no U?

he said, spreading misinformation.

m8 just cause you Work with them. doesn’t make you a dietician and registered dieticians are jokes. there is no PHD for telling people how to diet and if there is, holy christ. i spent all my time and money on a computer science masters and legal bachelors for no fucking reason then…get out.

Vitamin B-12 deficiency is more prevalent in vegans.

Can? None. ACTUALLY IRL? PLENTY

meaningful protein.

In B4 u say lentils for the 419292947372th time in your life, probably. likely, usual…

Just browsing ‘all’ I’m not coming in here to hate, in fact i do love Buddhist meals with vermicelli and cloud ear mushrooms, 髮菜, and imitation abalone (braised wheat gluten)

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/wild-things/diet-corn-turns-wild-hamsters-cannibals

trolling vegans is one of the internet’s greatest past times, please respect my culture.

You have a lot of bad information about keto. It certainly doesn’t make you lethargic or miserable, and definitely doesn’t starve your brain. Quite the opposite… it’s being used therapeutically for Parkinson’s disease One of the studies referenced in that article, found here is summarized this way

“More specifically, the symptoms that improved most after keto dieting were urinary problems, pain and other unpleasant sensations, fatigue, daytime sleepiness, and cognitive impairment. These findings are particularly profound because nonmotor symptoms ultimately represent the most disabling aspect of Parkinson’s disease.”

Regarding energy levels most people report having much more energy, and I suspect your friends issue while in the army doing PT was related to electrolytes. People going on any kind of whole food diet, which keto tends to be, often find they get very little salt in their new diet since they’re not eating processed food. People who work out or are otherwise very active often find they have to be intentional about adding salt to their diet or they will in fact find themselves tired and fatigued. Easy to remedy, and again a typical problem for anyone transitioning from a diet with lots of processed foods to one without.

There’s been a lot more un-biased study of keto diets in recent years and a lot better science. It’s not for everybody, but it’s not intrinsically unhealthy and way better than the traditional high-carb, high-sugar, high-processed food diet.

Also, a keto diet does not specifically include or exclude red meat. That’s an individuals choice, just like with virtually any other diet that includes animal protein.

U

making sure u get a well-rounded diet

This is the only important part.

Vegan is fine if you’re replacing the stuff you take out, not just skip it. It’s easier now, but when vegan was just gaining traction, the alternatives weren’t as plentyful as they are now.

But just make sure your diet is well balanced.

you managed to write a wall of text, but still use ‘u’ instead of ‘you’ 🤨

bad for u if u

literally

This is where you lost all cred. Not before the lack of carnatine.

I think they mean if you were just to take your usual diet and remove certain items so as to make your diet keto friendly, you might be fine. But if you took a usual meat/dairy/egg diet and just stopped eating those fortified foods (without finding a substitution for those nutrients), you would be worse off.

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It is clearly possible to have healthy vegan diet, you do have to plan what you eat to have necessary nutrition. If you do not do that, then there is a rather high chance of malnutrition, especially in children. This chance is much less if you are not vegan. This is why people express concern.

Right, you can get plenty of fats from a vegan diet if you are smart about it. The tough part seems to be getting enough healthy fats and proteins. In both keto and vegan diets you can follow the diet and absolutely destroy your body if you don’t also pay attention to essential fats, vitamins, etc.

Should be noted that you can actually do keto vegetarian but boy will it be hard. The more restrictive the diet, the more you need to pay attention to in terms of your nutrition.

B12 would be a much better argument tbh. That said, modern vegan diets can have enough B12 if theyre fortified. IF being the key word.

Avocados.

Yeah definitely impossible for a lot of people. I live somewhere that I can do this and even get eggs from those people. Mmmm tick eggs.

@bitsplease @Poem_for_your_sprog Pretty much. Just also want to add that if we want to make eggs or dairy a staple of our diet (especially dairy), it requires essentially treating other living beings as factories to be abused until they die. Like, cows don’t continuously produce milk all the time, right? They have to give birth and *then* they start producing milk (like literally every mammal). So if we want milk on demand, we need to keep cows continuously pregnant, clearly abuse.

Wanted to add a few arguments I saw about eggs, first that we selectively bred chickens to produce eggs at an extremely high rate (unsure what this does to their well-being, but apparently the laying itself is painless). Second, the chicken’s eggs could be seen as the “work” they do in exchange for keeping them healthy and happy.

more or less sums it up. Source: vegan AF

What a weirdo. I know someone who’s dog died at a prime age and they didn’t even eat it.

There’s a lot of those places in my area, at least for chickens. Not so much for dairy cows.

Adding to this - I really want to emphasize how much of an edge case this is.

Around 60% of the world’s population lives in urban environments, and only ~10-15% of the population works in agriculture where one might expect to encounter a scenario like this.

Living on 10 acres and raising chickens who you hug every night before bed and treat with the utmost respect is a nice ideal to strive for, but it is not achievable for most people, and there is no scenario where we maintain global meat & dairy consumption levels ethically/sustainably. Treating it as a viable solution is disingenuous because it’s only a solution for a limited few.

Back to 4chan with you

You are intentionally ignoring what they said about hens on their own property.

I’m referring more to small farm chickens or chickens that are basically pets (they still plop out tons of eggs). All of the factory farmed products are definitely terrible.

And to clarify I’m not against veganism at all, just curious where/why lines are drawn.

Eating plants is kinda weird too. I mean, do you eat hard wood?

Sure, if everyone involved consents.

As a human, I think it is okay to eat people. Humans are currently overpopulating our planet and have completely taken over. We don’t need that many humans. As a human, I may be very silly and cute, but when my species gets together to do something, we tend to make a big mess of it and just ruin everything. So we must reduce our population one way or another. Additionally, imagine how much meat one of us might have on our bones? Perhaps not as much as a cow, but when there are billions of us then that’s like, billions of pounds of meat! Wow! You like meat right? I know I do. That’s a lot of meat and it’s just right there. I know that personally if any small dinosaurs came up to me and started chewing on my legs I’d let them do it. I don’t need all my meat, you know?

Go green, eat human. Mother nature will thank you!

Sincerely,

- a human

Edit: oh no! I have made the human mistake of accidently saying I like meat on a vegan community post. This was a mistake because vegans do not like meat. I do not understand this because humans eat meat like all superior species. I do not understand why a human would want to eat only plants like human prey animals. I am a human and I like human meat, as it should be.

Edit 2: you know what, fuck this, y’all are way too dense. In what reality do people talk the way I was? Congrats, y’all ruined it.

Edit 3: since you only want very serious answers here’s a serious answer: the problem with human meat has less to do with morals or ethics and more to do with health and safety. Because you are a human, eating human meat, you can contract whatever diseases the human had before death if the meat is undercooked.

Additionally, there are a lot of parasites, like the lowly tapeworm, which are “”“safe”“” when a human consumes tainted animal meat; because the tapeworm thinks it’s in a human and is content to hangout in your intestines. However, if you consume tapeworm eggs that were laid by a “human” tapeworm, the tapeworms that hatch will think they’re in a pig and will have no issues burrowing through your muscles, internal organs and brain.

Another factor is that you are what you eat. There is a reason why humans typically don’t eat other predators like lions or tigers, and that’s because toxins like heavy metals tend to bioaccumulate in them.

Finally, most importantly, for reasons beyond my weak understanding of medical science, humans carry a high risk of prion diseases. Unlike the issues of parasites and diseases, you can not cook a human well enough to eliminate prions and still eat it. The human would be nothing more than ash because you’d have to cook the meat at thousands of degrees to destroy any potential prions the human might have been carrying. These are not something you fuck with. You cannot cure a prion disease. If you have the misfortune of eating something that has been contaminated with a prion, and one of your cells decided to do something with said prion, the only solution is to put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye. You are now a dead man walking. You cannot be cured. A prion is not a virus. It is not a parasite, bacteria, or any form of fungus. It is simply a misfolded protein that your body thinks it can do something with. You will die. Your brain will look like swiss cheese. You will forget everyone you know and love, and there will be nothing you can do about it. Not only that, but again, for reasons beyond my understanding of medical science, your body will use that misfolded protein as a blueprint and will misfold other proteins to make them look like the prion. Your body will become a 3d printer for prions. Anyone who consumes your body will die.

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@SkyeStarfall @Dkarma It never was, especially if you don’t swallow that 2g/lb bullshit.

I’m 206 pounds. Realistically I should be closer to 190. So for soybean to provide 380g of protein I’d need to eat a little more than a 1.05 kilos, 2.3 pounds of soybeans per day. That’s an unrealistic number, especially after figuring in its endocrine disrupter issues and that the vast majority of soybeans on the market are grown with unsustainable herbicide practices. Plus eating the same thing every day is the fast track to being extremely unhealthy.

I’m not trying to argue one needs to eat meat but I am strongly suggesting that before you ever make a similar comment in the future you include way more than soybeans as an alternative. Lentils, peas, different types of beans, anything more than one. I’d probably not look at true nuts because those have their own issues with water usage. Peanuts are not true nuts. They offer 25.8g of protein per 100g. Comparable with beef but a 10th the water needed of almonds.

I avoid soy whenever I can because of the environmental and endocrine disrupter issues.