I’ve been thinking about something and want to check an assumption I have. I only hear directly from other people in the USA, and interract with the global community through memes. How are the gun regulations/laws different from yours in terms of strictness, and do you wish there was more or less where you live?
Not looking for a debate here, discuss cold drinks vs hot drinks instead. Appreciate either answer. ❤️
Edit: Thanks for the answers all. I’m super proud how productive eveyone kept this talk. I figured most of you had very different experiences than I. I’ll share my most recent experience. I don’t have a firearm, but have considered it after being trained enough. When sharing this with “normal” people around town, I had multiple people offer to sell or gift me a gun where the serial number was scratched off and non-traceable. I ofter heard, “oh man, yeah. You need a gun.” I have literally never needed one. The fact that people offer to give me one when I don’t have a liscence or training shows the mindset of the minority here and how much of a problem a few individuals can make to safety within the current system.
In Dominican Republic the laws don’t allow anyone to carry, however, if you have enough money, you can pay your way through owning a gun and carrying legally. It’s messed up. I wish the law about guns here was like in Australia. No guns. End of story.
I’m Australian, live in the suburbs and have multiple firearms in my safe. There’s not many guns but there are certainly guns.
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India has 5.3 civilian firearms per 100 people.
That’s higher than I expected. I haven’t seen a gun outside of CISF or armed police. Is it UP skewing the numbers?
According to Bard, it says that UP is skewing the numbers, but I don’t trust the verbal vomit from that LLM. If you can give a look at the 2021 data, it could point out to what you’re looking for. But yes, North India has a gang violence and gun culture problem. We’re talking about Punjab, Delhi, Haryana, UP and Bihar. Then there’s also insurgent groups in Chattisgarh, Odisha, West Bengal, Assam and Jharkhand.
Oh yes, I forgot about the insurgencies. That’s probably the bulk of the guns.
Switzerland: Lot of guns here, but there are background checks and every gun is accounted for as you have to send a copy of the receipt to the government. There are also other laws surrounding the whole topic like how to properly store them, how to transport guns etc.
But there are a lot of guns and basically no incidents. However the overall respect toward guns as well as strong social security probably go a long way.
Side note: I only ever once shot a gun. Went to a shooting range (friend of mine had to go there anyway for mandatory military shooting exercises), they had a range to shoot handguns. Applied, got one, did my 10 rounds and left. But there was strong supervision, one wrong move and they would take the gun away.
Some guy shot up a nursery in Scotland in the eighties and guns have pretty much been banned ever since in the UK. You have to meet very specific criterias to get a gun like being ex military and or service or being a farmer for examples. should read into Philip luty shame what happened to the guy
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Close, but it was a primary school in 1996.
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UK. Much, much, MUCH stricter than the US and I’m very glad.
German here, I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen a gun irl, except when used by the police or military. They are just not really a thing here. Nobody I’ve ever met owns one, nobody wants or needs one, nobody even talks about them.
There are legal ways to get a gun, but I never had to care about the details. That’s pretty amazing imo, if you consider how big of a topic and problem they are in the US.
Fellow German here, I can remember seeing a Hunter carrying a Rifle. And that was many years ago. I can rember cleary because i have never seen a rifle irl before and after that.
Well, we have the “no speedlimit on Autobahn” thing instead. But at least that is less harmful
I would gladly take my chances on the autobahn over the freeways in California. I feel that I’m much more likely to get killed in California by somebody texting while driving.
I feel like the nature of the autobahn makes it so drivers actually have to pay attention, but I could be wrong.
Also, the kind of cars that are popular in Europe actually drive and perform well. Our freeways are filled with pickup trucks and large SUVs, where the driver can’t see anything in a 10 foot radius around their truck, and if they have to perform a quick maneuver at top speed, it’s pretty much impossible.
Road safety here means to just be in a bigger vehicle, not to have a nimble well handling vehicle like most Europeans seem to prefer.
Apparently the number of deaths on the Autobahn is pretty average compared to other european countries, but it could still be much lower with speed limits.
There are stories from a company I used to work for, where the CEO was walking through the office with a rifle. He apparently kept his hunting rifle in a gun safe in his office on days when he was planning on going hunting. And I have fired several guns at a shooting range in Hamburg. As I didn’t join the army this was my first time operating a firearm. Quite intense and interesting experience. Overall I agree with you, seeing firearms not carried by the police is such a rare experience here.
I live in Oregon but grew up in Australia, where you can’t get guns. There’s a process for farmers to apply for a gun to shoot roos and whatnot, but that’s it. Other than that only police and military get guns.
Having lived in countries with no guns and all the guns, I would vote for almost anyone who promised to criminalize gun ownership here in the US. There’s no benefit to a gun flooded society and infinite misery.
I’m pretty sure Aussies can also get recreational/competition permits. I’ve seen a few Aussies on YouTube who shoot PRS.
Edit: PRS stands for Precision Rifle Shooting. Basically trying to get really tight group on far away targets mostly done with bolt action rifles with high magnification scopes.
You can, but you need to have a sensible reason to own one. “self defense” isn’t a reason, it is a fantasy.
Plenty of people have target guns and other stuff for club and sport shooting, all carefully locked up when not in use, as is the law, so accidents don’t happen.
Incidentally, we did have a school shooting in the last thirty years. In SA, I believe. No one died and they tightened the restrictions. It worked.
Vietnam. I’ve never seen someone with a gun that wasn’t army, police, or at an Olympic event. Civilians can only own shotguns, and even then under a lot of restrictions. It’s quite uncommon but I’ve heard of companies with rubber plantations out in the middle of nowhere having one gun on site. I’ve only heard of it being used to kill the odd wild boar that accidentally wanders into the office building.
There are some illegal guns from time to time, but not that many. It’s something I’ve only seen on the news.
The current situation suits me just fine – at our population density, I’m not comfortable with gun ownership being widespread. When you put enough people in a small space, there’s always someone angry nearby, always someone celebrating, being born, dying. With everything happening everywhere all at once, adding guns to the mix would not be great, I think.
Also as one of very few immigrants to Vietnam, I am already seen as a target for thieves. People imagine I must be magically very wealthy or something – I’m not. I came here with nothing and built a company, to progress to maybe middle-class. I live in the slums quietly like a normal person.
I would be OK with the police or army running shooting ranges where you could rent a gun to practice target shooting. Maybe that already exists, for all I know. I haven’t really checked. There are archery ranges though, this is good enough for me :D
On the other hand – more or less all citizens are trained to service an assault rifle. The means disassembly, cleaning, maintenance. My wife was fastest in her university class. We just don’t own guns.
Wow, when I was 16 in Hanoi, a dude in a market tried to sell me a revolver
Haha wow. Times have certainly changed!
This city is nearly unrecognizable from 10 years ago.
You migrated to Vietnam? That’s actually quite interesting! Can I ask you some questions?
Sure. Go ahead.
Long story short though, my field of study disappeared in a puff of legislation, then the field I pivoted to also disappeared in a puff of legislation. So I decided to try and immigrate to a growth economy. I also taught myself software and hardware engineering. After visiting China and Vietnam, Vietnam seemed to have substantially clearer laws regarding foreign owned companies and immigration, the language didn’t make me functionally illiterate, and 12 years ago the economy hadn’t boomed yet, so the timing was better. The 5 year plan also had specific incentives for people like me.
The rest is mostly paperwork and immigration compliance (which you can also ask me about if you like). Currently there’s a trend where calling yourself a ‘digital nomad’, ‘expat’ or ‘remote worker’ means you ignore the laws of the country you’re a guest in – I’m not one of those (haha, I have dark stories about that crowd). I’ve seen so many of those come and go, that I don’t remember their names or faces – only their misplaced optimism.
Portuguese here:
- There was compulsory male military service, that would be the only place where you could “handle” military grade hardware, aka assault rifles.
- Currently IIRC, guns are accessible if: you’re a military or law enforcement agent, a hunter (rifle or shotgun) or go through a process for a fire arm license due to professional or business reasons (e.g. a goldsmith) for self-defense.
As well hand guns are limited to “non-military” calibers… for instance 9mm is for government agents solely.
Of course there’s black market and use by shady actors…
As for people’s personal relationship with guns, most people doesn’t care to have one as there’s not much violent crime to justify said behavior.
I’m from NZ. I was very surprised to learn that our gun laws were quite lax up until the relatively recent mosque shooting in Christchurch - the assault-style weapon the shooter used was quite legal, including the special modifications he had made to make it better for killing people.
in the wake of that tragedy, things have gotten a lot stricter, though I’m afraid I can’t provide specifics - while I love guns, my collections are confined to the virtual, and I really have no interest in owning one IRL.
India. Very strict gun laws. This law is enforced in the part of India that I live in. The only gunshots that I’ve heard in my life are from movies and video games. However, I did hold a gun in my hand once hehe. One of my friends’ dads had a gun license for some reason (I think he was a top level policeman or something). It was an unloaded black revolver that he was showing off to us kids lol. I remember being surprised at how much heavier it was than I thought it to be.
HOWEVER, in northern India (especially Uttar Pradesh), illegal guns are a very real thing. The law is very poorly enforced there. So yeah… There’s that.
@[email protected] in Europe gun ownership is largely illegal. You can get a permit but it need to be approved by the police and the gun you can buy is of limited firepower, like a pistol or something like that. You can also get hunting licenses and that is about it.
In Canada you can buy hunting rifles at some Canadian Tires (think Target). You must get a PAL license and do some in-person firearms safety and training, store the rifle in a locked and certified gun locker, and can only carry it around to the range and for hunting.
It’s fairly strict on who gets a PAL (I can’t get one ever in my life because I was hospitalized for major depressive disorder when I was 18 and am 30 now).
Most people don’t care about guns here. They’re good for moose hunting and little air rifles are fun to shoot when one goes up to a cottage or something. There’s a small minority here that is very passionate about gun laws, but that same group also is usually very keen on the first and second amendment and often need to be reminded that those are American laws, not Canadian.
Everything here is correct, except the part about needing a gun safe. As long as they are stored in an area considered to be locked away from the public (e.g. your home) you’re good.
Source: am a Canadian who owns guns and stores them in my house with no safe.
Another Canadian. I don’t know the gun laws well, nor do I shoot, so I judge mostly based on the consequences.
Yes, we have gun violence, but it doesn’t dominate the headlines daily. Homicides are still remarkable and mass shootings are still shocking. I suppose this means that we haven’t made guns too easy to acquire, at least relative to the wishes of our population at large.
I don’t think I need stricter controls, but I wouldn’t support looser controls. I support things as they are, largely speaking. I’m prepared to be schooled by a fellow Canadian more in the know.
What I dearly wish to avoid are the conspiracy fantasies of the government coming to take our guns as well as a retroactive insertion of the myth that our country was born in, by, and through guns. It wasn’t. As long as we avoid those two things well enough, we don’t seem to need urgent change regarding gun controls.
My dad has a gun licence (Canadian) and interestingly, he mentioned there was a place in the application where your spouse (and/or former spouse) must sign off on your application too. I can see how that might hinder a few violent exes.
I used to have a license, they called multiple friends and my employer. The RCMP does a background check and they keep doing it, if anything new pops up they can pay you a visit.
It all felt pretty reasonable to me tbh.
I’ve lived in the UK, Netherlands, Belgium, and Germany.
Europe has gun laws which are of varying severity. AFAIK some places it’s relatively easy to buy a gun, some ban handguns (because they’re concealable), some ban larger stuff, some you’ll need to store your gun at the ammo range, some you’re not allowed to have ammo in the home, varying levels of background and mental health checks too. Some places you’d have a hard time finding a gun, visit Budapest and you’ll come across ads for a day out in a tank + shooting stuff with an AK.
The main thing is that self-defense isn’t really a thing and gun culture is often very low key. Outside (perhaps but not always) the police, mainly hunting and shooting at a club. Most people don’t even care enough about guns, to know what the laws are where they live. Eg. plenty of guns in the UK countryside, but most British people don’t know that because they’re not hunters/farmers/clay pigeon shooters, and often assume they’d be harder to get a hold of than they actually are. Netherlands, Belgium and Germany also have plenty of gun shops, but most people are oblivious, because they don’t really care. Might as well be a fishing shop.
IME gun control isn’t really a political issue most places. Unless there’s been a (exceptionally rare) mass shooting, I honestly don’t think most people even have a fully formed opinion on gun control, so they’ll likely just answer they’re happy with the status quo.
New Zealand. Gun laws are pretty strict, though we have lots of farmers who have guns for defending livestock. You can own guns with a valid reason (e.g. recreational shooting, not self defense) but essentially the only two places they can be is in a locked safe or (being transported to) a gun range.
In addition any and all tools and weapons are illegal to carry for the purpose of self defense (knives, pepper spray, tazers, clubs, screwdrivers, etc.). There’s a crime epidemic here at the moment, corner stores being robbed by people with machetes, jewelry stores ram raided with trucks, but if you dare even carry pepper spray to defend yourself you can be jailed. Don’t bother calling the cops either, they won’t be there until at least half an hour later. Cops don’t care about robberies. We literally once had the dispatcher tell us that no police would be coming. It’s ridiculous.
I wish self defense laws were less crazy here, if someone enters your home or property armed with a weapon you should be able to respond appropriately without fear of going to jail yourself.
@Rossphorus fellow New Zealand here.
If we changed the law and allowed people to buy guns in order to use them on other people, what you would see is every single gang member and wannabe carrying a “self defence” gun by lunchtime.
NZ currently has average gun ownership by OECD standards. Guns are tools not weapons, let’s keep it that way.
I never said anything about changing gun laws.
Sorry, misunderstood your comment about self-defence laws.
The current law is you can defend yourself using appropriate force to stop the threat. You can use whatever you have to hand.
If you don’t want to change gun laws, what would you like to change? Flick knife laws?
For a start it shouldn’t be a crime to merely carry something for self-defense. The current laws say that carrying anything for the express purpose of self-defense is illegal. There’s a bizarre cat and mouse game where the law says ‘its fine to defend yourself’ while simultaneously expressly forbidding you from carrying anything that you might be able to use for self-defense. It puts anyone actually in a life threatening situation at a supreme disadvantage: An attacker is already breaking the law so they’ll be armed to some extent, but under the law the victim is designed to be defenseless. If they do decide to arm themselves against the law and use it to defend themselves they can be prosecuted for carrying a weapon after the fact.
Thanks for the explanation. On one hand I think you have a point, on the other hand I still can’t tell what kinds of weapons you want legalised.
If they do decide to arm themselves against the law and use it to defend themselves they can be prosecuted
But no one ever is unless it’s something egregious. There are even law blogs advising on what to carry.
We’ve had self defence stabbings and even shooting, the victims were not prosecuted. In the case of that guy who stabbed someone to death for tagging his fence, he probably should have been tbh.
I have no strong feelings on which particular weapons should be legal to carry, even if it’s just pepper spray or brass knuckles or something. The main thing is that it should be legal to carry something.
Also, selectively enforced laws are a terrible, HORRIBLE concept and should be avoided at all costs. It gives police and those in power the ability to selectively punish (or pardon) whomever they choose, often at the whims of their personal biases. Passing and exploiting selectively enforced laws is a common tactic used by corrupt nations and can be used to silence political opponents, target selected groups, promote agendas and so forth. The law should not rely on cops ‘being nice’ and choosing not to arrest you.
It gives police and those in power the ability to selectively punish (or pardon) whomever they choose, often at the whims of their personal biases.
That’s a really good point. My lassaiz faire attitude to this is something I need to rethink. It’s a bit like the abortion law thing we had a while ago.
