I know we pretty much all hated spez for all the shit he pulled, but a few weeks ago the tone towards reddit itself around here was more neutral. People liked it here on Lemmy a lot better, but people weren’t hating on the old place so much.
Recently I’m seeing this huuuuuuuge surge of just pure fucking hatred leveled at the site itself. Anyone else notice this or is it just me?
I mean, I was there because I thought it was alright. I hated spez for fucking it up and completely screwing his communities over. But I never hated reddit itself, and I still don’t. Otherwise I would’ve left a lot sooner.
Do you personally hate reddit? If so, why?
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You know, I’ve seen worse than hate here. I’ve seen apathy.
Eh. I think hate is a downgrade from apathy. Hate turns you into something worse than what you hated, eventually. It’s just a poison, and outside of physical violence it serves little purpose. It just clouds the mind of the holder.
Determination does not require it anyway.
Hate is a strong word, but I don’t like the power that comes with an extremely centralized internet. I also don’t like the ad driven internet. So Reddit as a website is no good in my opinion.
I picked it intentionally, hoping some people feeling some actual powerful emotions might try to explain why. Regardless of what I think of it intellectually, I don’t experience strong emotions towards it. I don’t miss it, I don’t hate it, my emotions towards it are very neutral.
I’m curious about others though. Emotionally, not intellectually.
Almost the same thing happened on Reddit when everyone migrated from Digg. It’s so similar, in fact, that I wonder if maybe this isn’t a normal thing.
I never used Digg, so I never got to see. That makes sense that it might be a pattern of some sort though.
I suspect it’s more users migrating over to here. I am coming here more than on Reddit now because of Reddits actions. Just trying to get used to Lemmy. The vibes are friendlier here, that’s for sure. I imagine that won’t last once even more Redditors come this way.
Censorship, closed down subs, powertrip mods.
Try to appeal a sub ban from your alt account? That’s a paddling.
A few of you keep saying “censorship” yet none of you provide evidence other than “I got banned.”
My experience with reddit is that users have always hated reddit, 13 years ago it was the same thing. We all bashed reddit constantly. My experience was that we only used reddit because there was nothing better.
I hated it, I only just barely put up with the toxic community so I could still visit my favorite subs only (I used apollo so I could ignore the garbage that’d be recommended to us constantly). I used the app-pocalypse as an excuse to leave. Now I only lurk there for the ooh-la-la subs, but as more and more creators there have lately been moving to lemmynsfw I might not even need those subs for much longer.
Hello, Apollo user. Have you tried wefef.app?
Yes, it’s great. I’d also recommend Memmy since it shows downvotes and upvotes separately instead of net score (which lemmy does, idk about the other reddit-like federated sites) to discourage circlejerking
Reddit can’t be divorced from the leadership. If you hate the direction leadership is taking Reddit, how can you still like Reddit itself? What is it apart from that?
This argument makes more sense to me with Lemmy. Yes, if you hate the direction one instance admin is taking their Lemmy instance, it doesn’t make sense to hate Lemmy as a whole… but Reddit has only one “instance,” so if you hate the “admin,” you hate Reddit.
Yeah, I started picking up on this. I draw a clear distinction between people that make decisions, and the tools they use to bring those decisions to fruition. To me, reddit is an inanimate thing, and hating it is no different than hating a rock or tree. I do understand now that I am not necessarily normal in this, though.
Thanks for the response.
Having been there since the pre-Digg days, I simply hate what they’re doing with the place. It hurts to see something you’ve enjoyed and contributed to over the past 20 years become the antithesis of the free and open internet it once represented. Every change they made to the site since they tried to migrate off the old.reddit.com interface has been a negative one for the users. The sudden acceleration of those kind of changes has made the site both unreadable (content is beyond stale now) and worthless to participate in.
I think for me, this disappointment turned to real visceral antipathy when I saw this page - it looks like something the CCP would design for kindergartners. It’s not a place I want to be a part of at all, and I don’t want my past contributions to fuel it.
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that they repeat the word “community” like every fourth word all the way through that insipid swill. It’s definitely not a pathetically transparent attempt to retroactively stake a claim on the term that lemmy - the Reddit to their Digg - uses for its subforums.
People on reddit have been referring to the people in their subs as a “community” forever. It’s definitely not that deep. They don’t even know or care what Lemmy names anything.
Like I said, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that they repeat the word “community” at least 30 times on that page.
Oh, and this bit too, that I just noticed when I was counting "commumity"s:
Communities are the lifeblood of the Internet. But on today’s Internet, they are not in charge of their own destiny. Instead, they are controlled by the large platforms that hold all the power online. It is time for a change.
Community Points are the first step towards a different future for online communities.
That’s definitely just a coincidence and has nothing at all to do with trying to compete against the fediverse, which they definitely don’t even pay any attention to.
Yup.
I just told you why they use the word community though? A community is a group of people in the same place. Subreddits have been referred to by the people in them as a community for years. People on Discord talk about their “community” on their servers. People on Xbox Live are a “community”.
It literally has nothing to do with Lemmy. Reddit aren’t threatened by Lemmy. Look how the protests went - they all flickered out and died with a whimper. Reddit is business as usual. Pretty much every sub is back to normal as if nothing ever happened because nothing basically did happen.
Pretty much every sub is not even close to back to normal. I still check in from time to time over there. It’s very noticeable that a particular segment of the popular subs is now completely gone.
The video game and shitpost subs. Those are unchanged. The rest is very different.
That is also very helpful, thank you. I can see that pissing people off.
I loved Reddit until I realized they were just going to do whatever they wanted and the community, apart from creating free content and work, didn’t matter. But the lying about discussions with the app creator was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Suddenly they weren’t just a bully, but they were a proven lying, dishonest bully. Everything that they say going forward will be suspect, so I decided to walk away. Who knows what they’re doing with my data/content. I know what they’re telling me. I don’t know what’s true.
I deleted most of my posts from my nearly 14-year history except for a handful that I think need to stay up and a couple of others that I’m testing something on. I log in every once in a while to leave any groups that might have unlocked since I was last there and delete those posts too.
I don’t hate them. But they’ve lost my trust, and I don’t see any way to regain it.
There could have been other, better solutions. The biggest problem right now is that the only tool in Steve Huffman’s toolbox is a hammer.
More like a bent tire iron he borrowed from Elon. A hammer would be quick and efficient at least, two things which he is not.
For me, it’s the strictly enforced lack of ideological diversity. Anything other than the mainstream far left ideology is immediately censored. It’s a stupid echo chamber
@activator90 Is it “mainstream” or is it “far left?”
far left, mainstream, in this world with desantis and rampant transphobia?
or are you just mad you can’t drop slurs and talk about hating minorities?
seems pretty obvious
Since threads and some instances not giving a strong stance on whether they will block them my hate has shifted to Meta. They are the bigger fish now.
Also, new people are still coming in. I’m not in the loop on new drama anymore like awards that were mentioned or whatever. Going to guess people coming now are fresh on their hate like people before the api deadline were.
I remember being introduced to reddit years ago. It was still new and unknown, there was in-jokes and cringey bacon narwhal shit I don’t even quite remember. It was fun, it was cringe, it wasn’t doomscrolling it was genuine engagement and I really enjoyed it.
Then the longer I spent on it the more hostile it became. Almost every comment thread is full of contrarians looking to argue with you just to get more upvotes and
edit: omg thx 4 awards!!11!bullshit, bots “correcting” people’s spelling and telling you how many consonants are in reverse alphabetical order in your username omg so cute! it just became regular, boring old social media.Then the leadership bullshit kept just getting worse and worse and worse, every time you hear anything about what reddit (as a company) does it’s just more and more hostile to users. The API/app changes and the way it was handled was the last straw. Users don’t hate reddit, reddit hates it’s users, the company has shown nothing but contempt for the users and unpaid moderators for years and I’m just sick of it and that long term animosity coupled with the last set of changes? Yeah, fuck reddit.
I’ve never understood why people hate other people editing their posts with thank yous. What was the big problem with that?
The
edit: omg thank you for awards/upvotescomments just feel like such a self-congratulatory circlejerk, as if the point of the post was to “win” at reddit by getting the most points. The “meta” around reddit itself became less of a discussion and more a game to play to get the most points.To be clear, I don’t directly hate the “thank you” post edits, I dislike that they’re a symptom of the “meta” of reddit becoming less around the links it aggregates and more around itself, maybe?
I always interpreted it more as surprise than anything else. The vast majority of the content you make, over 99%, gets minimal reaction. So when something blows up, it’s very surprising and unusual. Shocking, even.
These people responding to that feeling in some way is natural.
I have disliked the direction of reddit ever since they made the new interface and removed css rules from subs. It was the first time, of many, that I saw reddit take something from the community and screw it up, all just to make the website more boring. It was especially annoying in that it removed text flairs from support and marketplace subs and forced people to come up with external systems.
They did it more often. Things like Reddit Gold were not first made by reddit, did you know? The whole API thing is just the concrete slab that pulverized the camel all the way to hell. Of all the things they took or took away, taking away the app I was using since years before they even made one was just too much. I can go from passively disliking them to actively hating them.
Plus, what ideas did they actually have that was original or good? “Hey guys, we stole Facebook’s chat”. “Hey guys, we added crypto”. The community makes bots that mediate debates, convert video format or do reminders, meanwhile reddit busies itself by ruining the Relevant option on its already bad search and then fucks off while stating “eh, you fucking degenerate nerds use site:reddit.com anyways”
reddit’s whole api used to be open and any user could run scripts with a bit of php. it was incredibly fun and interesting.
Wasn’t one of the now deceased founders the creator of RSS and a heavy advocate of open internet?
R.I.P. Aaron Swartz
Mine mostly comes from how they treated Christian, the developer of the Apollo app. Ridiculous.
Also remember their behavior towards Aaron Swartz
