This is why I switched from Slackware, it could run in a toaster but by the time I had setup a 5 button mouse others were already doing things.
It’s great for learning tho.
Arch. The best OS for installing Linux. The worst OS for using Linux. :)
I shouldn’t be so mean, I use EndeavourOS BTW. But it definitely needs more care than a Fedora or a Debian.
I’ve been considering dipping my toes in and trying to learn Linux for the first time recently, having seen a couple screenshots from Mint that look approachable and not intimidating… Can somebody tell me how Mint would fair if it was included in this comic so I know what I’m getting myself into (or if I should try Fedora or something…)
edit: typo
Same as Fedora in this comic
Mint is hands down the easiest and most stable distro I have ever used. You don’t need the terminal at all. Comes with everything necessary preconfigured and if you need any tutorial you can use any Ubuntu tutorial (its based on Ubuntu).
You can dip your toes and have a basic Linux desktop to play with up and running in 10 minutes (less if you know what you are doing).
It will run in a virtual environment within windows (assuming you’re running 10 or 11).
So you don’t risk anything relating to disk partitioning.
And you can always start it when you have a few mins to play with it without closing down everything else you’re working on.
Not mint though. Ubuntu desktop which is I think is also pretty relaxed.
Not to ambush you into tech support, but I decided to take your advice and try that, but I’m instantly stopped and trying to google the answer for myself is just leading to vague powershell language and I’m fully unfamiliar with powershell. I installed WSL and Ubuntu, but when I attempt to open Ubuntu I’m getting:
“Installing, this may take a few minutes… WslRegisterDistribution failed with error: 0x80004002 Error: 0x80004002 No such interface supported”
Any idea what I’m doing wrong? The site I’m following (your link) doesn’t mention this error or how to overcome it, unless I’m just to dumb to decipher it.
It’s quite possible you’re running wsl 1 - some.versions of windows 10 never upgraded that subsystem - not sure why.
But it might need wsl 2.
Open PowerShell as Administrator and run: wsl --set-default-version 2
That should upgrade the Virtual environment subsystem but not the ubuntu installation - you can delete it and start again.
Or you can try and upgrade it.
Run this in your PowerShell. wsl.exe -l -v
It should show you the Ubuntu install, the state, and the version.
It should say 1, under version, if my assumption is correct.
If so you need to upgrade it to 2 also.
Copy the exact Name - it might say Ubuntu-20.04 or just Ubuntu etc .
If it says “Running” and not Stopped terminate it like so: wsl -t Distro-Name
Then run the command below (again, replace name with your exact name).
wsl --set-version distro-name 2
Then try to start it from its shortcut again.
Let me know if that worked.
*Windows PowerShell Copyright © Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Try the new cross-platform PowerShell https://aka.ms/pscore6
PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> wsl.exe -l -v Windows Subsystem for Linux has no installed distributions.
Use ‘wsl.exe --list --online’ to list available distributions and 'wsl.exe --install ’ to install.
Distributions can also be installed by visiting the Microsoft Store: https://aka.ms/wslstore Error code: Wsl/WSL_E_DEFAULT_DISTRO_NOT_FOUND PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> wsl --set-default-version 2 For information on key differences with WSL 2 please visit https://aka.ms/wsl2 The operation completed successfully. PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> wsl.exe -l -v Windows Subsystem for Linux has no installed distributions.
Use ‘wsl.exe --list --online’ to list available distributions and 'wsl.exe --install ’ to install.
Distributions can also be installed by visiting the Microsoft Store: https://aka.ms/wslstore Error code: Wsl/WSL_E_DEFAULT_DISTRO_NOT_FOUND PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>*
Still getting this when I try to open Ubuntu:
*Installing, this may take a few minutes… WslRegisterDistribution failed with error: 0x80370114 Error: 0x80370114 The operation could not be started because a required feature is not installed.
Press any key to continue…*
I did make sure the subsystem feature in windows features was turned on, btw
Wsl seems to be installed since it responded to the command to set it to version 2.
But it doesn’t sound like it ever installed Ubuntu properly since it shows no installed distributions.
Quick search shows that you need to enable the following windows features:
Virtual Machine Platform And Windows Hypervisor Platform
Are these enabled?
Edit:
Someone already answered the same thing but I didn’t see it before posting this. Well done and glad it’s working.
If you’re running Windows 10/11 Home Edition you may have to also enable the following windows features as well:
- Virtual Machine Platform
- Windows Hypervisor Platform (mixed reports of being needed)
I think this solved it! I got the installing message when I opened Ubuntu! 👍
If you’ve got a spare USB stick laying around then you could install Ventoy on it (https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html) and run Linux in a live environment. Just (1) install Ventoy on the USB (this will wipe it, btw) (2) download any live Linux ISO (Mint has one of these) and put it on the USB (3) change your BIOS boot order to USB first (4) reboot and select the Linux you want to test drive from the Ventoy menu. (5) When you’re done, just shut down, unplug USB and reboot normally.
What’s wrong with Mint?
Nothing, love Mint. Just not as easy to install on WSL with a gui.
If you just want to get to using and enjoying an operating system without reveling in nerdery (which can be fun!), Mint is fantastic. Just make sure you understand partitioning basics if you want to install alongside Windows.
You can’t go wrong using something like VirtualBox to try the install process without touching your actual system :).
If it were depicted in this comic, it would be even easier than Debian because it doesn’t lean toward any particular extreme, it just goes for being usable.
I’m pretty sure there’s a simple check box to include proprietary codecs and things that are commonly used, so you can still watch Netflix or open .mp4s and stuff.
Wide variety of drivers. Should just work on most systems. Friendly community if it doesn’t!
That said sometimes the applications feel a bit old, and you’re looking over at people playing with shiny new features in something like Blender or Krita…
Well, Mint has flatpaks built into the software store! Flatpak is basically a self-contained app that can be the latest version so it doesn’t care about the rest of your system and “just works.”
Hope you enjoy it! :)
What’s the process of switching distros? If I start with Mint but do decide later I’m enticed by those shiny new features, will switching over be akin to starting entirely over and learning a whole new system, or is it gonna more similar to just like reinstalling windows for a clean install (to use an analogy situation I’m familiar with)?
edit: wrote dispo instead of distro, goddamn stoner brain
It’s mostly a clean installation. You can copy the contents of your home directory, which is where personal configuration files are stored, in the hopes that some stuff will transfer, but surely that won’t be complete.
You could also try dual booting, installing two OSes and you’d choose which to run at start up. You can configure these so that files on one are accessible from the other. This is pretty easy to do if you’re even slightly tech savvy.
I’ve found that the shiney new features are usually buggy. If you’re into helping improve things, using and fixing the new stuff is a great way to contribute. If you’re reasonably tech savvy, you’re going to be able to figure out any distribution. With few exceptions, they’re all easy enough to use. I even doubt the portrayal of Arch in this comic. If you’re not into developing stuff or just want to get your feet wet before diving in more, starting with Mint is easy. And it’s also easy enough to switch or expand if you decide to try something different later. There’s not a lot of lock in with Linux stuff.
The other answers are spot on!
The only thing I really have to add regarding “shiny new features”, is you can fire up something like VirtualBox and make “virtual” installs of other distros on your current machine.
A virtual machine or “VM” is basically running an emulated computer on your currently running computer, just like it was a program or game. But everything is self-contained in that emulated system.
So in Mint for example, you can still download other distro ISOs, get used to running the install process, trying out new things, basically just playing around and experimenting, because if you bork the whole thing it won’t affect your working “bare metal” system you’re using. You can just delete the file and start over as if it were a brand new computer! It’s strangely fun and has a lot of practical uses. (You know, like seeing what all this fuss is about with Temple OS for instance lol)
You can find a ton of interesting distros to play with on Distrowatch.com for instance, from stuff that’s meant to run on embedded devices to stuff that’s straight up memes. Lol
If you decide to actually switch your bare-metal system using the advice above, you’ll have a lot more experience then. :)
As for other distros, distro-hopping can be a lot of fun, but just remember in the end, there’s not as much difference between distros as it seems.
Mostly it’s about whether it’s rolling release or LTS, the desktop environment it starts with, and the packages / package-manager it ships with, aside from different specific customizations that team might have done.
Essentially Linux is Linux, but different distros cater to a certain kind of use case, audience, community, and so on.
The beauty and fun of Linux is choice and always having more you can learn!
Also Mint is often touted as a “beginner distro” but that doesn’t mean it can’t be a main driver for pros! There’s nothing wrong if you find you enjoy sticking with it in the long run. :)
Have a lot of fun!
Create a separate partition for /home so you can change distro without having to backup and restore the files in your home directory. Just be sure to NOT format that partition in the installer for your new distro. Take a backup anyways.
Just run CentOS and call it a day
Mint is a based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian, so the guy on the left. The comic implies that it’s easy but not quite as easy as Fedora. I would say that it is easier to use than Fedora.
Setup is simple and unless you’ve got something unusual going on on your computer, then everything will just work. Since it’s based on Ubuntu, most Ubuntu information will also apply to Mint, and that’s nice because there is a lot of information about Ubuntu.
Not everyone would care about this, but I personally don’t like chasing updates and constantly installing the latest versions of things. All Debian distributions favor stability over cutting edge features, whereas some distributions are set up to try to get the latest changes quickly. Ubuntu leans very slightly toward cutting edge compared to stock Debian, but Ununtu has Long Term Support (LTS) releases which are supported for, I think, 5 years. Ubuntu also have other releases with shorter support times. If you’re using Ubuntu and favor stability, you need to pay a little attention to what you’re installing. Mint is based only on Ubuntu LTS releases, so Mint favors stability.
And I’ll keep using it
If that’s a first install, then sure. Otherwise… There was a speedrun installing arch under 2 min…
How does that work? Do they count user interaction time only by pausing the timer during package downloads?
Or do you need fast internet to play?
Not that I remember finding any rules, so that’s mostly just messing around; technically you can quickly setup your own mirrors in LAN, although I don’t remember if that was done. Stuff was mostly about knowing what to type and blindly pre-typing next commands while previous are still in action
Might just be an old comic. The above was true a few years ago, but not so much anymore.
Yeah now its like archinstall, check some boxes, maybe google some packages to install at setup and you’re done.
oof i wish it was that easy. that’s the simple version of what i spent the last 2 weeks doing. On Windows I’d consider myself a power user. I get a lot of work done, quickly, and besides that I would say I’m pretty tech literate over all. But arch is just ridiculously difficult to understand how to use unless you’re already very familiar with linux. I feel like any wrong move i make is gonna break my setup. i got my comptia A+ , which while very basic, definitely goes to show I’m not some random luddite
What is ridiculously difficult to understand?
I installed Linux mint on a trusty old thinkpad. Used it probably 5 times over the course of a year. Then installed arch on a newer T480s I received from work. I am a complete novice. It is literally that easy. You download the arch installer, follow the wiki on the 2 or 3 commands needed for internet, then type archinstall. Thats it. You literally dont even have to install anything else, especially if you choose desktop instead of minimal like I did. I have no idea what anyone is talking about it being difficult. Its easy.
i installed endeavouros really quickly
The fact that speedruns for installing Arch even exist kind of proves the point.
I actually encoutered this the other day.
Me: “Yeah I need reliability for work and sometimes I just don’t have time to repair stuff. Last time I was on rolling release some update fucked my system right before an important deadline”
Other person: “It wOn’T bReAk If YoU UndErStANd iT”
._.
Anyway stable is awesome
Yep and that’s why I refuse to use rolling distros. I don’t need the latest update of everything to game. Give me a stable system any day instead.
Debian or openSUSE Leap for me.
Arch + BTRFS snapshots might be great. I am trying that out currently, but will probably just stay on Fedora Kinoite
Me being an arch using vegan with a man-bun makes this feel like a personal attack.
But once I get my new arch setup working I’ll install gimp on it and create a meme making fun of you!
Do you also bike/lift?
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Damn, sounds like a dream.
Veggie, Ubuntu, same otherwise but fuckin’ C# for an Arduino??? Bruh.
Sorry I meant C++.
Oh no bigs, just… Never heard of that hahaha. Good luck, hope you make something cool! Check out hackaday if you want some interesting user interface ideas, be they physical or digital
Check the arch wiki first if installing Gimp is going to bork your system.
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Yeah, a long time ago, it’s working great.
I just need to fix some drivers since I did an update yesterday.
And you’ll finally get your sound working on your new laptop after weeks of messing with pulse audio and realizing you just needed to install sof-firmware but didn’t scroll far enough in the wiki to see that, but now your pulse audio config is so messed up it’s just easier to reinstall Arch again
Source: my life
Are you me?
Step 1: install pipewire
there is no step 2
Installing sound on Arch is really easy:
- Install ALSA
- Install Pulse
- Spend half an hour trying to get the sound test to work with various parameters
- Realize the default sink is set to USB audio and you don’t have a USB audio device
- Google how to change the default sink
- Change the default sink
Debian guy could have saved time by connecting to lan after boot and installing the wifi package directly.
Or installed Bookworm.
Guess it depends on hardware, I still had to add the wifi driver for bookworm.
Happened to me a few times already that the ethernet drivers are unfree.
*shakes fist at heaven*
Damned thou shalt be, Atheros gigabit ethernet chip!
WHAT?! I would have never guessed that. Lan has always seemed to be the one part that’s dependable, no matter what’s booting.
Last time was the integrated lan card in an MSI motherboard if I remember correctly.
Or for laptops with no Ethernet, USB-tether a phone.
For some reason, this didn’t work on my old phone after installing PixelExperience 11 on it.
There’s a third way. Bluetooth. At least you don’t need a cable, and you’ll save power.For that reason, I usually use Bluetooth instead of Wi-Fi, unless I need higher bandwidth (except during peak hours of network usage, when my connection speed is below 1Mbps anyway).
I completely forgot there are laptops with no lan port now.
NOT IN THIS HOUSE THERE AREN’T, YOUNG MAN!
I would like this comic done by an arch user.
I want to see Debain users and Fedora users faces when they noticd they don’t have access the AUR or PKGBUILDs.
I want to see them running sudo make install to install stuff from git.
Also reading the Arch wiki for so long is something new arch users probably do. I installed arch for tens of times btw and for me the system already runs with the installation media.
I am very sure no Debian or Fedora user is done after the installer finishes. Then comes the tricky part of the setup. The one that takes days. Adding ppas and making stuff work fedora doesn’t package.
This process starts with arch right away. From the moment i chroot into my installation.
I actively maintain ~9 computers in my house running arch. Many of them have dual boot arch. E.g. one arch for work, one arch for everything else. One arch for music production, one arch for everything rlse. I run arch on my webserver. I run arch on my home sevrer. I run arch on my wifes gaming desktop. I run arch on my wifes laptop. I run arch on my kids netbook. i run arch on rasberry pi.
btw.
This comment reads like your man bun is trembling in rage.
Why are Arch users always so angry?
I am always a bit disapointed when I install debian every couple of years.
Like, after 1.5 hours, I am like “what, that was all?” Most of the stuff I need is installed by default, just add Jetbrains toolbox, install my ide, add a few more packages and git clone my current project.
Edit: autocorrect changed git to it
I quit using Arch after about ten years of using it because Team Fortress 2 quit working and none of the resolutions on protondb fixed my issue.
Priorities, people.
The 32bit
libtcmalloc_minimal.so.4that all Source 1 games ship with needs to be updated. You can symlink it to your system’s version to get TF2 running again. It’s usually only a matter of time before it starts to effect more downstream distros.The other problem I have with TF2 is queueing for casual just stops for no discernable reason or error every time, even if I’m not the party host. But then I come back later and it works again? Only real solution I’ve found is to have my friends queue without me and then join after they’ve found a match.
See, I did all that… and then audio broke. So, I couldn’t anymore, man. I probably could’ve copied the install, kept it updated and held it for a resolution but I just don’t demand that much from my builds anymore really. I went with Mint with XFCE and haven’t had a single issue since install. I’m good. If it comes down to Ubuntu’s base, a lot more eyes will be on the problem and I’ll sort it out then.
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Arch User: If CrossFit Used Linux
BSD users standing outside, face pressed against the glass, gently weeping.
cries in broadcom wireless card not supported
Yes, a tear of joy.
For shits and giggles I actually used NetBSD as a daily driver for ~1 year on my laptop while studying.
I won’t stand for the vegan bashing
I’ll stand for it in your absence.
Yeah, that’s too much.
I eat chicken, btw.
I know what you mean, I always sit down first.
Do you do CrossFit™?
Of course not. With the lack of iron and protein you need to complain while sitting.
-a vegetarian
Don’t mock too much, that lack of B12 be sneaking up on us both lol
Part of being vegan is understanding you’ll be mocked and criticized for completely unrelated things. Like Bubly sparkling water or blue denim, for example.
I’m vegan for health reasons and I have yet to meat one of the infamous vegans the stereotype portrays. I ask questions, look for recipes, etc, and everyone has been super nice. I think “those vegans” live primarily on Twitter and Reddit.
PS: I’ve had a working Linux system in daily use since I started back with Red Hat Halloween and I prefer Debían based installs like Pop!_OS and Mint D. Nothing against Arch but I ain’t got time to fight the OS as well as my work.
EDIT: The typo stays.
They’re also on Lemmy. I haven’t been here long, but I’ve already seen 2.
One is right here in another comment chain, lol
This is very likely my very environmentally influenced view, but I think there was a period of time where being vegan was a trend among the health hipsters, who weren’t vegan due to ethics, but because either everyone else was doing it or because they claim it has massive health benefits like they did for paleo, keto or other diets. Those I think could indeed fit that stereotype. Or maybe I’m living in a fairy tale.
I’ve met one or two. It’s like fine, it’s a major lifestyle change often associated with ethics that sets you aside from most of society. Many folks have a period of a few months to a year or two of being really annoying about shit like that. It happens with all sorts of folks: linux and arch users, freshly out queer people, people getting into polyamory, new converts to religions… frankly atheists and people who just converted to Christianity are the worst about it in my experience. And yeah these people are annoying. You’ve been annoying too I’m sure, we all have, it’s part of being a person and the people being annoying about these things are typically doing so at an age where some variant of that is a common experience
I’ve been annoying? I’VE BEEN ANNOYING?!? I take offense of your liberal use of the past tense, Captain.
I hear ya though. I guess I’ve been lucky in my interactions, but the memes make it seem like it’s constant and ever present with vegans, and that doesn’t match with my experience outside of the Internet.
Surprisingly sane take, I forget sometimes that not everything on the internet is straight cynicism. Ty.
When did all the 13 year old Redditors invade Lemmy?
🎶 wake me up, when September ends…
:( Yeah. Feels like it.
they took over the rest of the internet, now they’re coming for you.
seriously, where are their parents?
Also on Reddit.
One month ago?
Ikr? Low-hanging fruit at best.
I would be so proud of my 13 year old cousin knew this much about Linux.
Knew just enough to bully people for choice of distribution (and animal ethics stances, incidentally) using entirely inaccurate tired old stereotypes? There’s a use case for any distribution.
