. Fuck gun culture and fuck all gun owners (even the responsible ones)
We can thoroughly take care of the more complicated part of the problem once the easy part has been solvedYou think banning guns is the easy part? History has shown us time and time again that prohibitions don’t work. Even if possession of a single firearm was punished with death people would still own and trade them as it happens with drugs in places where its punished with death.
Gun control or even prohibition is like a small umbrella under heavy rain, you dont get drenched but you still get wet. We need a raincoat, a hat and rubber boots.
To be fair, better metal health services is not an absolute solution either, there are plenty more stuff we should improve in order to achieve a real solution.Lol, guns aren’t an addicting substance thats consumed, you can’t make guns easily with veggies and a vat. It isn’t comparable to alcohol or the prohibition.
And again, it becomes clear that anyone arguing for other solutions just wants to keep their guns, they don’t actually care about the situation or how it’s affecting people.
Get a better hobby than aiming a stick at paper targets. It’s menial, pathetically simple and is leading to real problems for zero gains except to your ego. GROW UP.
anyone arguing for other solutions just wants to keep their guns, they don’t actually care about the situation or how it’s affecting people.
false dichotomy
It isn’t comparable to alcohol or the prohibition.
there’s a direct comparison.
you can’t make guns easily
wrong
Get a better hobby
It’s menial, pathetically simple and is leading to real problems for zero gains except to your ego. GROW UP.
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What about gun owners who support restrictions and bans? There is a small group of us. Also gun owners who need to have them for their job as police, security, or soldiers? Farmers and Hunters have legitimate reasons, too. The government are never going to give up guns. Neither will criminals. The cat is out of the bag on them. We will never be done with guns until a better alternative is developed like the phasers from Star Trek or something. So saying fuck people for just owning a gun is a bit shortsighted, at least in my opinion.
What about gun owners who support restrictions and bans? Sorry, I’m over here busy caring about DEAD CHILDREN. I don’t give a fuck if you want to keep your happy fun times playing with dangerous weapons as if they were toys. Grow up, this is bigger than your hobby.
It’s crazy how many activities are available to us in this modern age that don’t involve potential death.
Obviously, I’m not talking about police or the army. I don’t care about farmers and hunters, they can learn to trap it, bow it or fish it.
How many innocent people are you willing to cut down so you can have your fun. Put a number on it. Less than 100 school children per year and we get to keep our guns? Sounds gross doesn’t it?
Did you read my comment? I said I would vote for restrictions or bans. That means I would give up my gun. I am not the reason guns are so freely available in the US. Since that’s the way it is, I figured I’d face reality and learn how to use them. It’s not a hobby, I live in a place with a lot of gun crime. I would prefer if they weren’t so easy to get, but here we are. I’m going to continue to choose to live in objective reality here, and if/when restrictions or bans are actually feasible in this country I’ll be all for it.
You are naive if you think there is no legitimate hunting use for them. I don’t think you understand how important hunting is in certain parts of the US. It keeps the ecosystem from collapsing in more rural places.
What about gun owners who support restrictions and bans? Sorry, I’m over here busy caring about DEAD CHILDREN.
People need kidneys, it’s sad but decreed yet this Senator’s hoarding one more than she needs I offer this bill and I hope you’ll vote “aye” Unless, of course, you just want PEOPLE TO DIE!
Traffic deaths have many crying with fear Over 30,000 people are dying each year this modest change I propose must be applied Unless, of course, you just want PEOPLE TO DIE!
Alcohol deaths are exceeding comparisons Black people, white people, Native Americans We need to ban alcohol, it can’t be denied Unless, of course, you just want PEOPLE TO DIE!
Murders are bad. They have no defenders yet many are committed by repeat offenders I say lifetime in prison, whatever the crime unless, of course, you want PEOPLE TO DIE!
These car deaths I mentioned are terrible stuff It just doesn’t seem that one seatbelt’s enough Either vote for my act so that fewer will cry Unless, of course, you just want PEOPLE TO DIE!
The carbs. The container. We cannot ignore Whipped cream’s killing more people than ever before This bill would be passed and be ratified if those people there didn’t want PEOPLE TO DIE!
None of those things are remotely comparable to guns lol. Nice try but adults are able to easily spot rhetoric.
I don’t understand what the kidney one is about.
Cars are central to our society, it would collapse without it(although I’m completely for phasing them out). Their main use is transport, not killing people.
Everything else you mentioned only affects the person using it and killin isn’t their main use. My neighbor can’t kill me because he’s mad about his job and is eating too much whip cream.
Guns are made to kill. People are using it to kill innocent people. No one needs a gun(except certain professions and I’m clearly not talking about banning it for then). Go back to posting pictures.
No one needs a gun(except certain professions and I’m clearly not talking about banning it for then).
name a profession you think needs a gun more than the working people need guns, please.
That’s easy since working people don’t need guns.
Infantryman, swat, police(but the UK policemen don’t have them so probably not after a few years of a gunless society), ice cream truck driver
Nice try but adults are able to easily spot rhetoric.
Are you okay there buddy?
What if I want to hunt so I can eat meat without supporting factory farming?
Just playing devils advocate here, I agree we need gun control in the US. But saying “fuck responsible gun owners” seems pretty black and white.
It seems to me that the media loves to latch onto gun stories to further polarize the US. Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book. Republicans don’t want anyone thinking. They want emotional reactivity and sensationalized, impulsive retorts with lack of reasoning from both “sides” and nothing close to nuanced thought.
I need to specify fuck all gun owners because everytime, one comes out of the woodwork talking about how he likes the hobby and he keeps his gun safe. Well his hobby is leading to unnecessary deaths and he should grow the fuck up. If you want to eat meat without the factory, raise it, bow it, trap it, fish it or go vegan. People don’t deserve to die because of some snowflake that only eats wild game or some loser that built his whole personality on aiming a stick.
That being said, there is an easy compromise; no private ownership of guns. You want to have fun shooting clay pigeons, rent the gun at the range. You want to spend time with the boys shooting hogs, rent the gun at the hunting ground. But it’s a non starter because that takes away the whole power thing and that’s the real reason people are so obsessed with the damn things.
I guess people really can’t have this conversation without it being super emotionally charged. I mean, you can kill a person with a bow too, I don’t think that’s really a viable solution, it’s also a dangerous weapon. Anything you use to easily kill an animal can be used against humans, and arguably should be regulated too. And not everyone has the land, money, and resources to raise their own domestic animals for food.
Insulting people who want to ethically eat meat and anyone who owns a gun is what your going for here, but I don’t see where the “snowflake” remark comes in. It’s a big jump to say someone who wants to hunt to avoid factory farming has their entire personality built around it and to minimize their attempt at ethical food consumption by calling it a “hobby”. And saying “fuck all everyone who does X” is usually a pretty unhelpfully broad generalization that lacks scrutiny. You’re using the “attacking someone’s character” fallacy.
Renting a weapon to hunt seems like a decent solution, but who is qualified to rent or safekeep the weapons? Then they’re just in someone elses hands. What criteria do we use to judge who’s capable of renting them out?
My point is it’s a complex issue, and anyone who says it’s so easily solved by doing “this one thing” isn’t considering every angle.
The personality part is aimed at people that think having easy distribution of weapons is justified by their choice of hobby(not hunting but gun range).
You can’t kill a crowd of people with a bow.
The current ownership restrictions can be used for hunting. Anyone that clearly isn’t fit to use it doesn’t get to. The difference is it’s not sitting in someone’s closet where an innocent child, angsty teenager or jealous spouse can just pull it out. If you’re in the middle of a psychotic episode, the guy at the counter just won’t rent it to you.
You aren’t getting real responses because we’ve heard it all before. They are weak arguments, as if you didn’t know the simple difference between a bow and a gun.
So no, it’s not complex. Guns are dangerous, they are being misused. The negatives of everyone having access to them outweigh the benefits by a huge amount. Ban them.
Do you really think no one else in the world is hunting?
Copy any weapon possession law from another first world country and it’s already a great step in the right direction.
This is the perfect example of a strawman fallacy. I didn’t say no one else in the world was hunting. I asked a question. Interesting how your first reaction is to immediately attack a position I didn’t take. That’s what I mean about the impulsive responses.
In any case, which laws from which countries are you referring to specifically?
So, to summarize, your answer to the question is people should be allowed to own guns to hunt with restrictions?
This is the perfect example of a strawman fallacy. I didn’t say no one else in the world was hunting. I asked a question. Interesting how your first reaction is to immediately attack a position I didn’t take. That’s what I mean about the impulsive responses.
You asked a question that is very easily answered by looking at any other country. Which is why I referred to any other country.
Nothing about that is an attack lol
In any case, which laws from which countries are you referring to specifically?
Take Germany’s laws for example.
So, to summarize, your answer to the question is people should be allowed to own guns to hunt with restrictions?
Yes, in a model similar to Germany. Which means you can only purchase weapons made for hunting, you need to be a trained and licensed hunter, your weapons needed to be unloaded and locked away any time you aren’t hunting, no every day carry, etc.
I am one of these people who think the only meat you should eat is hunted by yourself. Not just because of the animal rights violations in the farming industry but also because birthing something to eat it is immoral in my eyes and I feel there’s a weight that comes with killing something. I don’t count hunting with a gun as hunting, its simply unfair, there’s no challenge and the animal doesn’t have a chance. If you can’t make it yourself in nature, you shouldn’t use it. I’m okay with bringing knives n all but I personally prefer to make them myself.
Have you ever seen anyone arguing against mental health help? Only one of the two solutions you mentioned has a bunch of idiot fighting against it.
No, the same group of people fights against BOTH the solutions.
Reagan is responsible for gutting our mental health infrastructure, and Republicans vote against increasing funding consistently.
They won’t support restrictions on gun ownership because they say the problem is mental health, but they won’t support spending on mental health either. (Most likely because they seem to oppose anything that would actually help people who suffer.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980
https://sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html
This last one is a ddg search - you can just pick which article you want to read about Republicans voting against mental health funding.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=republicans+vote+against+mental+health+funding
If fires are happening because of so much gas around, and matches that people are lighting, you limit the amount of matches AND the amount of gasoline.
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Nah, we don’t very much need to worry about the murderous intentions, as long as they’re not able to put them into action.
That’s the problem, guns let people turn those intentions into actions very easily.
The Nice, France truck attack resulted in more deaths than someone shooting pseudo-automatic high capacity magazine rifles into a crowd of hundreds of people from an elevated position for like 30 minutes straight in Las Vegas
People in Europe can easily enact their murderous intentions, they just seem to not have them at anywhere near the same scale
The fact that a bag o’ guns enables one lone nutjob to carry out an attack comparable to a targeted attack from an organized terror group / government kind of proves the point that guns are in fact the problem.
It doesn’t exactly take an organized terror group to rent a truck and get one single pistol, anyone with the will to do it could have committed that attack
Well whenever we have a massive problem with frequent mass killings involving trucks we can talk about truck control too.
Fair enough, at least you are honest in your selfishness.
It’s better for all concerned. The would-be murderers have the opportunity to reconsider and seek help before they’re in jail for life or killed by the police.
I would argue that gun control is more immediately actionable and greatly reduces the capability of the mentally disturbed to commit atrocities of such scale at such a common rate.
Long-term? Yes, access to mental health care and a culture that encourages receiving it will help immensely. But that takes time and will ultimately not save nearly as many people as gun control would. We need both, but gun control can happen today.
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I’m not saying it will, I’m saying it CAN. If suddenly there were an armed militia of private liberal citizens who were protesting outside the capitol buildings and offices of enough pro-2nd amendment congresspeople, laws would be passed very quickly to make that not happen.
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Most of us don’t want to be murdered by the local police or CIA
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I would argue that it isn’t immediately actionable until we amend the constitution. Gun control is being stricken down all over the place, and honestly that’s an appropriate application of the foundational document. If you want real gun control, that is the high bar you need to cross.
Congress could absolutely amend the constitution and control access to guns faster than we could solve the mental health crisis.
Call it a mental health problem, a societal health problem, whatever. Unless we accept that wanting to slaughter the people around you is an unfixable natural quirk of some people’s human experience, then this cannot be purely a gun control issue.
This shit is a recent phenomena and I asked myself what changed since the 90s? That’s when this shit really started popping off…
Only thing I can think of is access to the internet. Before that, struggling kids were benign by themselves. But now they have open access to others like them, and they can foment together. Throw in copy cat behavior and access to guns, that’s the recipe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
It really isn’t. They are happening more frequently, but that’s to be expected with the population boom that we experienced. There were mass shootings in the 1800s in this country, and that’s not counting anything we did to the native Americans.
The fact that you keep arguing how much of a gun control issue it is amongst other contributing factors is almost as big if the reason as the lack of gun control. Its been more than 20 years since Columbine, grow the fuck up and start doing something, WHICH INCLUDES gun control
It includes more appropriately addressing actual underlying issues.
Personally, I don’t want to believe that wanting to brutally murder people around you is an innate human characteristic.
Sounds good.
The gun control crowd can stop mass murderers, criminals and domestic abusers from buying legal, semi-automatic weapons (as well as dumbshit gun owners leaving unsecured firearms around to be stolen or used in their childs suicide).
This will keep everyone much safer while the pro-gun crowd get to work on curing every mental health issue forever, fixing wealth inequality, banning video games and schools with too many doors and whatever other things they think are the root of the problem.
Until they do, indiscriminately selling guns to people clearly isn’t working.
I hear of people getting stabbed like atleast once every two weeks lol.
Gun kill more people at once, which makes bigger headlines, but desperate people are still doing horrible things becuase of a lack of safety nets.
Other than the immediate body count, the only difference is how easy it is to ignore.
Edit: I’m not saying gun control won’t stop gun violence. Pretending that the metal health doesn’t play a role in why people trapped in a bad situation end up doing drastic things is just wrong.
It just gives those in power an excuse to ignore how societal deficits harm people, and it doesn’t really convey a convincing argument for gun control. It comes off as if you think gun control will fix everything, when it just make gun violence exclusively less prevalent.
What are the mortality rates of those two weapons?
Disclaimer: I looked it up quickly and haven’t read a lot.
But from what I see, it’s far more likely to survive stabbing wounds than gunshot wounds. See, e.g., the collection of sources here: https://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/1997/02/24/knives-00006
So even if there were a similar amount of attacks using knives instead of guns (which isn’t the case as others pointed out), then guns would still be worse.
Yes gun kill more, but we don’t really have to stop at killing less people.
And the key to having even less people killed than just an effective gun control policy alone, is acknowledging that mental health does actually play a part. In a well functioning society people aren’t driven to mass murder to begin with.
Fundamentally I agree with you. Raising people who are mature enough to handle guns as well as other dangerous things in a responsible way would be ideal and would make restrictive laws superfluous. We currently see a similar process regarding cannabis laws in several western nations.
However, since we are far from having these necessary circumstances, more restrictive gun control laws are useful to save lives and prevent psychological damage. Meanwhile sure, go ahead and educate people.Realistically, I currently don’t expect that we will have one day a society where we can trust each and every individual that much. This is why I think such laws will always be nececssary.
Apart from that, I don’t see a reason why anyone should posses tools, which are specifically designed to be efficient at killing, for private reasons. I could make an exception for sports. But why would any private person want or need a killing tool?
Saying guns are fine because knives also kill is such a brain dead argument.
Knife crime is still higher in the US per capita compared to the UK (the country often used in knife crime comparisons)…
I didn’t say “guns are fine”.
I said mental health does play a part.
It’s not even like Canada even gives a shit about mental health.
Apparently the Ontario prime minister had heard a out how much people were suffering post pandemic - - - and then cut funding to the point that people could only get 10 sessions with a consoler (not even a psychologist or anything special!)
And it does lead to mass shootings but Americans have to think they are special
wtf is a consoler
better be some kind of empathetic stripper
One only needs to walk around some neighborhoods in Vancouver (hello, Hastings!) to see how much Canada cares about mental healthcare
see how much Canada cares about mental healthcare
Canada, or anywhere else, people do care about mental health care, at least until they have to pay more taxes to take care of it.
I love on Vancouver and it’s very visible here how much people care about mental healthcare
as a australian this is complete crap people here either alcoholics, depressed or corrupt politicians
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Well there is another thing they all have in common…
They’re all dirty commies! At least that’s what Fox News told me.
No, they’re clearly dirty trumpers. You need to lick the correct news nipple.
let me guess, you self identify as a centrist