Enshitification continues.
That, my friends, is why we kept fighting for firefox. It doesn’t matter if you like or dislike Mozilla foundation, they have to exist because of shit like this
yet we already have a working implementation of ublock origin for mv3 by it’s main developer, gorhill
When I read about that like a year ago gorhill had clearly stated that the mv3 version’s efficacy is severely kneecapped and while it works as well as it can it’s extremely bad in comparison to the present version on Firefox and Edge
How is edge working better than chrome? It’s basically just a reskinned chrome.
Edge has been picking and choosing what features to carry over and off the top of my head announced they wouldn’t be merging in the most unpopular MV3 changes
Firefox has the same problem with V3, it has nothing to do with the browser, adblocker V2 will stop working, because are the advertising companies wich will use V3 scripts. For Chrome and Chromium the only thing is, that are no more V2 adblocker in the Chrome Store and installed adblock extensions won’t work anymore. after June 24. But don’t panic, the fact that adblocker V2 stops working does not exclude that there will be adblocker V3, the devs of these are not going to rest on their laurels either.
Firefox has the same problem with V3, it has nothing to do with the browser
Didn’t they say they will implement V3, but change it slightly to allow extensions like ublock origin to block web requests? Also I’m pretty sure there’s still no timeline for any deprecation of V2 in FF, unlike for Chrome, which will disable all V2 extensions.
Also not a problem in Vivaldi, it has a own inbuild ad/trackerblocker, no need of the Chrome Store for this. Anyway until June 24 also the adblocker devs have updated their products for sure.
until June 24 also the adblocker devs have updated their products for sure.
If you understood the differences between manifest v2 and v3 you’d understand that it’s pretty much impossible to make an ad blocker with the same effectiveness in V3 as in V2.
So they will exist, just be worse.
No https://blog.shahednasser.com/chrome-extension-tutorial-migrating-to-manifest-v3-from-v2/ How long do you think it will take the devs to change the adblockers to v3? 3…2…1…
That doesn’t even mention the changes to webrequest. Here’s an intro: https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/migrating/blocking-web-requests/
- https://support.ublock.org/hc/en-us/articles/11749958544275-Google-s-Manifest-V3-What-it-is-and-what-it-means-for-uBlock-Users-
- https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-firefox-recap-next-steps/
- https://vivaldi.com/blog/manifest-v3-webrequest-and-ad-blockers/
Only hard and adrich times for Chrome users and some work of the devs from adblockers and other browsers.
Firefox has the same problem with V3, it has nothing to do with the browser, adblocker V2 will stop working, because are the advertising companies wich will use V3 scripts.
What the hell are you talking about? This has nothing to do with what advertising companies do.
The main reason adblockers don’t like manifest V3 is that the webRequest API is gone. The proposed replacement, declarativeNetRequest, does not have the same functionality.
to my knowledge Firefox is keeping compatibility with most current extensions at least in terms of adblockers and privacy tools as they transition to manifest v3
Goddamnit I missed out again, faaaackkk! Why do i keep using Firefox ? Why?
Because you don’t randomly insist that your tab UI is some extremely fucking specific way that is somehow required to use the Internet! The nerve!
Does this apply to all Chromium based browsers? I would like to switch to Firefox, but the touchscreen scroll there is terrible, and that is 90% of what I do in a browser.
yes it does.
what trouble are you having with FF’s scroll? it’s worked perfectly fine on every device I’ve ever seen, you sure it’s not a problem with your setup?
The deceleration is way too low and it’s hard to get it to focus where I want on the page fast. The deceleration is inconsistent between touchscreen and touchpad, which works fine. I tried looking around for configurations for it but couldn’t find any. Touchscreen support in Chrome is just generally better
Vivaldi and Brave are planning to extend the deadline of MV2 by some extent, not sure if it means just like the enterprise policy or will they keep the implementation in code for longer.
Vivaldi is my daily driver. It has the best tab-management, dark website-mode (hidden function), build-in tracker, pop-up & ad-blocker, RSS-Reader, e-mail client, site-hibernation and much more. My hope is that the build-in protection will suffice when ublock origin will stop functioning. I can’t use any other browser anymore.
Vivaldi is my daily driver. It has the best tab-management, dark website-mode (hidden function), build-in tracker, pop-up & ad-blocker, RSS-Reader, e-mail client, site-hibernation and much more.
You forgot excessive RAM usage 🤮
Checked with htop:
Firefox - no tabs open, no extensions: 365MB
Chromium - no tabs open, no extensions: 358MB
qutebrowser - 1 tab open, no extensions: 400MB
Vivaldi - 3 tabs open and 70 tabs sleeping in 5 workspaces, built in ad- and track-blocker enabled + 2 extensions: 450MB
I can spare that 50MB from my more than enough mem for all the extra quality of life functions no other browser offers.
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Welp a very nuanced slight difference would obviously need to be avoided at the expense of literally ruining every web page with a shit ton of ads. That’s just a fact!
This is not a slight nuance, it literally makes touchscreen unusable for me. Touchscreen really helps with carpal tunnel and RSI, which is more important to me than an ideological war against Google.
You will have to experience a fuck ton of ads that literally make your experience less smooth. The very thing you were talking about.
But yeah go ahead and imply all I care about here is sticking it to Google.
That’s why we need to switch away from this proprietary garbage and use Firefox or LibreWolf (Firefox on steroids with less bloat, improved privacy and even pre-installed uBlock Origin)
Does libre wolf support Wayland?
Yes, I use it on Hyprland and it works perfectly.
Didn’t expect the day to come when I can no longer use Chromium based browsers.
Oh well, anyway.
Amazing how versioning can give an air of legitimacy through the illusion of progress.
I suppose this will affect chromium too?
Since Chrome does not “disable uBlock Origin” but Google deprecating manifest V2 in favor of manifest V3 it will be done in Chromium because Chromium does the heavy lifting and Chrome is “just a Chromium based browser”.
Not sponsored, I just genuinely like the product. Adguard doesn’t require manifests because it works outside the browser.
On the other news I hope this bullshit is finally the straw that kills chrome.
Not sponsored, I just genuinely like the product. Adguard doesn’t require manifests because it works outside the browser.
But trivial to circumvent. Just change the origin url from (for example) ‘ads.google.com’ to ‘google.com’ and you no longer can block ads based on DNS blocking.
While it is now not a hugh thread it will eventually happen when they manage to eradicate adblockers in the browser.
Highly doubt it. So many other browsers on so many platforms (mobile, tv, Auto,…) are built on Chrome and will have this by extension.
And opening most links in Android apps still opens them in Chrome, even if Firefox is your default browser.
Time for Android to get the EU treatment.
I’m doing this from a Samsung, so the steps might differ slightly, but go into apps, scroll down to Chrome, select it, and then tick the ‘Disable’ option. Now Chrome literally can’t open anything.
I have only one problem with that: no other browser is capable of Casting (as in Chromecast to an Android TV). Trust me, I heard and tried ALL the suggestions there is. And no, I don’t want to cast the whole phone screen, JUST the browser or the medium playing inside it. You know, science-kind media for my friend.
Ok, that works, ta.
Strange how just setting the default doesn’t.
I have stock Android device and have disabled Chrome and everything opens in FF (including the uBlock addon) in-app. You are spreading lies.
I have a Pixel 7, and random things open in Chrome.
You are spreading lies.
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That’s you, homie. Android does not do that. Hell, If you disable Chrome it literally cannot start.
Then disable Chrome, you galaxy-brain genius.
How about the US fixes some of its shit for once? Instead of exporting disgusting practices and forcing others to fix them?
I don’t have this issue m Samsung galaxy s9+ on stock Android.
Everything opens in the duckduckgo browser by default. The only time I see Chrome is when it’s for when a web site doesn’t load in ddg or firefox
you might have forgotten to set your browser of choice as the default webview
Where do you do that? There’s only an option for Default Browser as far as I can see, and that’s set to Firefox.
I found an option in the Developer Options called Webview implementation, but only the Android System Webview can be selected. On Pixel 7.
I honestly don’t know anymore as I can’t find it. Maybe it was just different in older Android versions, but now I akso just have FF set as my default browser and that’s it.
The people who don’t run ad-blockers are many, and stupid.
Those many stupid people are paying for your gmail.
While I have an old Gmail account I do not use it. My main email account is with (not much better) Microsoft. I also have an account with Proton Mail, which will eventually be my only account.
No. My electricity and internet bills do. #Self-hosted #Data-Hoarder.
Ublock origin is far way more advanced and complete than adguard, though. Cosmetic filtering, for example
Adguard does have cosmetic filtering thou. I’m talking about their paid app not dns servers.
Hope springs eternal. Most people without an adblocker don’t even notice that their web experience has become an ad-ridden hellscape.
oh no, anyway… -Firefox users
What is this misleading ad nauseam crap? uBO Lite has existed for a good while since the codebase changes started to make rounds with Chrome 85 (or 87) version. It is a uBO without the manual matrix toggling and element picker, but has all the adblocker lists you can pick.
If you want to use the real deal that empowers the user, Chromium browsers are not an option. They are a second opinion browser. Boycott anyone, even those Bromite/Cromite/Vanadium evangelists for Android, who go around bullshitting how Firefox is “insecure”.
They have been postponing it for a long time now. But uBlock origin has a light version they expect to work with V3. I wonder why they bother in the first place when they can just focus on Firefox
But uBlock origin has a light version they expect to work with V3
It just “kinda” works. It cannot nearly load all the network filters that it would normally use.
So does it block ads or not? Does it block youtube ads?
Yes, it blocks ads, and likely the YouTube ones too. The current problem with YouTube is just their anti-adblocker which needs very frequent filter updates and unlike MV2, filter updates in MV3 need the update of the entire extension (think approval periods etc).
That was my understanding. People talk about this change like it’s going to disable adblock extensions completely which is clearly not the case. So far no one really explained what the actual impact will be. Do you know that? I see youtube ads might be harder to block. Anything else?
Yeah, I would like to know that as well.
Although if updating the adblocker’s list is not instant, as with wm2, it is basically a losing race with Google, since they can change the ad domains even before the adblocker update is applied.
Or worse, since the adblocker no longer has direct access, they can just set chrome to ignore it’s requests/changes when it benefits them.
Oh fear not, limiting filter list updates to addon updates is a huge problem. For those users who rarely restart their browsers it’s even bigger of a problem: updating the addon (for the up to date filter lists) also means that all of the already loaded websites will lose the filters until you reload them, which is both not obvious to be needed and very painful, when you are using your browser for other things than consuming.
Also, does that also mean that custom filter lists are impossible anymore?
Besides these, also take into account that approval of addon updates can take a long time, quite often days, while the filters need to be updated more often (once or twice a day) for websites to not break for the majority of the users.
Yes, thinking about it, I still confidently think that chrome’s changes are unacceptable and are dealbreakers, and google is very clearly trying to curb content blockers with whatever tools available. Fortunately I don’t have to use that garbage anywhere.
Not really. In some cases it is able to, but as I said, ublock cannot load it’s filters, and so it can filter out much less things. Don’t forget that ublock does not only block ads, but disruptive popups and obsessive data mining too. With this change of chrome, it is simply unable to do that reliably.
Well, Firefox also plans to deprecate MV2 at some point (deadline to be announced at the end of this year), the difference is just that their implementation of MV3 is more flexible at the points Chrome was criticized for.
Well what did you expect from an advertising company with a side hustle in web search.
This is good new if you ask me: more people switching to firefox
People don’t even know about manifest v3 let alone switching to Firefox. They will just use whatever google throws at them.
This was true of IE too.
All of this has happened before, and will happen again.
You can’t do much about users that just don’t care. But more technically inclined folks often do care and these are the people that develop the web and maintain the computer/browser for other people.
A lot of folks in my circle use chrome, but the moment the AdBlock plugin stops working they’ll likely switch to anything that works better. They are not necessarily too concerned about privacy, but they also don’t want to have most of their browsing made effectively impossible by ads everywhere.
I mean, just try and use the web without any sort of blocking. A lot of sites don’t even have their content visible.
The point is they will know once their adblocker stops working, and they start to investigate why this happened.
So many people don’t use adblockers. It’s quite sad actually.
I could have sworn I saw something saying Google caved on this due to pressure.
They played possum while stuffing MV3 with as many internet killers as they could get away with
It was something else. Web drm : Web Integrity API.
Tho I don’t think they canceled the mobile variant of it for apps.
They pushed it back. They’ve done so several times with Manifest V3.
That’s an important distinction. Whenever trillion dollar tech companies say they’re not going to do something hugely unpopular and selfish because of public sentiment, what they really mean is they’re not going to do it right then. Instead they back off, do something like this to get everyone’s attention focused elsewhere, and then they’ll push the original unpopular idea anyways, but quietly.
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They don’t allow any new MV2 extensions in the store, though.
Thankfully Google is really good at killing things.
I’ve never really understood the obsession with this. Yes, it’s true, but 1) they’ve never killed anything I actually cared about 2) they can’t support infinite software forever. 3) this discussion has nothing to do with anything here. They aren’t going to “kill” ads, it’s literally the one thing about their company that will never not be the focus.
They backed off their web drm, because it was hugely unpopular, but also because they remembered they own chromium and can just disable adblockers directly. They tried to over-engineer something that requires everyone else to adopt a new standard, when all they ever needed to do was use a sledgehammer.
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