BSD users standing outside, face pressed against the glass, gently weeping.
For shits and giggles I actually used NetBSD as a daily driver for ~1 year on my laptop while studying.
cries in broadcom wireless card not supported
Yes, a tear of joy.
I’m vegan btw
Brave little lightning rod we’ve got here, eh? You must also use Arch!!! (Just playing)
I actually do use arch haha Also this user has died due to protein deficiency
It’s weird how much people hate on arch. I’m a Ubuntu/debian guy, but the arch wiki has helped me a few times for sure.
I think it’s just a meme. I don’t think people hate arch. Same thing happens with Ubuntu, but for being too easy to use/being the default linux distro (beyond Canonical and Snap). And yes, forums and wikis are amazing tools! Linux wouldn’t be the same at all without them
That’s hilarious 😂
It’s been almost 9 years collecting memes hahaha
Me being an arch using vegan with a man-bun makes this feel like a personal attack.
But once I get my new arch setup working I’ll install gimp on it and create a meme making fun of you!
Do you also bike/lift?
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Damn, sounds like a dream.
Veggie, Ubuntu, same otherwise but fuckin’ C# for an Arduino??? Bruh.
Sorry I meant C++.
Oh no bigs, just… Never heard of that hahaha. Good luck, hope you make something cool! Check out hackaday if you want some interesting user interface ideas, be they physical or digital
And you’ll finally get your sound working on your new laptop after weeks of messing with pulse audio and realizing you just needed to install sof-firmware but didn’t scroll far enough in the wiki to see that, but now your pulse audio config is so messed up it’s just easier to reinstall Arch again
Source: my life
Are you me?
Step 1: install pipewire
there is no step 2
Installing sound on Arch is really easy:
- Install ALSA
- Install Pulse
- Spend half an hour trying to get the sound test to work with various parameters
- Realize the default sink is set to USB audio and you don’t have a USB audio device
- Google how to change the default sink
- Change the default sink
Check the arch wiki first if installing Gimp is going to bork your system.
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Yeah, a long time ago, it’s working great.
I just need to fix some drivers since I did an update yesterday.
Arch User: If CrossFit Used Linux
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Old comic
And inaccurate
Just plain illegible
Yes.
When I first tried to install Arch, I gave up when I got confused with the documentation for an encrypted install.
But since I’ve discovered archinstall, it’s a dream to do and arguably faster to install than other distros.
Used archinstall too 3 years ago, btw. The result is still running with no noticeable performance degradation if not rather performance improvements. Games continue to get snappier and look better, I find.
Also it’s stable af. Can coun’t on one hand where I had to intervene on OS updates. On those only one case where I had a terminal after reboot. All were resolved within an hour or so. Driver updates for nvidia just run through. The only time I had to mess with them was when Valve rolled out Steam’s new UI. That’s when I learned about Arch’s downgrade mechanism.
Did 2 manual i3 installs with BIOS boot mode and GRUB before I started using archinstall. I would bitterly fail with manually installing ESP/GPT/UEFI, Dual- and SystemD-boot, KDE, BTRFS, PipeWire. Used archinstall on a few PCs now and had 1 out of 4 where it wouldn’t install. On the 1 archinstall-fail an EndeavourOS Jellyfin/Emulationstation is alive and rocking now.
Ubuntu, Mint or Fedora might be better for beginners than Arch-based but a colleague without prior linux knowledge installed it himself for work and seems to have no problems. The welcome dialogue with update-starter and notifier, package cleaner, arch news reader, nvidia-installer, logviewer, mirror ranking, and links to relevant topics is good stuff. IMO they should pre-install Octopi or Pamac instead of their rudimentary graphical package manager. Endeavour is as stable as Arch so far.
Edit: exchanged PulseAudio with PipeWire which is even better ofc
Any place of discourse that incorporates the term ‘master race’ in its name is a place I give a wide berth.
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Cringe “gamers” outing themselves even more easily?
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And now back to reality:
Step 1) Install EndeavourOS Step 2) There is none.
Well, the first half of that sucked. Assuming the second half does as well.
Arch. The best OS for installing Linux. The worst OS for using Linux. :)
I shouldn’t be so mean, I use EndeavourOS BTW. But it definitely needs more care than a Fedora or a Debian.
archinstall # btrfs # user account in wheel # install plasma-meta flatpak podman distrobox fish tmux konsole # I guess thats it? su $USERNAME && systemctl enable --now sddm sudo sddm # login # Open Discover, install apps from Flathub # install stuff from Arch repos # install Ubuntu, Debian or Fedora packages with a fitting Distrobox, maybe root, to avoid weird AUR stuff breaking your system
I literally never used Arch and install took not very long after finding out what a chroot is and how to reboot from that.
archinstall
“It wasn’t hard in easy mode!”
Anyone here remember when people would say “I use debian btw” ?
It’s just the latest thing to hate. These fucktards are going to attack NixOS next.
The comic should reflect reality: “I tried installing Arch, but gave up and installed Ubuntu instead and spent three days making a comic insulting Arch users.”
Isn’t Mint kinda better Ubuntu these days? Could be worth the check if you are into Ubuntu.
Does Mint carry on the snap stuff? Usually I recommend POP!_OS for new users.
Nope, I can run it on old potato with 3GB of RAM and i doubt i could run Ubuntu’s full snaps flotila . They also remove the telemetry of Ubuntu. But AFAIK you can turn on snaps. The way i understand it Mint has these main goals : get rid of questionable Ubuntu things, keep it super stable, be welcoming to newcommers (like my none tech parents who never seen Linux could just use Mint outbox the box)
Honestly this is the reason I want an immutable build of Arch like NixOS.
Let me roll back my mistakes and I could live more happily with rolling release.
You can downgrade packages on arch too via
downgrade
.If your pc still boots.
Just add
rescue
to kernel options (if you use GRUB, presse
to edit it for the current boot) and it will boot into console from which you can dodowngrade
.
It looks like solutions like these miss the whole point of what Nix is trying to do. Nix comes with the belief: “Unix has some fundamental issues, because it was designed in specific way. If we store things differently it works really well, and we even get those cool properties for free”.
The authors of those projects instead of thinking “this looks interesting, and it is a paradigm shift but it might be worth to to try feel like Linux noob for some time and start thinking a bit differently how the file system is structured to see if this change is really worth it”
Instead it is: “I don’t need to be PhD in Computer Science (whatever that means), here is how I can force this Nix feature or two on traditional Linux, with ansible, bubble gum and some duct tape and make it immutable-ish, which fails sometimes but, hey, it has the same feature on paper.”
Well to be fair I think it’s because they aren’t trying to be NixOS. You could leverage those arguments against any distro that’s trying out an immutable flavor. Which is mostly accomplished through btrfs features.
I agree that Nix/NixOS does a lot more and it’s a genuinely impressive and paradigm shifting project but it does break with traditional Linux layouts and thinking in a way that immutability doesn’t necessarily have to do.
You could also make the same argument with the systemd and non-systemd crowd.
Either way I look forward to the future of both immutability projects and NixOS. I feel like both areas still need a bit of work but they’re both really exciting fields.
I’m looking to reload my daily driver and there’s just not enough support for that.
Oh totally fair, it doesn’t have a huge maintainer base for sure. But it’ll never be anyone’s daily driver if no one knows about it.
I love it, because you can also get best out of both worlds in relation to the comic discusses. You can personalize OS to your liking, and the entire configuration is in a file, so you can redeploy the same setup again.
When I started using Arch I just set it up on a btrfs filesystem and wrote a simple btrbk hook to take a snapshot before any package updates. That made it trivial to unfuck anything that broke after an update. I can’t remember the last time I had to roll the system back but it’s nice for peace of mind.
That’s quite clever, are there any guides for getting that set up? I’m using btrfs but haven’t gotten into snapshotting yet.
Start by playing with subvolumes and snapshots so you can get a feel for how they work. Once you’ve got that down you can break down your root filesystem into sensible subvolume chunks (
/
,/home
,/var/log
,/var/cache
etc) so that you only snapshot relevant content during each update. I wrote a btrbk config at that point, tested it a few times and then wrote a pacman hook to fire it on install, update or package remove events and went from there.Here’s what I use to take snapshots - you’ll need to write an appropriate btrbk config file for your subvolume layout but it’s otherwise feature complete. https://gitlab.com/arglebargle-arch/btrbk-autosnap
Like I mentioned above, I haven’t actually needed to roll the system back in ages but I get a lot of mileage out of being able to reach back in time and grab old versions of files for comparison.
Time shift is a lot easier if you’re just starting out but it also requires a specific subvolume structure and isn’t very flexible.
Edit: pro tip: don’t make
/var
a separate subvolume from/
, it’s way, way, way too easy to roll one or the other (/ or /var) back without the other. If you do that by accident pacman’s state becomes out of sync with the running system and everything breaks. Stick to splitting frequently rewritten data like /var/cache and /var/log off, leave /var itself in the root subvolume.Timeshift, Timeshift auto-snap, and btrfs in the grub menu to have your snapshots there, too. Auto-snap takes a snapshot automatically whenever you upgrade or install some packages.
You mean like nixos-unstable, the rolling release channel of NixOS?
Well yeah obviously like NixOS. My reason for not using it is that they use a non standard Linux filesystem and it renders a # of packages I want to install incompatible.
In that case, couldn’t you just use something like btrfs snapshots + Timeshift to pull this off?
Yeah you could put some together I think, possibly with OverlayFS as well.
I feel like the value those distros add is not just the rolling mechanism but the package manager being tied into it.
So you just use the package manager like any other and it works.
Which packages?
- Check nixpkgs unstable, they might have been added in the last few months before stable release
- Try steam-run, it will run binaries like you’re in a normal distro
I ended up packaging the thing myself, actually. The best part is my pull request was approved and I was able to contribute my work
I won’t stand for the vegan bashing
I’ll stand for it in your absence.
Part of being vegan is understanding you’ll be mocked and criticized for completely unrelated things. Like Bubly sparkling water or blue denim, for example.
Yeah, that’s too much.
I eat chicken, btw.
Of course not. With the lack of iron and protein you need to complain while sitting.
-a vegetarian
Don’t mock too much, that lack of B12 be sneaking up on us both lol
I’m vegan for health reasons and I have yet to meat one of the infamous vegans the stereotype portrays. I ask questions, look for recipes, etc, and everyone has been super nice. I think “those vegans” live primarily on Twitter and Reddit.
PS: I’ve had a working Linux system in daily use since I started back with Red Hat Halloween and I prefer Debían based installs like Pop!_OS and Mint D. Nothing against Arch but I ain’t got time to fight the OS as well as my work.
EDIT: The typo stays.
I’ve met one or two. It’s like fine, it’s a major lifestyle change often associated with ethics that sets you aside from most of society. Many folks have a period of a few months to a year or two of being really annoying about shit like that. It happens with all sorts of folks: linux and arch users, freshly out queer people, people getting into polyamory, new converts to religions… frankly atheists and people who just converted to Christianity are the worst about it in my experience. And yeah these people are annoying. You’ve been annoying too I’m sure, we all have, it’s part of being a person and the people being annoying about these things are typically doing so at an age where some variant of that is a common experience
I’ve been annoying? I’VE BEEN ANNOYING?!? I take offense of your liberal use of the past tense, Captain.
I hear ya though. I guess I’ve been lucky in my interactions, but the memes make it seem like it’s constant and ever present with vegans, and that doesn’t match with my experience outside of the Internet.
Surprisingly sane take, I forget sometimes that not everything on the internet is straight cynicism. Ty.
This is very likely my very environmentally influenced view, but I think there was a period of time where being vegan was a trend among the health hipsters, who weren’t vegan due to ethics, but because either everyone else was doing it or because they claim it has massive health benefits like they did for paleo, keto or other diets. Those I think could indeed fit that stereotype. Or maybe I’m living in a fairy tale.
They’re also on Lemmy. I haven’t been here long, but I’ve already seen 2.
One is right here in another comment chain, lol
I know what you mean, I always sit down first.
Do you do CrossFit™?