As the title says, my first love whom I’ve missed dearly has just contacted me and it’s thrown my world upside down. We met when we were both 14 and spent a little under 4 years together. It was a wildly inappropriate relationship from the start by the standards today, but we both suffered abusive and absent parents, so found each other. We spent all the time we could together, at the cost of our studies, friends, what little family there was and all else. We were absolutely codependent, physically living as adults and were each other’s worlds.

I’m now marred to my wife of 20 years and we have a home together, no children but a successful life by any measure. I love my wife dearly and tell her almost everything, she knows about the contact and encouraged me to start a conversation with my first love. I’ve avoided difficult things in the past, employing avoidance rather than facing things head on, and this is why she encouraged me.

It’s been wonderful to speak to my first love again, and it’s brought up emotions I thought long gone. I’m not sleeping, eating little and completely preoccupied by thoughts of what we once had; I feel love sick, but for a squandered past, not a realistic present. I’m bipolar so this is particularly dangerous for me and for anyone else out there like me, I’m working to try and stay grounded, away from the mania and get some rest, but it’s hard.

I broke off the relationship back then, because I was afraid of what we were committing to and because I was being manipulated by a very toxic group of people who in hindsight, only wanted to sow chaos and take pleasure in my humiliation. I was not diagnosed back then and so was particularly vulnerable when experience the extremes. If I knew now what I knew then, I would not have been so reckless with her emotions, as it caused her immense pain and led her on a path of self destruction for a number of years.

She’s has moved back to near where I live after being on the other side of the country for the past nearly 3 decades. I desperately want to meet her for coffee and look at her eyes again, but I’m also supremely cautious because I don’t want to upset my wife and am also afraid of what I might be feeling.

Any advice gratefully received on how I navigate this. I should also mention that whereas I don’t have children, my first love does and two of them are quite young, one is an adult.

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Thank you all of you for your advice and guidance, and for your kindness in share it with me. I ate some food last night and have slept, which has brought the mania back down to a more manageable level, and with that I’ve taken on board and heard all that you’ve collectively said.

My plan is to talk to my wife this weekend about what I’ve been going through and ask how she would feel about having a coffee with my first love. I really thought through what matters most to me and it’s the present, the future and that is with my wife. She’s a wonderful woman who has helped me through so much and my life now wouldn’t even be recognisable to 18 year old me. Through her I found the strength to recover from addiction, face my mental health demons, go to University and become the successful privacy lawyer I am today. All of this would not have happened without her strength and support.

If you’re reading this you probably wonder why the voice above the edit, and the voice below it, are so different in tone; the answer is my bipolar disorder and it’s sometimes extremely hard for me to see that change happening.

  • @[email protected]
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    I think you nailed it on the head yourself - that all the things you’re feeling are for a “squandered past, not a realistic future.”

    I’ve struggled with this situation as well, and those feelings never last. The other person feels like an “escape” from your current partner because they are a mystery. I love my SO, but I know all the dirty minutiae of living together for 7 years. He tends to fart loudly in the toilet when he thinks I’m asleep still, and sometimes lets his toenails get too long.

    The little details like that don’t give your imagination much leeway, where a prospective life with another person is full of possibilities.

    Don’t let this new person be an excuse to throw away your current relationship. It throwing such a huge wrench in your system is indicative of something being amiss in your marriage. Maybe there’s some distance, or needs not being met.

    Crushes on other people happen in long term relationships, and are normal, but the response in a healthy relationship is being able to recognize that the lovesickness is fleeting. The bond with the new person isn’t fate: it’s just filling a hole at the moment.

    Edit: a good test is this - if the other person had never come back into your life, would you still be happier if you left your wife? If the answer is yes, then perhaps you need to rethink your relationship, but do it alone. Don’t jump to a new one right away without sorting out the baggage from the previous one

    • @[email protected]OP
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      42 years ago

      Thank you very much for this, I laughed out loud at the farting becuase after 20 years of marriage that’s the good stuff and also for pointing out what I already knew to be true. I’ve been struggling with grief for 2 years and the person who I lost also knew my first love so this felt like some sort of divine connection - your comment about filling a hole is on the money. Thank you again, I really appreciate you and your advice.

      • @[email protected]
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        32 years ago

        You’re very welcome! I think the fact that you’re able to reflect so deeply on this is a really good thing.

        Forgive my assumptions, but from what it looks like from the outside, you’ve come a long way down a pretty bumpy road. Lots of people get swept up in these feelings and regret it, but your self awareness is admirable. Sending good vibes and best wishes, whatever path you take

        • @[email protected]OP
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          32 years ago

          Thank you and again, you’re good at that cold read; it has been a long bumpy road and I am currently supported, stable and fulfilled. This for me I think is about dealing with addiction and regret…and that’s what I’m going to be talking to my counselor about at our next session. I really do appreciate all the advice I’ve had on this thread, some of it is a bit flippant but offered nonetheless, yours however has been insightful and welcome. Sending those good vibes back fellow internet stranger.

  • @[email protected]
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    132 years ago

    Stay friends if you want. Good friends are hard to come by but DONT let it become anymore than that. You said you have a good life with your wife who you love dearly. Dont throw it away for what could have been.

  • @[email protected]
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    The way that you react to your ex seems like they bring you back to an older mindset. Problem is that wasn’t a healthy mindset. The way you talk about her sounds more like a recovering addict being tempted to use again, rather than someone making a rational decision. If you decided to pursue a relationship with your ex, I can’t see it ending particularly well. Maybe the problem is that she personifies a lot of your regrets and insecurities and guilt, and the temptation is there because you think you might be able to to do it “right” this time now that you’re older and more mature, but that’s never a good reason to re-enter a relationship, that’s the devil talking. The fact that it’s bringing up the old emotions and feeling so much like it did back when you were 14 is a huge red flag. If you ever decide to get back into a relationship with an ex, it should be because it doesn’t feel the same as it used to, because you’re both different people now. Only then do you maybe have a chance of avoiding the same issues that drove you apart last time. But even then it’s a huge risk. And that’s not even factoring the fact that you’re married. Even if you’re feeling unsatisfied in your marriage, that’s something you should address first and foremost before even thinking about pursuing another relationship with someone else. Sometimes the grass on the other side only seems greener because we’ve stopped tending our own fields, if you know what I mean.

    I think you should be open with your wife about it, tell her that you’re worried about the feelings talking with your ex has been bringing up and you’re not sure if it’s a good idea to get involved with her. And be honest with the friend too, so if you do decide to break things off, then she’ll at least know that it’s not something she did wrong, it was just that there’s too much baggage there and you’re not ready to address it yet.

    If you don’t want to cut her out entirely, then you can always just take a rain check for now. Maybe work through your own feelings first, away from your ex, see a therapist about it even, and then you can try to form a friendship with her again when you feel more emotionally stable and see how that goes. Ideally you should feel more like you want to get to know her for who she is now, and less like you’re an addict craving who she used to be and what you used to have with her. But if that goes the same way, then sometimes it’s better to just let yourselves live different, separate lives.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      32 years ago

      That’s incredibly astute, I am a recovered addict; both alcohol and drugs, but other things too. Your advice is really welcome on how to proceed, and you’re correct in your analysis of how I am thinking about my first love; what it was not what it is. Honestly I’m a bit of mess at the moment, but have just booked an additional few counseling sessions to talk this all through. Thanks again, really appreciate it.

  • @[email protected]
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    522 years ago

    Your wife knows about the contact, instead of coffee for just two of you, invite your old friend over for coffee and to meet your wife. It may help you settle some of the distress you’re feeling to recontextualize this person from your past with your anchors in your present.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      242 years ago

      I had genuinely not thought of that, it slightly fills me with fear to have past and present sat around our table.

      • @[email protected]
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        112 years ago

        A lot of things that are worth doing are scary. It sounds like you have a really good open and honest relationship with your wife, I’d talk to her about it beforehand so she can be on the same page as you.

      • @[email protected]
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        132 years ago

        It’s really not worth it. We all long for things in the past when we were younger and life was more exciting. Stick with the present and future. Meeting up with this past lover is a really bad idea.

  • @[email protected]
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    312 years ago

    You need to talk to a professional (e.g. A therapist familiar with bipolar). This would be complicated even if you didn’t have the added complication of the bipolar mania.

    But if you won’t do that, here’s a TL;DR.

    You do not know this person. A lifetime has passed since you knew them. You are painting a rosier picture of the past than necessarily existed. Do not throw away what you have for a fantasy.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      52 years ago

      Thanks friend, others suggested this too and I have two extra appointments confirmed for the next two weeks to discuss this. Appreciate you looking out for me here, genuinely I do.

  • lobster_irl
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    This exact thing happened to several people in my parents friend group… it didn’t work out a single time. Whatever issues you have with your wife, work on them or break up but don’t get together with the new lady before you figure out why you would ever think these feelings were anything other than infatuation. I know that sounds harsh but I’ve literally seen this again and again and everytime people got hurt very badly.

  • xuxebiko
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    Maybe process your thoughts and feelings out with a counsellor/ pyschologist? They’ll be unbiased and can help ground you to a healthy frame of mind.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      22 years ago

      Thanks for this, I read your comments when you posted them but have just been booking a couple of extra sessions. Really good shout and thanks for reminding me I have this.

  • @[email protected]
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    32 years ago

    You and being lured by the fantasy. The “good memories” of the time you had, and the not realistic ideas of what could be, the fantasy. Just like anybody and porn, the idea of banging or being with that person seems fucking awesome and appealing. Remind yourself of reality, ground yourself from the fantasy, you have acquired baggage, so has she. You are different people, whether you realize it or not.

    Logically and emotionally walk through the consequences: You both suddenly fall madly in love with each other. You cheat on your spouse, who has shared everything with you for two decades. You hurt your wife terribly, because she trusted you. You betrayed that trust. Now Imagine she did that, put yourself in her shoes, and not for just a quick thought. Really think about how you would feel if you encouraged her to be strong and grow (as you have for 20 years one hopes). And she leaves you for a childhood fantasy from over 20 years ago. Think about how much that would hurt you. Think about the repercussions. Think about what your friends and families would think and how they would react to her leaving you like that. After all that can you really consider doing that to her?

    Recognize that it is just a fantasy. Think of all the time you would have wasted by throwing what you have built away.

    And if you still want to meet her and catch up and risk trying to create a PLUTONIC friendship with her… Here is my advice: BRING YOUR WIFE. It will make your position clear to the old flame. when you meet, focus yourself on talking about the life you and the wife have had together and about how great she is. And in your head focus on the flames defects, find defects, everyone has them. Remind yourself that the woman your with has compromised and ignored your faults helped you grow, as you have helped her. This old flame has been out of your life for two decades and isn’t in a relationship. That is a giant bright red flag, you may have moved past the issues you had growing up. She may have not grown at all.

    Personally I wouldn’t risk it, but if you do focus on how much you love and don’t want to hurt your spouse and destroy everything you have built together. Once you break that trust, you may Never get it back. (How much would you trust her if she banged an old flame, or left you and then tried to come back?)

    • @[email protected]OP
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      12 years ago

      Thank you for the effort you put into that advice, I genuinely appreciate and hear what you say.

  • @[email protected]
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    32 years ago

    Is polyamory an option for each of the three of you?

    If no, the solution becomes much more complicated.

    • @[email protected]
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      32 years ago

      I’m poly myself and will tell you from experience that A) OP is not given the phrasing of this question and B) if the is like relationship subs on reddit that you’re gonna get down voted to hell for suggesting anything but monogamy

      • @[email protected]
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        22 years ago

        In fairness you can also get downvoted in the polyamory subreddit for suggesting things the majority there don’t want to consider.

  • FlashMobOfOne
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    282 years ago

    In your situation, I wouldn’t. I’d leave the past in the past, particularly given the fact that you’ve found love with someone else.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      72 years ago

      Thank you, I appreciate you and your advice. Would it change things if I said my wife and I had slept in separate beds for the past two years?

      • @[email protected]
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        192 years ago

        Why would it? Is that a problem for you? If so, talk to your wife about it.

        There are literally hundreds of posts on the old relationship subreddits that start out the way yours did and end up having a “I pursued this new thing and deeply regret it” update.

      • FlashMobOfOne
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        82 years ago

        In the end, only you know what’s best, but it’s probably good that you’re crowdsourcing opinions. Be sure to talk about it with the people you’re close to who know you.

        • @[email protected]OP
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          42 years ago

          Thanks, my problem is the only person who I was really close to other than my wife, and who knew me from then all the way through killed himself back in 2021. I’m slightly sad to admit but I don’t have the sort of friends I can talk to about this. Crowdsourcing is definitely a good option for me today.

      • @[email protected]
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        42 years ago

        Kings and queens had separate beds too. My wife and I sleep in different beds. It’s fairly common. If you guys aren’t intimate that’s different. If you’re not intimate and you’re wife is encouraging you to speak with this old flame then there are some real issues most likely.

  • Melpomene
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    Simply put? Meeting her is a bad idea because you very clearly have feelings for your ex. If you’re having feelings then that’s something you might want to discuss that with your wife too… she’s been incredibly accepting so far, but you realizing you still have feelings (or might) is something you need to be honest about.

    What is your intent in meeting your former flame for coffee? What are you hoping will happen? What are you afraid might happen?

  • Melpomene
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    Simply put? Meeting her is a bad idea because you very clearly have feelings for your ex. If you’re having feelings then that’s something you might want to discuss that with your wife too… she’s been incredibly accepting so far, but you realizing you still have feelings (or might) is something you need to be honest about.

    What is your intent in meeting your former flame for coffee? What are you hoping will happen? What are you afraid might happen?

    • @[email protected]OP
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      22 years ago

      Thanks for your advice and in answer to your question I just want to speak to her in person again after all this time. I’m afraid that she will still carry a flame for me, and honestly, I’m afraid I might feel that too in person and get swept up in it all.

      • @[email protected]
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        32 years ago

        Yeah, just skip the meeting, keep your memories in tact, and forget she ever contacted you. There is no good outcome from meeting her in person

  • HelixDab
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    There was a woman that I was in love with a little over 20 years ago. She was my idea of physically attractive–definitely not most people’s idea of attractive–and was so entirely fundamentally broken that it triggered intense feelings of being protective towards her along with desire. She was smart, sarcastic, liked cats (yeah, that’s pretty important), and was also entirely addicted to opiates and cocaine. She was very open about how fucked up she was. I was fucked too; I was not a mentally or emotionally healthy person in the least.

    If I had ended up being in a long-term relationship with her, I would almost certainly have ended up dead by now; I either would have gotten equally addicted to opiates, or I would have killed myself at some point. Thankfully, since I couldn’t supply her with drugs, she wasn’t interested in anything long-term with me.

    I look her up every so often on Facebook. She’s still alive, and posts the same kind of angsty cringe shit she would have posted if Facebook had existed 20-odd years ago (and, to be brutally honest, the kind of angsty cringe shit I used to post before I quit doing anything except lurking). If I spoke with her again, I’d probably have to deal with the same unresolved feeling again, because there really isn’t a resolution to them. It would be dangerous to me to get close, and so I don’t.

    There have been several women like her in my life; I am not in contact with any of them, and I do not plan on having anything other than–at most–electronic communication with them at any point in the future.

    Feelings are not enough to make a functional, coherent relationship. Feelings are necessary, but are not the only thing. You can love someone completely, even recognizing all of their many, deep, and varied flaws, and that doesn’t mean that it’s going to be good or healthy for you. Or for them. Mistakes happen, and you hurt people. You can apologize and be a better person in the future, but you also can’t unwind the past.

    I would strongly suggest that you work on your current relationship rather than revisiting something your past. There are some things you’ve said about your own tendency towards avoidance, and about your relationship with your wife, that lead me to think that perhaps you could use some help with communication and intimacy. That’s not a bad thing; relationships can almost always be improved. If you are certain that you want to resume contact with this person, I would, at a bare fucking minimum, set very strong and clear boundaries about what is and is not appropriate to talk about, and I would suggest that you should ensure that your wife be a part of this contact–which is to say, a chaperone–so that the risks of going to an inappropriate place are reduced.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      32 years ago

      Thanks for sharing that, I appreciate the time it took to put that together and the effort in sharing it.

  • @[email protected]
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    62 years ago

    It will never be what it was, and you’re presumably happy with your wife. Consider it a walk down memory lane, but know that you’re wearing rose coloured glasses and should see it only as a nice memory, not an opportunity or path forward.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      12 years ago

      I was aware I’m looking at this through those rose tinted lenses, but thanks for reminding me. It’s great looking on back on life 30 years ago, I had not responsibility but tons of free time, so it’s easy to think it was all like that.

  • @[email protected]
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    82 years ago

    A good marriage/partnership is worth protecting. People chase self actualization and blow up their lives all the time.

    Maybe give your attention to improving your current relationship? Therapy together? Something that will improve your already good life.

    Wishing you the best.