Shereen Wu says leading designer uploaded altered picture, amid fears AI could ‘turn back the clock’ on progress in the industry

  • @chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world
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    “I got into an industry that values appearance over literally everything, and I’m upset because they changed my appearance to meet their standards.” I pawned my small violin for diet pills a few weeks ago, but as soon as I get it back I’ll play her a song.

    Edit: I guess I need to spell it out for you fucking mouth breathers. I’m not supporting the fashion industry. I’m not saying that they should do this. I fucking hate it. I also am not supporting this woman who is propping up an industry that would sooner tell someone to change their physical appearance before they adjust the measurements of the garment they are peddling on a stage for clout. This woman is culpable for all of the young girls going forward who join this industry and are subject to the same treatment. She’s the young black man who joined the police force hoping to change the institution from within. Sorry, it’s too late. Burn it down. Go to your local Louis Vuitton store and set fire to the displays. If you see someone with a Dolce & Gabbana bag walking down the street you should dump pig blood on them, not because it was made with animals, but because it was made by an industry that treats its people like cattle. Fuck them all.

    • Melkath
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      I consider this comment to be loud and boisterous, but completely tone deaf.

      White supremacy is not the side you want to be on.

      • @chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world
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        Fuck off with calling me a white supremacist. I’m not saying she should be white, or she’s worth less than a white person. Don’t put those fucking words into my mouth. I’m saying this is very much a “leopards ate my face” moment. She joined into the most superficial, artificial clique on the fucking planet, and she’s bitching because someone edited her to be more appealing to them and who they sell to. I don’t give a fuck what her race, gender, nationality, or skin color is. She’s a fucking idiot, and that is evidenced by the fact that she blames an industry built on photo editing for editing her appearance in a photo.

        • AnonTwo
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          That superficial, artificial clique would be an entire industry as far as I can see you saying

          That’s not something that should be argued as “just a clique, why did you show up?”. That’d be like saying the Activision/Blizzard scandal in the gaming industry was people who just should’ve accepted the shitty situation they were in. People should be able to say that an industry they want to be in is acting inappropriately.

        • Melkath
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          And you still have no qualms about the industry treating white as the obviously superior modification they would make to her appearance.

          You just defend that industry by calling HER the moron.

          If you quack like a white supremacist, you are a white supremacists.

          Happy you don’t like being called what you are though.

          Leaves room for you to correct that.

          PS: by correct that, I mean having harsh words for the producers, not the beautiful young lady who the producers whitified.

          • Go back and read the edit to the main comment you replied to. It may clarify my stance for you. And don’t swing around the “white supremacist” slur. You’ll dilute the meaning so that the actual white supremacists won’t get the full brunt of the term’s effect.

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              Concern trolling, as are all accusations of “diluting a term” are. If girls at risk of being edited stayed out of the fashion industry - which was your advice - then the fashion industry would be left with only white women. But you knew that, didn’t you?

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      This woman is culpable for all of the young girls going forward who join this industry and are subject to the same treatment.

      Is that in the same way you are culpable for all the other knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers who will follow in your steps?

      Lmao

    • @JayObey711@lemmy.world
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      “I just want to do what I love so I must automatically tolerate the toxicity and abuse of the industry without complaining.”

        • @sfgifz@lemmy.world
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          I see you’re suggesting that she shouldn’t be surprised that the fucked up culture in the fashion industry is fucked up since everyone knows it’s fucked up. But what everyone else is trying to tell you is that we should still talk about how fucked up this is, because it’s fucked up.

          • @almar_quigley@lemmy.world
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            I think the point they’re trying to make is there are much worse things happening at a broader scale in the fashion industry than this one model being impacted by this event.

            • @irmoz@reddthat.com
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              And we can also be angry about those. Not every news story has to be about the most important thing ever.

            • AnonTwo
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              What did you want her to do, just not join the industry?

              That just seems like systematic racism to me.

                1. Join a toxic industry that has been exploiting people for a century.
                1. Find something else to do.

                I just don’t get why everyone is arguing that she should be allowed to be upset about this. This is fucking FAR from the first time the fashion industry has fucked someone over. This isn’t a situation that she was trapped in to. She has choices. She can just not be a model, or even just not be a model in the most toxic part of the industry, which is the runway. It’s like someone who walks into a kiln and then complains about how hot it is, and then expects other people to take their side. It’s a fucking kiln. All the warning signs are there. The fashion industry is a waste of human endeavor and should be razed to the ground. I’m not going to celebrate someone on the inside saying how bad things are. I fucking know how bad things are, EVERYONE DOES. It’s her fucking fault for getting into it in the first place. Hopefully she gets out before she becomes the role model for some other poor girl who gets involved in that shit. The world doesn’t need more Cindy Crawfords and Tyra Banks. I dare say the world will be a better place if we never have another one, again.

                • @MagicShel@programming.dev
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                  It’s her fucking fault for getting into it in the first place.

                  This is textbook victim blaming. What isn’t textbook is how mad you are about this. You are so mad about this, and it’s unsettling.

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          And why the fuck should she not be surprised? Removing blemishes is one thing. Changing their skin tone is quite another.

          • Go take a look at the history of the industry and tell me this is a new low for them. Go on. I’ll wait.

            There. Are you back now? Do you understand that this is par for the fucking course? Do you understand that the fashion industry exploits young men and women all the time, doing far more fucked up things than editting their face for a photo? Jesus fucking Christ. Ya’ll motherfuckers need to learn about the enemy. It’s like being pissed off at Amazon for union busting. No fucking shit.

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              Oh, okay, maybe she should just shut up and take it then?

              Nothing gets done if people don’t talk about this stuff. The only power the masses have here is to turn this into a bad look for the companies involved.

              • Holy shit. I’m sorry. I’ve been going about this all wrong. You can’t read. Now it makes sense. Again, I’m sorry. I though that this was a text based conversation, but I guess you are just looking at pictures and trying to shove square pegs in round holes.

                Nothing gets done if people don’t talk about this stuff.

                PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS. FOR A VERY LONG TIME. This isn’t news.

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                  Oh, I see, so because it isn’t new, we should just give up, go home and just accept racism as the norm?

                  MLK would be so proud.

        • @irmoz@reddthat.com
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          If my baby cousin gets hit trying to cross a busy street where many deaths have already occurred, I will still cry, even if the collision was entirely predictable. He didn’t deserve it. Knowing danger and accepting the risk does not mean you deserve the dire consequences when they occur.

        • Flying Squid
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          132 years ago

          Should actresses not be surprised when producers try to rape them since that’s been happening since the beginnings of the film industry?

        • Melkath
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          112 years ago

          Because white girls are prettier. And she should know that.

          Jesus you are disgusting.

        • AnonTwo
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          Maybe she shouldn’t be surprised, but if she doesn’t call it out as BS that should stop who does?

          • EVERYONE HAS BEEN CALLING BS ON THE FASHION INDUSTRY FOR YEARS! What fucking planet is everyone on where this is news. This is some leopards ate my face shit if there ever was.

  • magnetosphere
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    From the title by itself, I was expecting a simple change to skin tone, which would have been bad enough. Reading the story and looking at the pic made me realize that things are much, much worse. What the FUCK.

    • BabyWah
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      Same. They literally changed her Asian features into that? And it’s not like the changed face is prettier than her. Disgusting.

            • czech
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              Costello denied altering the photo and said the image was “fan art” sent to him by an unspecified source,

              (Costello did not respond to a request for comment.)

              Yes, it sounds like bullshit. Did you read the article?

      • @Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
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        Supermodels are why I don’t really buy the whole “the media decides what’s attractive”, because it’s been trying to say that that’s the peak of attractiveness all my life but I’ve never bought it.

        • You aren’t wrong. High end women models and women porn stars look vastly different. One looks like a 19 year skinny boys the other look like women.

          I think when people say that they mean that girls with confidence issues see these runway models and think that is what it means to be attractive, not that suddenly men will be attracted to that.

    • @OrgunDonor@lemmy.world
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      You know what is the worst thing about this for me.

      According to his post, he did not produce the show and did not know that Wu was not compensated for her time until he saw her TikTok.

      Not only did they cheat her out of being the model, and replacing her with a terrible AI photo. They also didnt pay her for doing the actual show, until this blew up and the designer saw the tiktok.

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        He also initially threatened legal action against her, for unclear reasons. Like, he’s shared some racist Photoshop, gets called out for it, and his first response is to… Threaten to sue the model who simply made public comments about it?

        Guy is a real piece of shit. He can walk back on stuff all he wants, but the first thing he did speaks volumes about what kinda person he is.

      • @drislands@lemmy.world
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        This isn’t saying she got paid after the TikTok – it’s saying the guy didn’t know she wasn’t paid, until he saw the TikTok. AFAIK she hasn’t been paid at all.

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          According to his post, he did not produce the show and did not know that Wu was not compensated for her time until he saw her TikTok. “After finding out through her videos that she wasn’t paid, I offered Shereen compensation for her time and talents,” Costello wrote.

          It sounds like he at least offered to pay her, despite not being the one that was running the show and paying her.

      • @Confused_Emus@lemmy.world
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        To be fair, Wu also states in the article that she wasn’t expecting to be paid in anything but “exposure.” But that i think is what makes this particularly egregious - she wasn’t even getting paid in that fake currency for the naive. Although the article says that many of the models are under a similar arrangement for the fashion week this occurred during, so maybe exposure still counts for something in the fashion and modeling industries.

      • @Acters@lemmy.world
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        I am hoping it’s sarcasm that mocks the people who are changing the faces for all the wrong reasons.

        • El Barto
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          I still don’t get it.

          Are you saying that it’s not dehumanizing for her image to be altered to look white because “being white” is better? Worse?

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    He also said he was receiving death threats and that the show was a tribute to his aunt, who recently passed away.

    Was his aunt a racist and that’s why he made an Asian model white?

    • @wahming@monyet.cc
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      Read the article, it wasn’t the designer who made the change. Even the model said so

      • Flying Squid
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        I read the article and that is not what she said:

        While the origin of the altered runway photo is unknown, Wu believes someone – she doesn’t know who – used AI to create the white face that covered hers, a theory Costello echoed in his Instagram post.

        If you think the designer had no input into the photos from their own show, either you’re nuts or they don’t care very much about their designs.

        • @wahming@monyet.cc
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          Costello denied altering the photo and said the image was “fan art” sent to him by an unspecified source, but he “took responsibility” for sharing it

          More context

          • Flying Squid
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            Take my word for it, folks! It wasn’t me, it was someone who wanted to show me love!

  • @AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world
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    I was expecting something like what they did to Mindy Kaling where they lightened her skin (way too much) but they didn’t make her look white, they straight up replaced her head.

  • @Hubi@feddit.de
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    I hate how much the AI term gets thrown around. This just looks like regular Photoshop.

  • @OceanSoap@lemmy.ml
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    I’d be pissed too. They didn’t just change her skin tone, they completely took her out of the photo. For models who are sometimes paid in exposure, this is like yanking that pay away from her. Whatever photoshop is done, she needs to at least look like it’s her for her to be able to get the benefits from doing the work.

    But even models who are paid money, there should be laws against making them look like someone completely different, in terms of the brand that they work for.

    And that designer is a pos for sharing that photo, even if a fan did send it to him as “fan art”. Beyond the face change being in bad taste, he’s a professional, so he should be promoting the actual model who walked for him.

    • I knew someone who was a photographer in it and drunk one night she confessed how so many of those photos are fake. Just props and settings. The real model headshot just got moved around.

    • Final Remix
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      “We need a clothes rack that can step hard enough to jiggle.” Basically.

  • @afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
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    The high fashion industry has always been a corrupt garbage fire.

    Go right now to some normal store’s website and check out the clothing section. You are going to see normal looking people smiling. Why shouldn’t they be smiling? They have a nice sweater on.

    High fashion it is all about taking these very unusual looking people, having them drain their face of touch of humanity, selling clothing that fits no one and costs thousands of dollars. And it is all performative. A game the super rich and their lackies are playing against other super rich and their lackies. If you had two investments available to you today the first is some “tech” company with an idea for a social media site and the other is a fashion maker the tech company (with it’s 5% chance of success) has a higher chance of success.

    Lay down with dogs, get up with flies. This whitewashing is disgusting but not shocking especially given the decades of photo editing these shitstains have done.

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    She should be objecting to all the edits, not just the eye shape and overly filtered skin tones. Why did they need to edit her nose, or make that one giant dumbo ear? how could anyone think this mess is an improvent on the model’s great looks?