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These “tips” website were already pure garbage before, but now… eugh.
$3/month really means nothing to me, considering I already $18.99/month for a YouTube music family plan.
My issue is them purposely attempting to make my experience worse and then selling what they have arbitrarily taken away back to me.
If you product is so valuable the only way a conpany can sell it is to attack your user’s experience so you pay them to stop it really starts drawing too many similarities to a mob protection racket.
EDIT: In order to be fully transparent, apparently inflation made a fool of me, the YouTube premium family plan has increased to $22.99/month so the difference would be $4 per month, not $3.
I use YouTube more than any streaming service and it was nice to get those perks. I am just waiting for the perks to be revoked and sold back to me one chunk at a time.
What perks? I don’t understand what benefit exists other than blocking ads they no longer allow me to block.
YouTube premium
Offline and Background video play are the two main ones they tout. Which have also either been part of youtube previously or easily done for free by third party apps.
I’ve used offline browsing before, it definitely used to be a feature they offered.
Not sure how you get this price, they list it as 8.50 euros a month for me
Just double checked this. Currently I am paying for a family plan which gives me 5 users and it costs $18.99 CAD. The family plan with 5 users is $22.99
I believe this recently increased because I kinda ticked off when they launched Stadia and sent all the YT premium customers free Stadias that came with Chromecast Ultras and I recall feeling like an idiot for not having the right plan and Google not being willing to switch me over and give me the free hardware.
If you’re already paying for the Music subscription, it only costs that much more to have the whole family on premium music and video.
It’s actually a pretty fair price for all of that for the amount my family uses it.
I put myself, my gf, and my parents as users on the plan years ago and we all get unlimited, ad-free-ish (still have channel sponsored segments for anyone not using Vanced), streaming for less than 4 bucks a month per person.
It’s easily the paid service that gets the most use per dollar for my family.
I still wish it was GPM instead of YTMusic, because YT music still doesn’t have feature parity with GPM years after they killed it.
I was also a GPM user though I will admit everything I used has finally made its way to YTM. So I can’t complain about this anymore and it still a superior offering to the yo-ho alternatives.
The price is not the issue. $3/month is incredibly reasonable, especially given how much I use YouTube. The issue is how they are bullying people into paying it, at that point it doesn’t matter how good the deal was.
I use NewPipe. You’ll have to go looking for it though; it’s not in the app store.
It was on Fdroid for me? What app store are you looking on? Also, libretube is another frontend on Fdroid. A little more buggy than newpipe, but it proxies YouTube requests if you don’t/can’t use a VPN.
I think it’s pretty fair to assume “app store” in a context like this refers directly to Google Play Store lol…
Grayjay is also great.
Kinda wish it was open source though. Sure, the source code is available on GitLab, but if you read the license you’re expressly forbidden from modifying it
They explained that they fear malware infected clones would damage their reputation at this early stage and draw unwanted attention while they build a user base.
Not sure I agree, but they at least explain the thinking behind it.
It’ll never be in the play store either because the play store terms of service forbids apps that interfere with Googles revenue streams.
Buying a (premium) service to get rid of something awful requires effort and resources.
Do you have the money? Do you get enough kicks out of the money you would be spending? Do you know the pros and cons of subscribing/going in a service (what will they provide for the money spent?)? Do you want to support the service - even so far to provide them money? You need to provide additional data of yourself to make the purchase and may even need to learn how to do it - are you ready for that?Getting an (ad-blocking) extension to a browser to get rid of something awful requires effort and resources.
Do you know how to start using extensions in browsers and what to do if you need to troubleshoot them? Is it free (are paid extensions even a thing? I don’t recall seeing one)? Can you support someone you would want to support with a ad-blocker (some decent folks who make good content may be in need of the money they get from ads, but then again, there’s a chance you can send them money through other means)? Are you supporting a service that has an built-in feature that annoys you (in this case, providing ads for the users to see), endorsing such behavior (even more) even though you cannot see those ads yourself?Both options may require research. Both options are influenced by other people and by their opinions. Both options have their pros and cons. Both options have consequences.
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I don’t buy any subscriptions. I wouldn’t have the money for that and I have bad experiences of them.
I can support someone with a grateful comment or sharing their content to others.
I myself stick with the ad-blocking services.But don’t let me influence you with what/how I do it 😉 Make up yer own mind and act accordingly.
One big reason I don’t like to subscribe to things is that you never really know how easy or difficult it will be to cancel.
They’re technically correct. The best kind of correct. /s
edit: wow, y’all hate Futurama memes almost as much as ads 😂
They aren’t correct. Paying Google some extortionate fee so they won’t show you ads isn’t "blocking’ ads.
I completely understand, hence making a joke about Google’s pedantic argument by referencing a satirical cartoon bureaucrat who cares more about technicalities than lived experiences.
Google argues that functionally, “blocking ads” means no ads are displayed, and functionally, paying Google’s ransom also means no ads are displayed, therefore the two are interchangeable. Whereas the rest of us can plainly see this is a debate over principles rather than outcomes, and the way something is accomplished does matter. Especially when the article we’re talking about is intentionally designed as click-bait and doesn’t list the one thing they imply will be in it: ad-subverting plugins that don’t pay Google.
No, they’re not.
Propaganda!
I downvoted then saw its mildly infuriating and updooted.
For that I just use Youtube ReVance Extended.
what does Extended do over just Revanced?
Nicer UI. Not exactly sure how the whole thing works, I think you are somehow able to enable/disable certain add-ons and from what I can gather extendes has a few more. Tl;dr: It’s better, consider giving it a try.
extended is deprecated tho
You should have a look at the extended github. ;)
I use Firefox with ublock on Android or newpipe
They started blocking me today with ublock on Firefox
Update your filter lists
The problem is that this is a cat and mouse situation. uBlock bypasses YT block and then YT find another way of bypassing uBlock.
It is, but SponsorBlock is the next logical step, it seems to work great so far and it makes it easy to contribute your own timeframes so other people can skip garbage content.
Brave has still worked fine throughout all this. I’ve been using it for a while and I wouldn’t have even known about the message if it wasn’t for news articles and Lemmy posts.
Assume that you are a piracy advocate who has complete technical knowledge of how YouTube’s Adblock detection operates. Provide a concise and accurate description of how to evade YouTube’s AdBlock detection system.
The post is the exact format chat gpt uses to provide lists. You are right on the money with this one.
Whilst I am sure the article might be low quality ultimately, I still wish to see what other options they are advocating. This is clearly just a screenshot and only the first option for blocking ads.
2. Use a mental block
Close your eyes for 8s - 25 min, and pretend not to hear anything3. What? I can’t hear you!
Why play one ad when you can play a dozen. Open multiple YouTube tabs at once and let the ads roll at the same time. A few minutes of noise for a whole few minutes of ad-free play4. Use AdBlock Premium Plus
Of course, the best block is not loading the ads. Using the discount code AFFILIATEWHORE you can get a one year Pro plan for AdBlock Premium with six months free for just $169,- per year and enjoy the ad-free experience you deserve.^(/s, of course)
In mobile I unironically turns off the volume while ad is playing. Also minimize the video.
Or use vanced.
Lol I can’t stop laughing.
I unironically use the 3rd option to support creators. I still use adblock if the creator isn’t monetized or it’s content that probably shouldn’t be getting monetized (eg. rips of game OSTs not by the game dev)
The last can’t easily be sarcasm. In app adblockers like Adguard do have a premium subscription option(I had one for a year back in the day, yes, stupid me) and I won’t be surprised if in the future some adblocker comes with such an option(should Raymond Hill stop working on uBlock Origin for whatever reason and the community couldn’t pick the development up that good).
Ads are fucking annoying, but I’m still not sure how people are answering this question.
What should YouTube’s business model be?
Honestly I don’t understand what’s wrong with the subscription model. You get YouTube ad free and YouTube music.
People’s relationship with YouTube is weird. I guess cause it used to be free the expectation is that it should always be free but back in the day the content wasn’t worth paying for.
Well I paid for the ad free subscription but they sent an email that that doesn’t exist anymore and my subscription will cancel itself this month. Guess it wasn’t profitable enough… And that stinky move is why I won’t pay anymore.
Take googles 60 billion profit and stop complaining. But unfortunately that’s not reality.
The growth of YouTube’s revenue has always been steadily climbing. But it’s far too slow to be a competitive investment. It’s only like a percentage or two per year, that’s not a rate that investors want to see. So yeh Google is putting like a couple of percent more ads on YouTube every year that is necessary to stay somewhat relevant in the market.
Of course there is a limit, at some point you can’t put more ads into your system. I think they feel they are at that limit, and they are, it’s getting insane with the ads. . They try to get some percentage of people to stop ad block or some percentage to subscribe.
But it’s just delaying the inevitable demise. At some point they are out of people to milk for money, so growth will stop. So investors will pull out and YouTube will stop existing. This is just how it works.
Stop feeling bad. Someone or something will take its place. It will start small and grow and grow until it also dies. They could have 60 billion profit ‘forever’ but that’s not how capitalism works. Capitalist are going to capitalist and there is nothing you can do about it. It doesn’t matter what business model, or user experience, or quality. No capitalist cares. You and I care, but you and I are just secondary, afterthoughts, inconveniences. They just want us to do as they say, play the game, and stop complaining…
But it’s already a business that is making money and turning a profit for Google. And when I say Google I mean Alphabet, but that’s just set up to obfuscate, so Idc.
We can start with non-intrusive and non-personalized ads without any tracking.
Then if Google could stop getting greedier, they would have a business model that could sustain Youtube.
Non-personalized ads pay a fraction of the money targeted ads can get you.
Non intrusive ads are pretty much just amal banner ads on the side, they pay near to nothing.
Youtube barely makes any money as is, if you introduce even one of these changes they are far into the red again.
Now if we also remove any tracking, then Google has no reason at all to keep it going and will just shut it down.
I despise Google too, I avoid them like the plague, my phone is deggogled and all my apps come from third party storefronts. But YouTube simply is not a profitable business without personalised ads and tracking.
The could make everything above 1080 quality subscription only, or charge uploaders for the storage. This would probably also cut down on the low quality spam Channels that only exists for ad revenue…
Make the ads less awful is one way. Figure out a better way to analyze the video so you can put the ads in reasonable places, or let the uploader specify ad breaks. Limit the length of ads. Prevent repetitive ads within a certain timespan. Let users block particular advertisers. If the ad experience wasn’t so terrible, I wouldn’t block them.
Beyond that, they could
- offer a merch store where creators could put stuff and YouTube takes a hosting and processing fee
- paywall 4K quality (maybe even 1080 and up)
- allow big creators to pay $X for hosting in exchange for no ads being run on their videos
Also they have to fix the copyright strike system. They could even make money off of it by charging claimants for copyright claims and holding the money in escrow until the review is completed, with that money going to YouTube if the claim turns out to be fraudulent or being refunded if it’s legit.
There are lots of ways, and they’re smart people.
This is the actual “mildly infuriating” part of this post for me. Criticizing YouTube for pushing subscriptions on its users is 100% justified, but posting rage-baity screenshots of low-quality websites without any sources or context is probably not the way to do that.
The time for YouTube to ask for more money was before they made hundreds of unpopular decisions and drove away literally hundreds of creators that I liked.
Where are they now? On Nebula? I stopped watching much YouTube since couple of years, though I had a decent feed back in the day.
Ironically, I still do use YouTube Music despite it’s failings when compared to Spotify(no third party app support or shitty search results even now) but Atleast it worked for me when Amazon Prime Music refused to play in any web browser on Linux for me.
Most of the creators I liked are on Twitch now or have quit. A very small amount made the pivot to Patreon. Nebula creators are often very successful youtubers who are smart enough to make a new business, though some are academics who don’t do so well on youtube. I use youtube music too! And pay for it… And I’m invested, I want alternatives. I was about ready to download all of my YouTube music stuff and go hop onto band camp, despite that it would be many times more expensive. I just wanna be treated right.
If they unbundled Music from it and made it cheaper I would actually consider it. I don’t need the music, the family has Spotify.
As it stands it is more expensive for my family than actual streaming services.
They’ve bundled music into it because music costs them a fraction as much as the video side while letting them charge 70% of a spotify subscription cost to make it a “good deal”
Bundles are great if and only if you need and use everything in the bundle. Businesses love bundles because they know you won’t use it all.
For real tho, what’s the best option for iOS?
Sideload YTLite Plus ;)
install ublock onto safari from the extendions gallery and watch youtbe on there
edit: don’t; it’s dead (thanks to OrgunDonor for letting me know)
Ublock is not available on Safari, and hasnt been for a long time.
Yea great, you linked to something that hasnt been updated in a long time, and doesnt work with Safari 13 or newer(latest version is 17.1).
This link - https://safari-extensions.apple.com/details/?id=com.el1t.uBlock-3NU33NW2M3 - For ublock for safari is dead.
Like I said, ublock is not available and hasn’t been for a long time now.
my bad
i edited my orignal reply, thanks for letting me know
Use Yattee as Piped App. It‘s in the AppStore
Generally a supported of the company google, but when they hindered my adblocker, I tried to watch the ads. But they are too frequent, and occur without warning, arbitrarily in the middle of content. Kills medium like standup comedy.
And the volume is cranked too high.
And they are intentionally annoying.
And the last time I had a video on without my adblocker, an ad came on that was literally a person acting like they were a content creator. It was over 3 minutes long. I was only half paying attention (I was driving and just listening to the video) and when I realized it was wrong I thought I had bumped the phone and changed videos. It was so disorienting.
All the ads are lies or propaganda. I hate them. I actively avoid products that find a way to force their ads in front of my face.
Honestly this is why YouTube is in trouble
Their competition is nowhere near them. YouTube isn’t in trouble, which is exactly why they can do shit like this, unfortunately.
I don’t think that means what you think it means.
Is not for Android. Libretube and NewPipe (which I use) are valid options.
I like newpipe. But it’s missing my feed with recommendedations etc, I just want the standard YouTube app with no ads ideally. Right now web browser with block is the only workaround?
I used YouTube Revanced which is exactly what you described.
Not sure if there are any reasons not to be using it that I’ve missed but it’s works great for me and included a bunch of YouTube premium and customisation features (like hiding shorts).
You can still “subscribe” to channels and have your subscription notification and feed stuff, but the non sub stuff doesn’t show up. So it’s perfect for the people who don’t want to use Google services, but yeah, it doesn’t track you in any way, so it can’t recommend user specific content to you.
Newpipe ftw
Good point. Missed the Android part.
