Israel the nation, government and military is an apartheid state currently committing genocide. This statement passes no judgement on the vast majority of the Israeli people and especially no judgement on Judaism and Jewish people as a whole.
Anyone trying to conflate the two are just trying to apologize for genocide.
To the same end, when there’s news about increased antisemitism, you can’t automatically dismiss it as just criticism of Israel. That’s making the exact same conflation.
Well, the Israeli government is nominally democratic. People supposedly voted for these leaders.
It’s import to draw distinction, yes. But that government doesn’t exist in a vacuum,
What country are you from FuglyDucky? Do you live in a democracy? Should you be held to account for everything your country’s government does?
I wouldn’t use the word nation here because it denotes the people. State is better.
Yeah but why didn’t all of the Palestinian children vote out Hamas 16 years ago? Checkmate atheist
Even better why didn’t they just not get armed and end up like the West bank, it has been going great for people there.
Oy vey
This is the best summary I could come up with:
This October just marked the five-year anniversary of the worst antisemitic attack ever committed in the United States: the eleven worshipers at Tree of Life – Or L’Simcha in Pittsburgh, who were murdered by a gunman who espoused conspiracy theories that blamed Jews for the arrival of Central American migrants, and in so doing, dehumanised both groups.
These definitions have scaffolded the Israeli government’s deepening relationships with far-right, antisemitic political forces, from Hungary to Poland to the United States and beyond—endangering Jews in diaspora.
This has meant political suppression in Gaza and the West Bank, where the Israeli government conflates the very existence of Palestinian people with Jew hatred the world over.
In propaganda aimed internally at its own citizens and externally toward the West, the Israeli government asserts that Palestinian grievance is not about land, mobility, rights, or freedom, but instead, antisemitism.
A vague letter signed by dozens of public figures and published on October 23 parroted President Biden’s positioning of himself as an advocate for Jewish people based on his support for Israel.
US leaders have welcomed this chance to further conflate Jewish safety with unquestioning, unwavering military funding for Israel with no intention of making peace.
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If anything, it’s support for Israel that’s more likely to be rooted in anti-semitism. The most rabid Israel supporters in the US – evangelical Christians – aren’t doing it because they care about the Jews; they’re doing it because they’re hoping Israeli control of the holy land will usher in Armageddon and wipe all the Jews and Muslims out while Christians get “raptured.”
Dont forget the godless atheiest
Well subscribers to that theory are certainly a minority.
There’s enough of them to control the entire Republican Party, so… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The same stupid conflict being fought for thousands of years over philosophy. So many lives wasted.
It’s a shallow understanding to think this is “religious war”, it’s more ethnic cleansing in pursuit of land. Capitalists and colonists are the ones to blame, not the zealots.
So you think the zionist settlers are only settling in the west bank because it’s a nice place to live? No, they want to retake their holy land.
Philosophy? Do you mean religion? I’ve never seen anyone hate the way the religious do.
Religion is a philosophy, as are governments and how someone lives. Laws are a philosophy.
Religion is a fantasy, governments are a philosophy.
Philosophy is a fantasy at times. Trickle down economics is a prime example.
Has little to do with “philosophy” more to do with settler colonialism.
It’s always been about philosophy differences between the two sides since the beginning. Recent events are just a continuation of that.
Only in the sense that one side thinks “My shit is my shit, Your shit is your shit” and the other side thinks “My shit is my shit, Your shit is my shit”.
Also the majority of Iraelis seem to be big fans of the whole “Might Is Right” principle.
Morality can is indeed be seen as part of Philosophy.
Its more about a colonial occupation trying to deny that is silly.
That is an extremely simplistic take on a extremely complex situation. It is a minor component at best.
It is the biggest issue in the whole conflict.
This is about colonisation not religion.
That doesn’t explain anything, but in the end it won’t matter. Any chance of peace or two states is gone now.
Certainly not. Not being anti-semitic is a very low barrier to climb over, so it doesn’t really mean much.
Unfortunately, antisemitism is no more extinct than anti-black racism or many other prejudices.
It’s also very much on the raise again
Well, the abuse of the cries of anti-semitism as a weapon against anybody who disagrees with the government of Israel (to the point that actual Jews have been accused of it) has generated a “the boy who cried wolf” effect around it.
Into the blindspot thus created the real anti-semites gladly went.
The only ones who gained from it were the fascists in Government in Israel - even the Jews in general lost, as was entirelly to be expected because historically the repeated and hypocrite abuse of an accusation for political ends always leads to it weakenning thus relaxing the pressure on those who really are deserving recipients of it.
This is why religious states are incompatible with Modernity. They explicitly govern outside of logic and reason.
Religious states of any kind. That applies to Vatican City, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc.
“We are a (insert imaginary sky narcissist here) nation” leads to real people dead for no good reason every time. Worship whatever pokemon you want in a secular nation where your pikachu worshipping vote carries the same weight as the votes for Mr. Mime.
Blaming religion for US and UK Imperialists projects is unfair. They dont teach people logic in school, they keep them poor, and the only hope is religious based, you go to heaven, and then the blame that on religious, while the majority, percentage wise, of religious people all over the world, don’t go around killing babies.
It is small percentage that supported by military power to act on their behalf to gain more money.
This time, eroupe seems to be in urgent need of gas, which, funny enough, is available off Israeli shore, which funny enough Isreal awarded 12 companies the right to explore last week. Convenient time while people busy arguing about religion rules in war and governments.
The reason for war is almost always power in some form, not religion, on that we can agree.
That said, it is so much easier to validate waging war and killing swaths of people in the name of your irrational religion. “Our all powerful, infallible imaginary daddy says we must do this in their glory!” doesn’t exactly leave a lot of wiggle room for reasoned discussion.
I wish this war was taking place under the honest terms of “We want our land and autonomy back!” “No we like this land and want more!”
Instead they have to muddy the waters by design to get the masses onboard through fairy tales, making it about Yahweh’s and Allah’s respective imaginary cock sizes, making every Judeo-Christian nutter in the world invested in this bloodshed out of religious teamsport.
Even the American Christians need these other religious people to stand in the correct spot for their religious apocalypse, which is how we got here to begin with.
You see how all these spooky superstitions people have to ridiculously respect in the face of real people dying make even having any honest conversation about this conflict all but impossible?
It’s like not ending or prolonging a war because it might offend Bugs Bunny and thus bugs bunny’s fans. It’s Bizaare.
This is why religious states are incompatible with Modernity. They explicitly govern outside of logic and reason.
Religious states of any kind. That applies to Vatican City, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc.
“We are a (insert your imaginary dictator here) nation” leads to real people dead for no good reason. Worship whatever pokemon you want in a secular nation where your pikachu worshipping vote carries the same weight as the votes for Mr. Mime.
While I certainly agree, I’m not sure Vatican city is really a great example to be honest, since it’s status as a state in the modern age seems more like some kind of formality granted due to the international influence of the Catholic church, rather than something that truly fits the definition. Were it not a place of special importance to catholicism, I’d doubt it would be viable as a conventional state at all, on account of it’s size and population. It’s not so much a state that enforces a religion so much as a tiny area of land given to a religious organization to give it the international rights of a state
It is perfectly reasonable to be against 2 warring parties and their wanton attacks on civilian targets, especially when criticizing one side for their indiscriminate attacks on civilian targets which far outweigh the other and who show little to no regard or hesitancy in doing so while simultaneously possessing superior capabilities in avoiding such consequential strikes.
While religious disputes may be at the heart of the conflict itself, facing criticism and outrage for killing innocent civilians isn’t a matter of religious criticism or bigotry.
The dispute isn’t religious in nature. It’s about land.
It’s about that land, which has a number of religious sites on it and ownership was granted by God. It is impossible to separate this dispute from religion.
No, you’re mistaken. It wouldn’t matter if it had no religious sites on it, anymore than it didn’t matter that North and South America didn’t have any religious sites on it that would have meant anything to the Europeans who colonized it.
This conflict is material in nature.
This sounds a lot like “the civil war was about states’ rights” but I’ll bite. If the blindingly obvious religious lines are wrong and this is about that land… why?
Defending the confederacy is an incredibly unkind way to frame someone’s position, so thanks for that.
Why? It’s simple. Israel wants the land. Palestinians are currently occupying the land. Hence, Israel wants to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians so they can occupy and use the land. Individual Israelis may view it in religious terms, and things may be framed that way for messaging purposes, but the cause of the conflict is a very material desire for more land and more resources.
fyi, ‘wanton’
Death eggroll
We must soup for peace
Crispy with sweet and sour sauce.
Lol, stupid AutoCorrect. Although I was tempted to leave it, there’s a time for humor, and this isn’t it. 
