Hey so I think you’re pretty rad person who’s obviously investing a lot of effort in setting up cool communities and making tools to keep them safe.
I also think you got unfairly dogpiled in a pretty frustrating way.
But further, it seemed to me you were not trying to de-escalate there. I know the hexbear dogpile can be a bit ridiculous (honestly that place confuses me, I see both the absolute sanest and most unhinged posts coming out of hexbear users) but at this point you are definitely feeding the trolls.
I get that this might be fun for you, but it does use up a lot of bandwidth in the community and I worry it harms the quality of conversations we might be able to have in the future.
Once again I want to be clear that this remark comes from a place of respect, you obviously care about fostering online community and hence this last couple of days is confusing to me.
It’s understand the concern. This is just how I deal with this stuff myself. I can absorb a lot off abusive behaviour but I have to blow off some steam somehow, and this is my way.
Unlike what hexbears might say, I’m not trying to goad them. Notice that I never went out of my way to invite their dogpiles.
You kicked the extremist groupthink hornet’s nest by mentioning them. Whenever I give one of them shit, 10 more show up out of the woodwork.
Yeah idk you defs don’t want spaces dominated by the norms of whoever is the most annoying. I’ve wasted far too much time at meetings with certain pot stirrers interjecting with their own little axe at every chance.
I’m just very weary of fostering tribalism and shit slinging in a time when the left is roundly loosing in the majority of the most powerful countries.
Eh the death of the left has been greatly exaggerated. Sure parliamentary left is “losing” but parliamentary left was worse than useless anyway. Spare no tears for that. Struggle breeds radicalization and if you are looking you will see that the embers are already flaming.
Anyway I’m not trying to do tribalism. I could have easily followed the trend and defederated if that was my goal. I actually like the chance to be criticized from the left. I’m not perfect. But I do have some strong convictions as well.
Anyway I’m not trying to do tribalism
That’s literally all I have ever seen from you.
Is that why you’re allowed to comment in my tribal lands with buddies while I am responding alone? Hell of a tribe I have made!
You’re turning no one agreeing with you into aggrievement
Does this gish galloping ever work? Just take everything out of context and erect a strawman from it? I seen it way too often from y’all
“I actually like the chance to be criticized from the left.“
Is this a joke? Every good faith criticism you have received from the left you act as if it is some dog pile attack and like you didn’t invite this debate with your first extremely divisive (and racist) meme. You kept repeating Ad Nauseum that you “didn’t owe anyone a debate” and telling us we’re “sea lioning”. Guess what dipshit? You know what criticism from the left is going to feel like: A DEBATE!
In what way does that behavior demonstrate that you are in any way open to left criticism? I presume you just conveniently omit anyone who you see as a “Tankie” from “the left” you are ok being criticized by.
You are a terminally reddit brained person who colors themself as an Anarchist because you like the aesthetic. You are happy to punch left and carry water for Imperialism because it gives you some individualistic and smug sense of moral correctness. That feeling is obviously more important to you than understanding AES states on their terms and learning from what they did right and what they did wrong without moralizing like the child that you are.
Your convictions are as strong as apple sauce. These two posts have made it abundantly clear to me that without some fucking humility, self Crit, and willingness to engage with other leftists who disagree with you (re: DEBATE) you are the kind of “leftist” who would sell out a successful left wing movement if there ever was one because they were “too authoritarian”
If Hexbear users are so bad do us a favor and de-federate because this is clearly a waste of everyone’s time and energy.
I could have easily followed the trend and defederated if that was my goal.
This is very awesome of you I must say. I was hoping some real friendship from both sides could happen here.
Huh?
What?
I don’t see how you see friendships forming
I’m not trying to goad them. Notice that I never went out of my way to invite their dogpiles.
My sweet little pain piggy, you keep letting out clarion calls that summons all the silly bears out of every nook and cranny of the lemmynet
Cmon Y’all are adults (at least, I hope)
If you behave like a smart alek kid, expect to be scolded like one.
I’ll always enjoy seeing smuglords being patronizing in public.
Should stop staring at your mirror in public then, you might step in an open manhole like a loony toons character
Shut up
Holy shit! 2 “I’m rubber, you’re glue” replies to the same comment . That must be some form of achievement.
We are explicitly a left unity community and Your first (racist) meme was explicitly against left unity and you literally included our logo in this one. If that isn’t goading us what would be in your eyes?
Unlike what hexbears might say, I’m not trying to goad them.
You literally put the hexbear logo in the whiny little meme you’ve posted here.
You’re not fooling anyone with your reddit-tier bs lmao
I think if I get called redditor once I more I might legit be moved
l o l
I appreciate your effort to be diplomatic
I’m not sure if you’re aware but db0 has been working on CSAM filtering, safe federation lists and similar.
Maybe cut them some slack? That’s certainly more work than I put in.
They can be praised and thanked for their actions in one instance and criticized for their actions in other instances.
I didn’t remember, though if this is the AI guy then I did read the post. I still need to question the deeply antisocial behavior patterns when it comes to anything having to do with communication, though.
Not that we shouldn’t give them credit for whatever good they do, we should.
I think you’re being a bit hyperbolic generalising deeply antisocial communication habits from a stupid flame war.
I mean how many dozens of times does a behavior need to be demonstrated before we can call ot a pattern?
I think it would be more useful if you read the rest of the thread than I rehash my thoughts
Even just a ballpark number would be nice.
When someone is posting enough to be nearly half the flame war, including resurrecting it in a new thread because they just need the attention ig, it provides a pretty large data set.
Is it hyperbolic when the flame war was of their making and has been stoked and perpetuated by that same user posting more and more about it ever since?
Yes it is. Being teased in a comment section is one of the mildest things that can happen to you online.
Deeply antisocial is language that applies to stuff like the extremely normal rape and death threats, dick pics, and harassment that happens all the time.
It’s not like they’re pming you, just view a different page.
Yes it is. Being teased in a comment section is one of the mildest things that can happen to you online.
And that is why you’re siding with the person that made this entire thread (and the prior thread it refers to) because of reasons totally not like “being teased in a comment section.”
It’s not like they’re pming you, just view a different page
Unlike the poster you’re championing, who needs to heroically continue the crybully crusade.
Being teased in a comment section is one of the mildest things that can happen to you online.
You’ve got another person here saying it is one step down from violence. Does it depend on the sect of the person doing it?
at this point you are definitely feeding the trolls
OP is the troll
New copypasta
Least suspicious mysterious stranger stanning very hard for a smol bean poster in a way that doesn’t seem like Scott Adams pretending to be his own feeemale fan to praise himself.
I think that’s a stretch, seems to be a person that recognises a situation that is escalating and doesn’t want it to, so they’re using extremely diplomatic language in order to try to get through without being lumped into the “my enemies” crowd by db0.
Which is a good thing. This whole thing is stupid and it stopping would be good and healthier for everyone.
I’d be more inclined to agree with you if they didn’t already do a grandiose and hypocritical “you must be unwell, touch grass touch grass touch grass” rage post at me a little bit before now. The “diplomatic” thing seems very selectively delivered here.
Them being diplomatic in one case doesn’t mean any real pretense of impartiality. I don’t like really anyone on that instance, but I would consider this to be not it.
The “impartial” seemed more like fawning praise, presumably because of some software that the shitposter contributed.
I never subscribed to the “tortured genius” theory of celebrities, and I also don’t subscribe to cruder versions like “people get a pass to be assholes if they produce treats.”
Fair
Are we finally getting the hexbear defederatiom that I’ve wanted for so long?
Hopefully, especially since the instance blocking promised in lemmy 0.19 will not filter out users from said instance. Also the fact that none of Lemmy’s blocking systems (except bans and defederation) prevent malicious users from interaction with the blocking user, which is a problem because for users who were blocked for harassing the user they can continue harassing just without the other person seeing, may not sound like a problem but if they are spreading misinformation or encouraging other people to harass the person then it is a problem.
Please? They’re almost worse than lemmygrad.
Why?
Just look at how they brigaded this thread. They seek out critics and dogpile them.
I mean, people who have never read something in their lives making fun of them based on propaganda from decades ago (Communism bad) and treating them in a very poorly.
I would like to see real discussion instead of offensive memes.
Calling out the
emoji doesn’t diminish what a you are.This was what you posted https://i.imgur.com/RDl2sOZ.png
That was the version revised to be less racist, not the initial post
I’m at least pleasantly surprised they actually tried to do the bare minimum of editing it to be less racist.
Credit where it’s due and all that
You’re pathetic
Why you gotta post just to be rude?
You asking OP?
It goes for both really lol this whole conversation I think is not necessarily productive
This isn’t a both sides situation. You have OP blatantly trolling and the people he’s trolling telling OP to eat shit.
Telling someone to eat shit isn’t nice or productive, but assholes like OP don’t respond to civility or trying to engage them on substance.
I can’t think of a better reason to post tbh
Average hexbear user
you’re right, I should not have been rude. I should’ve been more mean. considering db0 was accusing others of gaslighting and being a general asshole, fuck db0 and fuck civility.
yep that’s me! and you to. I was told later on there was a ping, but it was edited out, and for everyone else on hexbear, no ping showed up. and in your instance the ping still showed up unedited. since for whatever reason, instances don’t always update or stay consistent all around or something. federations are weird but it could’ve been chalked up to weird federation stuff since no one was gaslighting anyone.
but hey, feel free to say im gaslighting you again. for someone who likes to casually accuse everyone of gaslighting, I really doubt you give a shit. since your first thing to do was to accuse others of gaslighting, when no one was.
I still stand by everything I said. Especially because you were hostile as fuck to someone else. also I don’t like you because whether intentionally or not, you help fascists, imperialists and capitalists, with your whole “tankies” bad bullshit. Besides always funny when people shit on “tankies” when “tankies” are some of the most nicest people out there. of course you won’t see that, and maybe there a reason for that.
but hey, it was “tankies” that were here for me when my mom died. or here for me when I am having trouble with stuff like eating, staying hydrated or dealing with family issues. also like, going to the world at large, those “evil tankie authoritarian countries” are the most progressive places on earth. Like Cuba has the most progressive lgbtq+ rights out there. Meanwhile in the U.S, america trying to erase trans people like me.
also like, there have been people that have engaged you politely.
In the interest of accuracy, while there may have been a federation bug making edited comments update slowly, the ping wasn’t edited away until after @[email protected] responded to it the first time.
your first thing to do was to accuse others of gaslighting, when no one was.
I was gaslit 3 times in that thread alone I linked to right now. And there was a hundred-comment pileup on my instance as well.
So You ignorantly stick your nose in something you half-ass, You call me a harasser even though you see I was responding to something, and then get all huffy when I fire back at you? And I’m the asshole? Get a grip.
Fact is, from my perspective, I was being gaslit. The onus is not on the victim to delve into the personal history and technical knowledge of the other party to ensure they didn’t gaslit unintentionally.
Meanwhile in the U.S, america trying to erase trans people like me.
How does China feel about homosexuality again?
but hey, it was “tankies” that were here for me when my mom died. or here for me when I am having trouble with stuff like eating, staying hydrated or dealing with family issues. also like, going to the world at large, those “evil tankie authoritarian countries” are the most progressive places on earth. Like Cuba has the most progressive lgbtq+ rights out there. Meanwhile in the U.S, america trying to erase trans people like me.
I’d love to see you all caring about as much for the trauma of the people you’re dunking on before you do it, but I guess flagging dissent as “liberals” or “wreckers” is convenient to dehumanize them so that anything goes from that point.
Some people simply cannot handle being told they’re wrong
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Is anyone gonna explain “tankie”? I’ve got a kind of mental image but I’m certain imagery doesn’t really align from person to person.
It gets misused a lot, but basically any socialist that supports authoritarian systems, or at least is on the “every criticism of the USSR is psyop” end of things.
So if they’re simping for Stalin, probably a tankie.
Hardcore Marxist-Leninists. The type that says “Stalin did nothing wrong”
Was Marx about authoritarian government?
Funny you should ask, Bakunin had a lot of arguments with Marx about this subject. I suggest you check those out.
Supporters of the Authoritarian left, those who want a dictatorship.
does the work of the feds by intentionally seeding distrust between leftists
gets called a fed by leftists
“time to fill my diaper about it!”
The fact that you numbskulls don’t even realize how significant fedjacketing is and why we don’t do it, just says everything one needs to know.
it’s not fedjacketing to say you are being their good little dog with this childish bullshit. i don’t think you’re being paid. i think you’re a goofy asshole who needs to leave their bedroom
I think you need to leave my bedroom first!
Keep fighting bro one day you’ll win this forsure
Tankies would never hurt a leftist. Everyone they attack is actually a lib. Or so I’ve heard
Yes, of course they’re the only real leftists and if you disagree you’re a libnazi.
Aren’t we not “real” leftists either? This isn’t a very impressive burn
Woah, careful, only libs call tankies “not ‘real’ leftists”
You’re just deflecting
Oh sorry. Ahem. No, I don’t want to answer a lib’s questions. Just to be safe, nothing personal.
Even OP has gotten over doing this routine. Are you really content with an ideology that can only produce “no u”?
It takes two to tango ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I tried and tried to actually talk, even in the face of the screaming about “tankies” killing people they didn’t kill and so on, but that didn’t exactly get me anywhere
only libs call tankies "not ‘real’ leftists
Correct.
Thanks for the post. These bring out the active hexbears and make them easy to block.
But you’re good with Lemmy, why not build a tool that parses their user list and then adds them all to one’s personal Blocklist? That would be far more effective and I’m sure more than a few people would appreciate it.
I mean, if I was to do that, I could just defederate them
You could, but that doesn’t help on other instances. Blocking them at the personal Blocklist level silences them everywhere.
Also a tool let’s people choose if they want to use it or not. Defederation is a choice made for them.
Just shower thoughts (literally).
Don’t know why you’re federated with them in the first place given that their existence is anathema to this instance and the rules you created.
You should anything else would just leave the door open for all these awful Sea lions
I am an anarchist, I mostly agree with your points on left unity but I am glad this instance is federated with hexbear. There is a strong distinction between commies and anarchists historically but I’m not sure if it is as relevant today, and the capitalist forces have developed to such a point that I really feel there isn’t much room for division between socialist groups. But of course you gotta watch out for authoritarian tendencies. Whether or not we should be united it’s good to remain in communication, I think the discourse helps members of both groups find what works for them personally.
Just defederate then if we’re so bad you fucking dork
Gotta love being federated to Hexbear while having a rule saying “No Tankie Shit”.
the more we’re defederated, the less we’re able to defend ourselves when a meme like this gets blasted across the fediverse.
This type of pissing and moaning about a post is pathetic
Sounds like they unified against you fairly well.
That they did.
I’ve only experienced that from them since I’ve known them. Not one wants a good faith discussion until you grovel to their fundamentalist tripe. Unity to them means blindly following their half-understood theories of centuries-dead men, and anyone who questions a lick of it gets the 4chan swarm treatment.
what part of db0’s crosspost was calling for good faith discussion? Did you look at it? https://lemmy.ml/comment/5783449
I didn’t. Pretty based tho, ngl. Did you cry about it?
Don’t be mad db0 sank to your level. Get dunked on or whatever
OP literally did not attempt to have any discussion of any kind, and explicitly said they had no interest in doing so
that’s the definition of “not in good faith” homie
Yeah it’s almost like OP uno reversed
Can’t exactly have a good faith argument if the post gets brigaded.
This isn’t fucking reddit, “brigading” is not a real thing.
No, good faith argument is being a debatelord, as was explained to me at length in the last post. People who just happen to see the post and respond are all brigading if they come from an instance that has a cross-post. Them’s the rules.
Don’t bullshit me that there is a proper way to argue with that fucker, he demonstrated at length that there was not.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a sealion so mad before.
Strawman
I’ve never seen an Inco DeNiro Factsum Glish Galoop Slish Slosh No True Strawman Fallacy used so blantantly
-Le Epic Redditeur
Fuck off, all you can do is call names and be smug, there is no point talking to you
Why can’t an OP have a good faith argument if the post gets “brigaded”? That doesn’t really make sense to me. Anyone can choose to argue in good faith regardless of how the other party behaves.
Well for several reasons.
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You have to find someone who actually wants to have a good faith argument with you.
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You have to be disciplined enough to only argue with them, as you will expend energy arguing with the 500 other commenters who are just trolling you.
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Actually be able to go through your inbox and find the replies of the person you think is actually acting in good faith.
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Be in the mood to argue in good faith. Which is unlikely from the begining, basically impossible at the end.
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Can’t have a good faith argument with people we have no faith in. Eat shit
Obviously.
Faith is earned, OP tipped the scale against themselves real fast.
You’re a dweeb and should quit posting.
When they don’t have a counterargument, they attack your character. It shows just how strong their foundation of understanding is that a simple debate or differing viewpoint is a dire threat to their entire worldview. It’s extremely pathetic tbh.
I think they just observed that you generally ignored the counterarguments and correctly concluded that presenting yet another to you is absurd, but of course you pick that as the comment you respond to
Also calling someone a dweeb isn’t a character attack, like calling them a moron isn’t.
I’d fucking love to talk with someone here on terms of argument and counterargument, but that is considered “sealioning” by every fucker I’ve encountered so far on this worthless anarcho-bidenist instance
Any form of name-calling or declaration in regards to the individual and not the subject of debate is an appeal to character, and is the last resort of those who can’t support their claim, second to violence.
If I have “ignored” responses, it is because my app has not notified me that I have a response to a comment. To my knowledge, I have responded in-kind to every comment regarding this post, and even if I hadn’t, one cannot be compelled to respond to every argument or point. It is entirely reasonable for me, on my own judgement, to deem a reply to be a waste of time or nothing worth adding to or drawing attention toward.
Lastly, if you would like to make a claim and prove good faith, please do so here or in DMs. I would love to discuss philosophy and ethics. But let’s do so in our own words. Quoting Manifestos will be just as effective to a productive discussion as quoting religious scripture. Convince me. Don’t beat me with a dead man’s words.
Thanks for single handily crashing the housing market by allowing millions of hexbear users to live rent free in your head.
“Millions” 😂
