I see a very small minority of people using Kbin, but I don’t understand why.
Is this just a coincidence and did some people choose Kbin over Lemmy or is there a good reason to use Kbin?
Kbin’s UI is just better. I realize both can be customized, but I’d prefer not to mess around with any of that yet. Plus I know people on mastadon, so that sealed it for me.
Subjective. I don’t like the UI on Kbin more than the Lemmy one.
Customizations brought vulns on Lemmy with the custom emojis introducing XSS vulns and a few takeovers in the recent weeks.
but that’s not the fault of the UI, that’s the fault of the server and/or operator for allowing something like that to be even theoretically possible in the first place.
This is why you place UIs on separate domains from the servers, and always treat user input like it’s radioactive AND toxic.
The custom emoji’s was a developed feature of Lemmy pushed out in their UI code. Even the project mainters instance was affected. Its why 0.18.2 was released.
https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-07-11_-_Lemmy_Release_v0.18.2
Thats not on server/infra operators. It was a vuln in the core UI code. Some operators DID patch it themselves (i think Beehaw is one), others were less affected (ie: My instance is closed and i dont use custom emjis anyhow), but those are features introduced by the maintainers and some of the bigger instances would get requests for them anyhow. So it was a problem.
but the fundamental vulnerability is not in the UI, by that logic you could just run your own UI and get into servers without issue, the vulnerability is always in either the server software or in the specific deployment.
The vulnerability was in the ui.
again, that makes no sense whatsoever, by that logic anyone can just merrily wreak havoc by using a client specially made to have vulnerabilities.
It was a csrf issue. The vulnerability isn’t on the attackers side, it’s on the user’s side. I’m telling you this as the owner of the instance. I’m sorry, but you are wrong here.
I tried both, lurked a while and Kbin just seemed a bit more user friendly for me. Nothing deeper for me, just a matter of taste really.
Kbin has a way better UI, but it needs better servers and having apps for Lemmy like liftoff makes me wait to get something similar before switching back to kbin.
I mainly just wanted to try Kbin after having already tried Lemmy before.
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A working link: https://alexandrite.app
Also https://vger.app/ for mobile.
If you’re on lemmy.world, they’ve put vger natively on the instance at
m.lemmy.world.I would prefer staying on Kbin but until voyager implements Kbin accounts I’ll have to stay on this one. Voyager is just OP.
Thanks for the pointer. This really looks much more pleasant than vanilla Lemmy, I’ll have to keep an eye on that.
I like that there’s both an update, downvote and boost feature. Recently the sorting / weighting mechanism was changed where boost = 2 upvotes so it’s nice to upvote something + give it a boost so it sorts higher.
There’s a lot of customization user wise also, I’ve been exceptionally busy working with the other contributors to make the mobile UI/UX a priority. There’s been a heap of dev work going around so keen to see when that all gets into prod.
I’ve got a feeling that with another solid month or two of updates, tweaks and features that kbin will be really solid.
I set up both, and kbin was up while I couldn’t get on world for 36 hours. Granted it turns out I had to just quit the app to get it loading but I didn’t know that for a couple days and kbin worked fine
The UI! It’s so much better than the other Lemmy instances. Also I can curse without getting banned lmao
Uhhhhh. Not sure which fucking Lemmy instance banned you, but sounds like a real bum out.
On top of elements already mentioned by others, an initial draw for me was the tenor of exchanges I was seeing on kbin. Of course the instances all interflow and I won’t claim that Lemmy instances are not the same. But that was my initial experience. I like having a home base where there’s some effort made to be communal and give thought out answers.
Literally was that Kbin started with the letter K, and thus matched with my going DE, KDE. So really just a matter of taste I guess. I always recommend people to use what they like.
That has nothing to do with Lemmy as a piece of software. Outside contributers are already contributing more than dessalines and nutomic.
But still to those super concerned, kbin would be a viable alternative. Most importantly just let people choose for themselves, shit aint Reddit, were federated now
I like the UI better, like that it interacts with things like Mastadon, and, what was honestly the biggest thing, doesn’t have a dumb auto-refresh I can’t disable (which Lemmy did (at least for a while)).
They both have a lot of growing up to do. Not being able to collapse threads in kbin is driving me crazy; especially for long threads with many nested levels, I can’t tell what is even top-level.
There’s two different PRs with collapsible threads in codeberg. Fingers crossed one or the other get merged soon.
https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/pulls/167
https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/pulls/704Nice! I knew about 167 but not 704. Here’s hoping!
The auto refresh was what brought me here. The layout kept me.
There are several userscripts for collapsible threads, I’ve used them since like day 2 after the Reddit shutdown!
I use this one: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/468923-kbin-improved-collapsible-comments
Works both on desktop and Android (Firefox + Tampermonkey).
This. Is. AWESOME! So many so cool features!
Look up kbin enhancement suit KES. They have android, iOS and Mac that I know of. Simple to add and they’re implementing a lot of features
I hate that I have to rely on some other add-in, but this makes things so much easier. Thank you!
This. Is. AWESOME! So many so cool features!
Lemmy got rid of the auto refresh you’re referring to. No more live updates.
That’s good news. I’m fine with it as an optional setting, but I hated trying to read something and poof
Why I joined
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had a more intuitive interface
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had a better aesthetic
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had a much cooler name
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the dev seemed like a cool guy
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before federation it felt exciting like being on the ground floor of something
Why I stayed
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has heaps of cool features and functions that are easy to use
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I like the Mastodon interface too
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turns out the dev definitely is awesome and everything is very open
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it has a really chill community
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I still just like it more than the various Lemmys
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Kbin does a better job of putting new posts in front of you even before you have subscribed to anything, so I think it is easier to find interesting things to read. Kbin is newer than Lemmy, so Lemmy had the advantage in familiarity for people. More people had heard of it when Reddit’s API drama blew up and that gave Lemmy a distinct advantage when people picked a new platform. Kbin also has some annoyances like not being able to collapse comments and vote buttons being at the top instead of the bottom of posts and comments. If someone has written a lengthy comment, I want to read through the whole thing before I decide how to vote and I don’t want to scroll back up to get to a vote button. To reply to a post you also have to scroll through the comment section. In some cases it’s good to see if someone else has already said what you are going to say, but in other cases if someone is looking for personal stories, you don’t necessarily need to read everyone else’s story before submitting your own.
Personally I have this kbin account and a lemmy account as well. My Lemmy server seems to go down more often and the default sort always shows the same days old pinned posts from my server admin that I can’t seem to hide after reading. On Reddit, I didn’t have to switch sort to see newer stuff so Lemmy comes across as pretty stale sometimes even though there is a fair amount of posting going on.
Hey! Thanks for explaining. How can I use/Download Kbin?
Just go to kbin.social, this is the largest instance. There are other, smaller instances, too. Just like Lemmy.
On lemmy the default is
Active, which basically boosts any post that still has some recent chatter going on but is otherwise “stale”. In the settings though you can change the default sort. I’ve gone withHot, which is I think the default sort on kbin too.Can you change the default sort on kbin? I could work how to.
But Hot is broken in Lemmy, it shows old stuff like it’s hot. The system is broken, but I think there is a PR on the way.
I’ve heard that the “hot surfacing old posts” bug is more prevalent on instances that haven’t restarted for a while. It still shouldn’t happen, but I don’t think it’s universal.
Hmmm … it seems fine to me. I’d heard it was broken before though.
In what way is it broken?
Like the parent said, it surfaces old (as in years old) posts as “hot”. Not sure if that’s the case still, but I have definitely noticed it before.
Ah … right … yea I’ve seen that happen occasionally … I had actually presumed that something had been changed with that post, perhaps by an admin or something cleaning stuff up, and that triggered a new timestamp for the post.
Maybe still a bug. I’ll keep track now of when it happens as it might help sort it out.
But still, that’s rarely the case for me. Just went down a fair way in my feed now and there wasn’t a single occurrence of it. Could it be particular communities causing it, maybe from instances on older software?
Otherwise though,
Hotseems to do what I’d want. Combine with a bit ofNeworTopfor an appropriate time window and I’m all good.For comments,
Hot/New/Topall do what I’d want too.It’s still a bug. My server is at 0.18.2 and I regularly see old posts if I sort by Hot.
Links to Communities or Instances?
FWIW, just checked mine and no problems (and I’m subscribed to plenty of communities).
I have a kbin account which I switch to everytime lemmy.world goes down and the only real advantages I see are the better UI and the integrated microblog thing. It’s basically Lemmy and Mastodon wrapped up in a single piece of software.
