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    32 years ago

    TLDR sunlight hits the carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere and splits it into carbon-monoxide and oxygen then on the night side it recombines.

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      For those disappointed that this excellent answer doesn’t confirm the Proto Molecule, another recent discovery by the James Webb telescope on Jupiter’s moon, Europa, is that there is amorphous CO2 ice concentrated along “chaos terrain” on the surface, possibly oozing up from the subsurface ocean.

      Generally this form of CO2 is not long-lived, so it’s either being replenished by some chemical process in the ocean or…

      (≖_≖ )

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      …aliens

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        ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS – EXCEPT EUROPA.
               ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE. 
        

        It’d be incredible if it was some sort of life – even unicellular – but chances are it’s probably just something more mundane.

        But I’m hoping for aliens though.

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            Not finding any life anywhere (although hard to take samples outside the solar system) could maybe be even worse. That’d mean that it might be that some stronger version of the Anthropic Principle holds, and it could be that we’re completely alone in the universe because it’s sort of “tuned” to us, although without the intentionality that implies; random shit just happened until an incredible collection of very unlikely coincidences produced us, and just us.

            Whether we find simple life out there or not, I’m honestly pretty convinced that what’s going on right now is at least our filter, and possibly the Great Filter. A species’ ability to transform its environment might always outpace its understanding of what the outcomes will be, and getting to this point might possibly also require a competetive species, so it might just be near-inevitable that technologically advanced species kick off something like a “terminal” climate disaster or nuclear war eventually.

            Add to that the fact that it’s not at all sure that space colonization is actually doable, at least in a time frame that would allow species to spread to other planets before they screw the pooch with their original one. Not only is space travel ridiculously hard and has a ton of terrible health effects which for us humans include eg. blindness in prolonged zero-G (even a trip to Mars would be enough to badly fuck eyesight), it also takes stupid amount of resources since you have to build spinning habitats for your ships, stations etc to solve at least some of the problems and you’re probably already running out of resources on your home planet. Building a self-sufficient colony on another planet is another thing that many researchers think is likely so hard that it may as well be impossible at least for the next few hundred years, and we probably don’t have that long – whether it’s us triggering some “black swan” event and doing a speedrun to turn Earth to Venus, or climate change just getting bad enough that billions die and in the resulting chaos we pretty much nuke the rest, or whatever. Looks like we’ve been just smart enough to fuck things up, but so far just not smart enough to un-fuck them.

            So, if we find no signs of any life and we manage to effectively destroy ourselves somehow, the worst case could be that that might be it for the observable universe’s or even the entire universe’s life. Finding unicellular life would at least mean that it’s possible something else pops up somewhere at some point, but we’d be just as screwed as we would be without that discovery.

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              That anthropic principle read just blew my mind. Thanks for sharing. First time I’ve had someone point out those other coincidences, those I’ve taken as given for a long time.

              I got to save and re-read that once in a while. Hah

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                Well, it is always easy to say afterwards that everything added up to this moment. Hadn’t person X said this and wouldn’t have event Y happened at exactly that time, we wouldn’t be talking here. Yeah, but what’s the point? Sure, it is definitely mesmerizing that all albeit chances very near impossible to create this universe, what does this actually tell us? It might be a hint that there are a multitude of universes out there. But there might just be this one. Only by observing that the chances were so slim doesn’t give us any information. The article has a similar reasoning as some religious texts arguing for the existing of a higher order because of how unlikely it was for evolution to create complex life forms etc…

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                  I mean, your criticism here isn’t all that far from many of the common criticisms of AP from scientists, and personally I think those are all very valid points. But at the same time, there’s a lot of good arguments on the AP side too, so it’s a bit of a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It’s not like it’s a hypothesis that you can necessarily ever prove or disprove due to its nature, so it does veer more towards philosophy