I’ve seen it ubder recent Rossmann’s video
Rossman is goated as fuck.
Surprisingly astute point.
If I steal your bicycle
you have to take the bus,
but if I just copy it
there’s one for each of us!But the creator can’t afford a bike now that you copied instead of buying. So kinda bad analogy.
I pirate because it’s more convenience than having 10+ separate streaming apps, but I also don’t pretend that the monetary losses from piracy don’t trickle down.
I just don’t care. Offer me a good service please, and I’ll pay.
You can support creative people directly. Acting like the money paid to Netflix is trickling down to them is laughable.
It does. The streaming services won’t order more seasons etc if ratings are shit. That new season is lots of money for the people working, from set hands to camera men, writers etc.
That said, I’ve not subscribed to any service since 2013 because none works like, say, Spotify.
Netflix, in particular, won’t order more seasons if the show didn’t get them more users. They don’t care about popularity itself. The shows are supposed to get more people to subscribe. Which is stupid. I’ve honestly never heard of anyone subbing to Netflix for one show.
Exactly what I’m talking about, but some people don’t realize the thing that if everyone pirates, the services stop spending money.
But it’s their responsibility to make the service enticing
Streaming services notoriously won’t order more seasons of shows that are popular, either. More seasons are more expensive than new shows.
Sometimes it’s really hard to do that though. Like, with most Japanese animation studios you can only buy cels from their site, it’s often all in Japanese and some studios don’t even have that.
Between marketing, producers, distribution and everything it’s become pretty damn hard to actually give the money to who you want.
im a bicycle store owner and this is so true
I like to think this implies that people are coming into your store and cloning the bicycles
You wouldn’t download a bicycle would you?
I absolutely would.
Call me Missingno. Cuz I would have 99 of them shits
It’s probably possible nowadays!
No, but I would steal a car (and then trade it for a bicycle) (I can’t drive lmao)
And if I do neither, I have to take the bus
So it’s all yet another conspiracy by big bus
Normal busses are pretty big, so big bus must be very big
Is that the Universal Serial Bus?
No actually, that one’s quite small
How small are we talking? Mini? Micro?
Artists have rights over their work, and no amount of whataboutisms will change that.
HOLY SHIT DUDE GOOD POINT GUESS WE SHOULD DELETE THE WHOLE FUCKING COMMUNITY
What exact rights though? A right to sell pixels or a right to burn a painting after someone bought it?
Unfortunately they sign over most of those rights to their preferred publisher.
There are always indie platforms they can publish to though
What is renting?
Can I get Bullshit answers for $1,000 Alex
Renting is what buying is for corporations today.
God damn right!
…I mean… PIRACY IS WRONG AND IMORRAL!
stealing from billionaires is bad! How are they supposed to afford their giant mansions and gold Hummers if we pirate things?!
Edit: I just don’t have the attention span to read all that.
I don’t agree with some of that stuff.
I think if you buy something it should be yours forever.
And if you want someone to work for you, you need to pay them…and you need to pay them more than enough to live. I’d say the minimum wage needs to be double what a living wage would be.
I don’t agree with some of that stuff.
How do you know before you read the entire argument? 🤔
I don’t agree with some of that stuff.
How do you know before you read the entire argument?
By reading some of it, I suppose.
read the linked text if you are interested in debating me 😁😂🤣😅 I am not gonna make the same argument but worse than proudhon if you don’t care or have time or attention span for that but then you probably shouldn’t say it’s bullshit without knowing what you are talking about 😘
It’s something about how working for a shitty wage that can’t allow you to afford a life is bad, right? How it’s basically the same thing as slavery?
But then it goes into how property, just having property at all is somehow theft? That’s where I disagree. People need to be able to own things and have things that only they can control. You can’t and shouldn’t be allowed to do whatever you want with other people’s things.
People should always have autonomy over their own lives and their own property. And people should be given a UBI equivalent to a living wage and the minimum wage needs to be double what a living wage would be on top of benefits
No. The first argument is that the author can equate slavery to murder without being misunderstood. They then expound further on that meaning. They say nothing about wages.
The second argument says that in contrast one cannot equate property to robbery without being grossly misunderstood, which you have so eloquently demonstrated.
Okay, well. I don’t have the attention span to read all that. And I can’t tell if there’s any subtext in what you said.
A line break or paragraphs or literally any formatting at all would have helped. I suspect it’s an artifact of how the full quote was done as the link, though.
No, it is from a 19th century socialist, this sort of language isn’t easily understood by most people in the modern day. And to act like it should be so insightful to them is sophistry.
I’m not taking offense that they didn’t understand the argument. I’m taking offense that they openly admitted to not reading it, and then attempting to summarize what it said, poorly. If that’s sophistry, so be it. They’re being willfully ignorant.
Terms of Service would like to speak with you.
ToC wielding guns we just wanna talk!
oh… his got the point
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It’s called a hook, but yes it is pointy.
If I steal food from the store, I’m both robbing the store, and a community that would have paid good money for that food.
If I go to the store and magically have the items on the shelves be duplicated into my cart, and I don’t have to pay for them. That is not a crime that is a miracle
Exactly true, and as applied to patents: if I steal your fish you go hungry, if I watch how you fish and do the same we both eat.
Consider this. (big chain) Stores already steal from the community via profits they make.
And while we’re on about food, look at how much the grocery stores toss out.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Theft is theft.
No, but three lefts make a right!
You are goddamn right!
Didn’t ask for your meaningless sayings that do not apply to real life
bruh
Meh, piracy wouldn’t equal stealing even if buying did mean owning. Piracy is duplicating without removing the original and doesn’t take away any existing thing from the current owner. I count potential sells as a hypothetical thing that doesn’t currently exist. Therefore, piracy is nothing even close to stealing.
Idk if it’s just me but that image isn’t showing.
Shows for me. It’s a 2-second gif. Have you tried on the web?
On the Firefox instance I’m running now, it doesn’t show inline in this page. But opening the context menu and “open video in new tab” works.
I see app user
Exposed
In case you or anyone else is curious, it’s a reaction gif of Will Ferrell as Ron Burgundy from Anchorman saying, “I can’t argue with any of those points.”
Because it’s webm and that shit can blow me.
WeBM.
Yes, yes. Everybody Poops.
It’s just a reaction gif (in webm format, which is probably why it’s not showing for us)
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I mean, it’s not
It’s piracy, a different crime
A crime I love committing babyyyyyyyyyy
We here at Futurama do not condone the cool crime of burglary.
Yeah, when you steal something from someone then he does not have it anymore. With indefinitely replicable virtual goods that is not the case.
They have to recoup and make roi on their r&d
… therefore we need to build and violently enforce a legal regime to ensure that content profiteers can extract 100% profit from every transaction?
I don’t make the rules. Blame shareholder fiduciary responsibilities or the spineless politicians. Corporations are gonna corporate
By that logic you can’t blame the politicians because they got bribed, and you can’t blame the citizens because of corporate propaganda and voila! No one has moral responsibility for anything
Politicians’ fiduciaries are their constituents though, so they are the failure there though if they allow corporations to get away with long term harm
I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for some abstract shame or morality to guide politicians’ actions when all the systemic incentives point in the other direction
“Property is theft!” ~ EA
“Fuck EA” ~ Me
‘I wonder who this ship belongs to anyway,’ said Arthur.
‘Me,’ said Zaphod.
‘No. Who it really belongs to.’
‘Really me,’ insisted Zaphod. ‘Look, property is theft, right? Therefore theft is property. Therefore this ship is mine, okay?’
The thing I love about zephod is that he was basically the “it was me. I did it like this.” Meme before the Heavy is Dead video came out.
Just a few days ago I was re-reading the Restaurant at the end of the universe, and was going to try and look up this quote before reading the comments. I’ve really got to get around to reading the rest of the books by Douglas Adams, as I loved his hitchhiker’s guide to the Galaxy series.
Your ship is cool and all, but I’ve trained Cruise Missiles V, so fuck your ship :D
If I were asked to answer the following question: What is slavery? and I should answer in one word, It is murder!, my meaning would be understood at once. No extended argument would be required to show that the power to remove a man’s mind, will, and personality, is the power of life and death, and that it makes a man a slave. It is murder. Why, then, to this other question: What is property? may I not likewise answer, It is robbery!, without the certainty of being misunderstood; the second proposition being no other than a transformation of the first?
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, What Is Property?
It’s not piracy it’s reclamation
Solid point, me hearty!
Arrrr!