One of these has definitely hauled more than the other, and i guarantee you it’s not the ford.
Especially when following the law that the larger the car, the less capable the driver.
I went to the philharmony last Sunday, and the number of people with large and expensive cars who were less than capable to park them properly in an underground car park was hilarious.
Parking a large truck is also just plain harder.
- Parking spaces are smaller relative to the size of your car
- Sitting high up with a huge hood in front means there’s less visibility in front
- Longer cars make it more difficult to judge distance using your mirrors, somewhat eased by the requirement for parking cameras.
- Longer cars generally have a longer wheelbase, making a worse turning radius
The only saving grace as a driver is that heavier cars can be safer for their occupants, at the cost of everyone else’s safety… which most would consider a negative.
Parking spaces are smaller relative to the size of your car
Nope, the caris too big to park in a normal parking lot.
Sitting high up with a huge hood in front means there’s less visibility in front
No, the car was built in a way it shouldn’t, because it does not allow the driver to drive responsible
Longer cars make it more difficult to judge distance using your mirrors, somewhat eased by the requirement for parking cameras.
No. One can learn to adapt to any size of cars and trucks, but most fat pickup drivers don’t care to invest the brain capacity to do so.
Longer cars generally have a longer wheelbase, making a worse turning radius
Well, if you cannot drive, you cannot drive. If the problem that you cannot drive is because of a design failure of the car, you chose the wrong car.
You don’t see those very often in Europe but when we do it’s always a good laugh followed by a sad sigh. What an ugly piece of crap.
In the States, that Ford is considered a mid-size truck. The F-150 is considerably larger and they are everywhere.
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Hey, if I see a pickup that looks like it’s doing work (some grime, work equipment, etc.) then more power to the owner. If it looks like it just got the third layer of wax done, maybe not so much.
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I totally agree. I have a friend who works with forresty and managing a very large area. She has one 8f those big range rowers and it gets absolutely beaten and used heavily every day driving through the terrain while hawking chain saws, tools and gear. Tho I still find the size to be somewhat comically and unnessearyly large and inelegant. For domestic use it’s even more stupid
I drive pickup because I’m a farmer. The comment here about pickups being terrible terrible at most jobs obviously comes from someone who doesn’t use one for work. Are they really suggesting I buy three different vehicles and the environmental costs associated with producing them? I don’t even like traveling for fun. My pickup is a 99, so it’s not even that tall compared to what they sell now. I can do all my deliveries, pickups, and even took the back seat(4 door) out for more cargo space.
That being said, modern pickups have gotten too bulky without any gains 8n function. A dream build for me would be an 80s era square body with a modified Tesla rear end.
If we really want to start comparing, SUVs don’t offer any more function over a classic station wagon. Build one of those with modern crumple zones, materials, and make it an EV and you have the perfect around town errant vehicle.
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Farming and construction are the only fields that need a truck. Everything else can be done better with a van, yeah.
But are we arguing van vs truck now? Seems like such a slight difference. I do wish I had a van instead of a truck sometimes but when I get yard or mulch dumped into my truck bed, I’m glad I don’t.
The comment here about pickups being terrible terrible at most jobs obviously comes from someone who doesn’t use one for work.
It probably comes from someone who doesn’t use one at all. If you actually use it for work, this comment is not about you. The top 3 selling vehicles in the US are massive pickup trucks, and have been for decades.
There are simply not that many farmers. They’re being used to commute back and forth to the office because they’re comfortable and they “like riding high above everyone else”.
Is that static grouping all pickup sales to all car sales or just the leading pickup model to the leading car model?
Because there aren’t as many models of pickups out there as there are cars. One manufacture can have half a dozen models that are all about the same, but with different badges them, but a truck platform will only have the pickup and maybe an suv.
No, read it again. “Top selling vehicle”. That includes cars and SUVs and everything else.
I drive pickup because I’m a farmer
That puts you in the like 1% minority of pick-up owners
I drive pickup because I’m a farmer. The comment here about pickups being terrible terrible at most jobs obviously comes from someone who doesn’t use one for work.
But they are terrible at most jobs. Your job just happens to be one of the few exceptions.
And even that might be debatable, I don’t see most farmers here use those things, they drive a tractor for the heavy shit and a small car for most othet things. But that might be a regional difference, I’m not a farmer myself.
Either way, those huge pickups have no business in a parking garage.
Small farm. Pickups are good for quickly hauling tools, fertilizer, seed, etc… to fields. Huge, thousand acre fields might use tractor trailers with flatbed or liquid holding tanks. We have a box truck for big deliveries, but a pickup will be good for small deliveries. More fuel efficient and easier in irregular parking lots then a box truck. I’ve also made a grease pumping setup on skids that I use to pick up wvo. That can go in most pickups.
When I have to drive though gridlock in NYC, what I see are yuppies in SUVs that wont make eye contact while they sit their asses in the middle of the intersection. I’m surprised those even fit in parking garages. They should really put a height limit on privately owned vehicles in cities.
Tractor + small van seems to work fine for all farmers in Europe.
It’s always easy to spot the difference between cars that are used for heavy duty and those that are used to make someone feel all rugged and heavy duty while farting in their specially crafted office chair because regular chairs make back all hurty hurty.
I’ve done heavier towing in a van than that Ford can legally come close to. A digger in the back with 3.5 tons of equipment on a dual axel trailer.
No one needs these pointless wastes if space. They’re a fashion statement not a working vehicle.
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Just ignoring trailers which is the whole claimed purpose of those ridiculous yank tanks.
Oh and the hydraulic crane on my trailer had no issues getting stuff inside my van.
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I too need a 300 ton crane for 500 pound objects.
Right tool for the right job.
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I don’t give a shit what your rigging lifts the payload you mentioned would go in a trailer just as well as it goes in a tray you ignorant red neck shit.
I’m pretty tall. I move a lot of family members around on rare occasions. I go for week-long trips out of town in my car. I barely drive it in town (usually evenings and weekends and not even every evening or weekend). My car isn’t quite that behemoth but it is large enough for what I need. I have helped with over 4 home moves in that car and even used it to transport a fridge to a civic waste site.
It does the job fine. I’ve never felt the need to get a pickup truck. Some people probably have genuine use cases. The majority probably don’t. Those things are wild.
The mondeo is a great family car. I have a friend where his whole family, brother, mother, dag, uncle etc. each own a mondeo and sware by it because it just the right size for a family.
Yeah it’s one I’m struggling to replace, but because I use it so little I’m not as fussed just yet. Will keep it until it doesn’t pass MOT anymore, or something else makes more sense.
This is only a ranger, so not even a big pickup by American standards.
I think most cars would look big next to the Fiat.
There’s another giant Ford Raptor in the same parking house and it’s so large i always wonder how the hell he parks that thing anywhere here. It literally take the entire parking spot you see in the picture.
If you actually need a truck, you wouldn’t be buying the one on the right.
Now I disapprove of our car centric society as much as anyone, but there are definitely legitimate business reasons for a 150 sized pickup. I run a landscaping business and use a truck slightly smaller to haul my tools including a trailer with a riding mower (electric for whatever it’s worth, and I’d rather convert the lawn to native meadow but I do what they pay for so I mows the grasses.) Carpenters and other tradespersons, except the really heavy stuff like masonry, would use a truck this size, and even ones who may prefer something bigger like stone and concrete guys may only be able to afford this, and it gets the job done. Could it be done with Kee trucks and sprinter vans? If the ranges weren’t so wide. Here a tradesman might need to take themselves, their helper, and 2 people’s worth of tools and supplies an hour away, daily. I wish we had trains, local supply depots, etc. But for the system that’s been built already, for people who can’t change it today but need to go to work today, there are good reasons for some of that size of truck. It’s much smaller than most, though I do agree something smaller would be nice if viable.
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You can do a lot of that in a transit. Transits are great, I love the extra cover of the back and almost bought one over my current Tacoma. Their are limits, though. For example, as a gardener, I use a lot of wood chip mulch. It’s sold by the scoop from a front end loader they drop right in the bed of a truck. If I had a van, I’d either need to bring the trailer, which adds weight, fuel inefficiency, and maneuvering difficulty (parking). I could buy it bagged, but it costs twice as much, weighs more because the bags trap moisture, and now I have to schlep it around instead of shovelling it into a wagon and dumping it where I need it. It’s just one use case, but I’m sure there are more. Also, I’m pretty sure a transit doesn’t have the flex body of a cab-bed truck, so weight in the bed or towing is strain on the entire body, causing wear and tear. But I do wish most people had vans instead of trucks, where those vans are more efficient and safer than trucks of equivalent class.
I agree! These big pickups have purposes (just like large ambulances and fire trucks)… The only problem is, a lot of people aren’t like you and they drive their pickup solely to commute or to shop at Costco.
Honestly I would lole those tiny Japanese trucks
In America those are called lawn mowers.
I am in America (rural SC to be exact) and a bunch of people around here are importing these trucks straight from Japan. I’m still shopping for mine.
Are you talking about those little Mitsubishi trucks?
Peak design tbh.
Nice, those things would be so useful.
They are! I love people around here are slowly realizing that you don’t need a giant Bro truck for 90% of the jobs they want. Like, I’ll watch a Chevy truck commercial where dude has a brand new 2500 dually getting a ton of rocks dumped on the bed and think “no one in their right mind is going to spend over $100K for a truck and have rocks thrown on the back, fucking lol”
Kei trucks
I was thinking buying a fiat panda, how is it ?
LOVE IT! it’s dirt cheap in every single way you can imagine. Repairs, fuel, tax, insurance etc. you won’t find anything to compeat for the quality and reliability it offers. Stay away from the newer panda 3 models (summer 2012 and newer) the engine is only a two cylinder and has a lot of issues because it is a completely new engine design. Get the older models preferably the newest you can get (up to summer 2012) the newest of them have aircondition and a slightly more efficient engine. The engine in the panda 2 is the tried and tested 69Hp Fire Engine used by many many small cars and is so reliable they can run for many hundreds of thousands of km. As an example mine is from the last batch from 2012 has run 165k km and doesn’t use a single drop of oil. I change oil and it runs for over a year and the level is exactly the same when i change it again. what i love about it the most is that it is so cheap i don’t really care about it much so if it gets a tittle scratch or gets filled with dog-hair i really don’t care much. Just buff it out and clean it a bit and it’s good as “new” is it the most comfortable car? well no, but it’s not that bad. Tried much worse in other cars similar priced. Is it the pretties car? No, but it has lots of space for it’s size. Does it have lots of smart features? no but i don’t want that anyway. Just give me air condition and i’m happy. Damn i love it.
Haha nice feedback, I have the same expectations (cheap, efficient, pactical, reliable). I’ll check this out, thx !
I have a Toyota Previa. It’s a wonderful little van, but it’s designed in such a way as to be able to effortlessly transport a stack of drywall in the back. I guarantee my van’s hauled more than that giant bloated mess of a ford…
Our pandemic project was doing our own hardwood floors. It was our second time installing hardwood floors, and it was much easier in our 20s than in our 30s, believe me.
I used my Chevy Bolt to take 1,000sqft of carpet and old oak to the dump. It took several trips, yes, but that was partially reflective of how quickly we were willing and able to work.
You will probably like this Documentation about the reasons why SUVs in the usa are so popular.
It looks like a “human-feature compensation device”
It looks like a caricature. Kinda like Into the Spider-Verse’s version of Kingpin in vehicle form.
The F150 was the most sold car in the US last year. I’ve never seen so much of those in Montreal CA in over 20 years. We.are.doomed.
Increase fuel taxes and it will reward smaller cars. Inflation has tanked below to within targets while interest rates are still high. The market is primed for tax increases as the BoC loosens it’s monetary policy.
The CAFE footprint standard has made the huge truck count as more efficient than a small car towards the fleet standards. Then they make up the last bit by buying offsets from Tesla, which is what actually keeps Tesla in business.
Wait wait, WHAT? If you buy a tesla you don’t even get to feel smug about saving the environment, because they already sold off the smugness to someone else?
It’s what used to keep them in business, they can actually turn a profit on their cars now, which is why their stock price has gone bonkers.
Wasn’t this mostly because of the semiconductor shortage?
Takes nearly as many components for a small cheap car as it does for a massive expensive one, so they focused the manufacturing on the big one and they’ve even had to cut back on that.
No, the F-Series has been the best selling vehicle in America for 30 consecutive years or so.
A good portion of those sales are for commercial fleets, but plenty more are just for suburban parents to drive from parking lot to parking lot.
Last year wasn’t an anomaly.
Yeah, it’s been a trope for years, lampooned by The Simpsons with Canyonero, even Robocop with its 6000 SUX.
I don’t really understand why though. Maybe it’s just because America is huge and people think nothing of driving 100 miles to go to work so want to do it in comfort, or maybe it’s the really low taxes on fuel. Maybe if they were paying UK levels of petrol duty (52.95p/litre, that’s 263 cents/gallon, plus 20% VAT), those big trucks would be quickly abandoned, along with dreams of sprawling suburban hell-holes with no pavements.
I know exactly one person who has one in the UK and we all laugh at him and call it his Fall Guy truck. Mostly because I’m old enough to remember that.
It’s due to generations of propaganda that cars=freedom and how that’s affected every aspect of American urban policy.
Most state government departments of transportation don’t fund public transit and see cars/highways as the only available option to move people from point A to point B.
This affects every level of American life. So much so that not only is gas in the US not taxed at levels seen in other developed nations, it’s subsidized.
Pickup trucks now are a defacto status symbol, and on roads where cars are getting bigger, many buyers who would consider smaller alternatives also buy bigger trucks and SUVs than they would have otherwise.
Additionally there’s a loophole in the car efficiency standards that are more lenient on SUVs and trucks than cars. This has led most manufacturers to focus on marketing Trucks and SUVs rather than cars. GM and Ford current don’t sell and have no plans to sell new cars in the US market. Their entire fleet is SUVs and trucks.
The way CAFE standards are calculated takes the overall footprint of the vehicle into account. Making the truck bigger gives them more leeway in fuel mileage. They couldn’t afford the offsets for making a small truck, they already have to buy them from Tesla even after juking the formula.
For a few seconds i was thinking of importing a Nissan Armada to Germany. Then i came to my senses and got a Taycan.
Why did i want an Armada? What happened in my brain that made me go “big car cool need”Don’t talk to me or my son ever again
