hey so this might come as a surprise to some guys but actually most of the time women put effort into their appearance for themselves, so they feel confident, and comfortable in their bodies.
this post is reeking of Jordan Peterson’s women wear makeup because they want to fuck me energy
I’m a woman. We don’t do it for ourselves, we do it so outward society as a whole doesn’t call us “tired” all day. If I thought I could go into work with no makeup and not get looks or comments, I would.
And while I have my disagreement from Peterson, you’ve completely missed the point to what he said. Makeup emulates the changes a face goes through when aroused. It is tied to attraction, which is tied to sex. It’s not a difficult concept to grasp.
I personally do it for both extrinsic and intrinsic reasons. I feel very cute with eyeshadow and mascara. Unfortunately i needed a second attempt at puberty so i also need makeup to ensure that no one gives me a hard time for my beard shadow. Including myself.
i just stopped wearing any makeup except lipstick and sunscreen when covid happened. i really thought about wearing it when i got my current job and decided that, if i started, i would be creating an “expectation.” i didn’t want to deal with “you look tired” on days i didn’t bother, or feel like i had to whether i wanted to mess with it or not.
now i wear makeup for fancy dress and that’s it.
but respect for people who do wear it often! i admire how nice it looks on my coworker who clearly puts time and effort into a really beautiful makeup.
You cannot not communicate, the societal notion as to which is “good looks” for women is strongly sexualized and children are exposed to these notions from an early age. Also the subtle or less subtle social pressure plays a big role in it. A friend of mine moved from a “posh” city to mine. She said she didn’t dare going out without putting on makeup for two hours because she would get bad looks in the street otherwise and it took her a long time to unlearn that.
So while it isn’t women wearing make up because they want to fuck, the social construction that makes them feel less confident and less comfortable without make up is revolving around that and it is part of the problem. It is not that women just feel more confident with make up. It is that they feel less confident without it, because they are pressured to feel so.
Sure, but that doesn’t explain things like elaborately decorated nails. Women aren’t doing that to attract men. They’re doing it because they like the way it looks and they feel like it’s a way of expressing themselves.
Two things can be true. Makeup can be a healthy form of self-expression for people who use it AND a brick in the overall wall that is gendered oppression.
I wish we could just make makeup illegal. It’s bad for humans, it’s bad for the animals we test it on, it’s probably bad for the environment, it’s expensive, and takes a lot of time every day to apply. And as far I’m concerned it doesn’t even obtain the ostensible goal of making people more attractive. It fills no function other than to feed insecurity and fill the pockets of shareholders.
Even some men wear makeup. Every actor wears makeup. It’s been a part of human art for millenia, and only recently has developed into daily sexist expectations.
I’d be very careful about banning anything that lets people express themselves, even if most people are doing it in a way I don’t like. The external costs (pollution, animals) can be addressed with pigouvian taxes not specific to these products.
Sure, I realize it’s not realistic. Maybe we could at least change the attitude people have towards it, from “you need it to be accepted as a human being” to “it’s weird, but if you think it’s fun go for it”.
And because long nails have historically been a status symbol. People who do physical labor can’t usually have nice long nails.
Or if her lips were shaped like balloons
The comments section is a shit show here lmao. I’m having a great time. Keep going everyone.
And yet men go for the women with long eyelashes. Just because men aren’t aware of it doesn’t mean the women’s moves don’t work.
But even if they didn’t, imagine this: Women can change the way they look entirely without wanting to look hotter for men. Shocking, I know.
There’s people out there attracted to literal human excrement, so you think that’s also a reasonable thing to wear on your face? Just because some idiots are attracted to that stuff doesn’t make it inherently attractive.
I don’t believe I made any comment about what’s “inherently attractive” or “reasonable” to “wear on your face”. What’s with the loaded question?
yet men go for the women with long eyelashes
Implication of status and reasonability.
Just because men aren’t aware of it doesn’t mean the women’s moves don’t work.
Supposition of validity and established status.
Women can change the way they look
Implication of fashion, which includes makeup, which is worn on face.
If you’re going to blatantly lie, do it in a setting where you won’t get called out for being a filthy liar.
If I say “the sun rises in the morning”, is that also an “implication of status and reasonability”? Do explain how a neutral statement implies “status and reasonability”. Go ahead!
Also explain what an “implication of fashion” is, in detail, please. Women are, in fact, able to change the way they look, I’d be surprised if that’s news to you. This fact is entirely unrelated to fashion.
You also failed to show how I said anything about something being “inherently attractive”. Try to keep up with your own accusations, please.
If you’re going to postulate your twisted interpretation means another person lied, do it in a way that at least pretends to refer to what has been said.
Or: … if her nails were longer.
Irrelevant. It’s for the aesthetic. Some girls like doing hair, others makeup/lashes etc, others fashion. All are expressions of self beauty, not particularly for someone else imo. But this is shitpost so….
Yeah. As a woman who hates makeup, I find eyelashes a burden. If you put too much eyelash glue on, it looks fake, and if its too little, it looks fake.
What if it isn’t for you (assuming you are a guy), tho?
Do girls find long eyelashes hot?
Probably some do.
But it is really more about how the woman wants to look. The lashes are probably for herself.
am girl who likes girls. i fuckin LOVE fake eyelashes on other girls and myself
i can appreciate them on both an aesthetic level as well as a technical level cuz like these shits ain’t easy to put on and keep on and have them not look fuckin jank
Oh yeah? If you’re a girl, name all of them!
Whitney Houston
Hypatia
Börte
Peaches
Evelyn Guerrero
and some othersthere, done
Shit. I completely forgot girls don’t exist, especially on the internet…! :]
I am sorry for sharing this opinion, but finding something attractive because it is hard to put sounds similar to asian tradition of breaking little girl’s feet to make it small so they would look more “attractive”.
And while putting fake eyelashes doesn’t seem to hurt anyone, enjoying such thing does seem wrong to me. It is just another fake ritual of mating dance made by fashion industry. Do you really consider yourself no good enough to be loved without ones?
So, like, you never appreciate anyone for their skills? Fake eyelashes aren’t painful. But putting them on takes technical skill.
Yeah, that’s a weird take from them for sure.
Do you think people only wear things to make themselves look hot?
…do you think maybe some gals might just like having long eyelashes?
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Girl here. Yes.
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Man she’d be really hot if her eyelashes were longer.
There. I just said it. Now this post is a LIE
So, a few things:
- No way to prove you’re a dude.
- Post is still not a lie, as your statement followed the post. You can’t say that someone in the year 1900 was a liar if they said “no man has walked on the moon”.
- Technically you wrote it, not said it. Therefore your comment is a LIE
writing is a valid form of speech, and protected under the first amendment
In 1900 no man had walked on the moon yet. Wouldn’t be a lie if in 1900 someone said “No man has walked on the moon.”
Yup, that’s the point I was making as well
This is 2023. Everyone’s a dude, dude.
Okay now you have to follow through. Go out and marry one of those falsie-long-lashes freaks. No divorces allowed. You must gaze adoringly into her eyes at least twenty times a day for the rest of your life.
I have made a terrible mistake
But he said true story. It’s the incel code.
😱🤯
prove that you are a dude
I thought we’d already covered this…
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Kel is the sole reason I call everyone dude, and I really wish everyone remembered this 90s gem.
We are approaching the day when more people were born after kel evangelized about dudes from the counter, than before
That’s fine but I’m a woman and I feel uncomfortable when people call me “dude.”
Sorry, dude.
I’m warning you, Ma’am.
Good burger 2 coming out soon. They are back baby!
I hope they really drive the everyone-is-dude point this time even if it’s so heavy handed that the right cancels it for being woke.
Damn that’s next week too. Just watched the trailer, and, uh, fuck it i’ll watch it lol
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I’ve never said those words, but eye lash extensions do it for me. It’s not often that I notice it, but when I start getting that junior high crush feeling for women I interact with, I usually notice they have the fake eyelashes going.
Same with painted on stick eyebrows
The bigger the eye lashes the more often she will lash out on you
Most men have no idea what they actually like. I’d be willing to bet most wouldn’t be able to identify light mascara even if they saw it applied
Very much this. I tried to further explain the reasoning but I realized that it’d just sounded way more incel’y than it needed to.
Yeah, this statement is simply wrong. Men unconsciously notice a lot of things, and they might deny noticing even obvious ones because any acknowledgement of fashion is considered effeminate by some men.
I love the drag queen lashes that are so long they’ll take out the person next to you if you turn your head too fast.
To say it differently, you don’t ask a fish how to go fishing. They would just say “be a delicious worm or bug” and have no concept of rods, reels, locations, or any of the skills involved in actually fishing.
Agree. Men who go out of their way to evaluate women’s appearances and say they like women with no makeup generally mean they prefer it when women are level ten makeup astronauts who make full face look like “I just woke up this way!”
That said, the full-set lakes that make it visibly hard for a person to blink look really uncomfortable, and that makes me vicariously uncomfortable.
say they like women with no makeup
It generally means they don’t like women wearing so much make-up it is noticeable even to them.
At least for me. I rather prefer them a little ugly than looking like a clown.
It can take a lot of makeup to create a look where a bunch of guys think there’s no make-up.
My wife rarely wares makeup and rarely has. I prefer it when she doesn’t, which is good because so does she.
Men who go out of their way to evaluate women’s appearances and say they like women with no makeup generally mean they prefer it when women are level ten makeup astronauts who make full face look like “I just woke up this way!”
How do you evaluate that? I’m really asking, cause I’ve been in long-term relationships, so I’ve gone to bed next to someone who just removed their makeup and liked their face better without it, so please let me know how you evaluate that “generally” that’s what men mean - that they like full face make-up?
My, aren’t we salty.
What I’m saying is, there is a certain type of man who goes around policing women’s appearances and beauty habits on the internet (ew, I wish they wouldn’t wear makeups… so gross!). This type also gets fussy when they have to witness a woman not having a stunningly flawless face (ew, she’s a 3, how dare she exist).
There’s two kinds of putting on makeup: the kind where you’re going for drama, and the kind where you try to make it look as natural as possible, highlighting features to make them look better.
Most often, when you see comments about ‘women should look like this!’ And ‘see, women without makeup look better!’ the pictures that go along with the comment are women with a very good version of the second type of makeup.
Oh, so you base your assumption of “most men” off of comments you see on the internet. Ok, nevermind then.
Ah, but I’m given to understand it’s only men on the internet. If that’s the case, given the large number of people, then it’s by far the biggest sample size.
Your choice to rely on data collected from internet isn’t wrong because “there are no women on the internet”, or because the sample size is too small. It’s wrong because of two things
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the bias of your sample, which is created by you. You’re the only one reading comments, so you’re only reading them from certain sources. Whether those sources will constitute a sample that is representative to the rest of the world is debatable
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People lie on the internet. For example, I am a piranha, and every time I hit a certain region of my tank’s glass, autocorrect selects one of the three words suggested, based on the location of my head bonk. Unfortunately so are most of my colleagues in this thread replying to makeup related questions, as well as everywhere else in your online presence. We’re all just fish bonking our heads on glass. We’d obviously all love makeup on women, if we understood the concept of women. Your polling sample is unfortunately tainted. But hey, at least you know now that most piranhas like makeup on women.
Boy, snark and hyperbole are really lost on you, aren’t they.
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I think girls who get long eyelashes do it because they like how they look.
And thank god if they do because I would hate a woman who only cares about what other people think of her looks.
You raise an interesting point. Are women’s preferences in how they look organically theirs? Or is it conditioned over time by patriarchal beauty standards? Like, why do women actually like long lashes? If long lash products didn’t exist, would women go out of their way to invent them?
I wonder if there is a cycologly study asking that.
Longer lashes look more youthful and healthy. So do bigger eyes and framing your eyes can make them look bigger, that’s why people use dark eyeliner and mascara on light skin tones and light eye makeup on darker skin tones mostly.
This is of course not “organically” in their interest. It comes from our society valuing women almost exclusively for how youthful and pretty they look.
I dunno. If we’re talking crazy-long-lashes, that’s definitely the desire to be distinctive (something I highly respect). If we’re just talking merely “classic lash extensions”, then good question.
I’m sure some aspect of longer lashes is traditional and inscribed. It’s not like any style trends are truly original these days. “Look at me, I’m edgy. I got a tattoo. Only had to get in line behind all the other edgy people who got tattoos”.
I think stepping further, there’s an aspect of systemic sexism that our first knee-jerk reaction to a woman’s style decision is “men want, or wanted, them to look that way”, but a men’s style decision is more “to be yourself”. I mean, if I’m being myself tossing on a pair of jeans with a polo, she can be herself getting an eyelash extension.
