This article is really wrong, wow. There is already a Manifest V3-compliant version of uBlock Origin, it’s discussed in this thread: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/338
I don’t know if it’s stated definitively anywhere, but I’m pretty sure the plan is to roll out that different version to Chrome users as an update to the existing extension. It’s going to be slightly worse because MV3 is still missing some API features.
that version works but it’s always been a lite version compared to the standard ublock origin with far less capabilities and features.
Right, my point was just that the article is wrong/clickbait. The changes won’t “disable uBlock Origin” or “essentially kill off uBlock Origin”.
The V3 version of ublock should really use a different name to make it clear it doesn’t have the same capabilities as in V2/Firefox. Maybe something like UBlock use-firefox-instead.
I’ve disabled chrome on all my devices some time ago, so this is fine.
That, my friends, is why we kept fighting for firefox. It doesn’t matter if you like or dislike Mozilla foundation, they have to exist because of shit like this
yet we already have a working implementation of ublock origin for mv3 by it’s main developer, gorhill
When I read about that like a year ago gorhill had clearly stated that the mv3 version’s efficacy is severely kneecapped and while it works as well as it can it’s extremely bad in comparison to the present version on Firefox and Edge
How is edge working better than chrome? It’s basically just a reskinned chrome.
Edge has been picking and choosing what features to carry over and off the top of my head announced they wouldn’t be merging in the most unpopular MV3 changes
Firefox has the same problem with V3, it has nothing to do with the browser, adblocker V2 will stop working, because are the advertising companies wich will use V3 scripts. For Chrome and Chromium the only thing is, that are no more V2 adblocker in the Chrome Store and installed adblock extensions won’t work anymore. after June 24. But don’t panic, the fact that adblocker V2 stops working does not exclude that there will be adblocker V3, the devs of these are not going to rest on their laurels either.
Firefox has the same problem with V3, it has nothing to do with the browser
Didn’t they say they will implement V3, but change it slightly to allow extensions like ublock origin to block web requests? Also I’m pretty sure there’s still no timeline for any deprecation of V2 in FF, unlike for Chrome, which will disable all V2 extensions.
Also not a problem in Vivaldi, it has a own inbuild ad/trackerblocker, no need of the Chrome Store for this. Anyway until June 24 also the adblocker devs have updated their products for sure.
until June 24 also the adblocker devs have updated their products for sure.
If you understood the differences between manifest v2 and v3 you’d understand that it’s pretty much impossible to make an ad blocker with the same effectiveness in V3 as in V2.
So they will exist, just be worse.
No https://blog.shahednasser.com/chrome-extension-tutorial-migrating-to-manifest-v3-from-v2/ How long do you think it will take the devs to change the adblockers to v3? 3…2…1…
That doesn’t even mention the changes to webrequest. Here’s an intro: https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/migrating/blocking-web-requests/
- https://support.ublock.org/hc/en-us/articles/11749958544275-Google-s-Manifest-V3-What-it-is-and-what-it-means-for-uBlock-Users-
- https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-firefox-recap-next-steps/
- https://vivaldi.com/blog/manifest-v3-webrequest-and-ad-blockers/
Only hard and adrich times for Chrome users and some work of the devs from adblockers and other browsers.
to my knowledge Firefox is keeping compatibility with most current extensions at least in terms of adblockers and privacy tools as they transition to manifest v3
Firefox has the same problem with V3, it has nothing to do with the browser, adblocker V2 will stop working, because are the advertising companies wich will use V3 scripts.
What the hell are you talking about? This has nothing to do with what advertising companies do.
The main reason adblockers don’t like manifest V3 is that the webRequest API is gone. The proposed replacement, declarativeNetRequest, does not have the same functionality.
Enshitification continues.
What is this misleading ad nauseam crap? uBO Lite has existed for a good while since the codebase changes started to make rounds with Chrome 85 (or 87) version. It is a uBO without the manual matrix toggling and element picker, but has all the adblocker lists you can pick.
If you want to use the real deal that empowers the user, Chromium browsers are not an option. They are a second opinion browser. Boycott anyone, even those Bromite/Cromite/Vanadium evangelists for Android, who go around bullshitting how Firefox is “insecure”.
idk what people say but webextensions were a mistake.
Allowing any deranged “security” zealot into FOSS community and projects is a mistake. Boycott GrapheneOS, boycott Brad Spengler, boycott grsecurity, boycott clowns like madaidan, boycott the ones that go around shitting on F-Droid and promote Google Play Store in the same breath.
Why boycott GrapheneOS? I feel a bit OOTL here, I only know the drama with the ex-lead dev, but I understand that the project as a whole is your best bet at a mobile experience that you control. Am I missing something?
https://old.reddit.com/r/privatelife/comments/ug9qnc/writeup_criticism_of_rprivacyguides_grapheneos/
This spans 4 years of privacy community, and explains how the security cult that tries to hack through FOSS community works. If you take just 1-2 hours to go through every piece of information and evidence here, you will no longer be OOTL. I am a true privacy militant.
The 5th year aka last year is here, but it is more focused on the key entity, since rest of the people are no longer as active, and this is the last big hurdle. https://old.reddit.com/r/privatelife/comments/13teoo9/grapheneos_corporate_foss_loving_witch_hunting/
I wrote and covered all of this for years to hope people listen to one reasonable privacy person that’s not a conspiratorial nutjob.
Google keeps improving chrome /s
Google justified this change by highlighting how extensions using the Web Request API could access and modify all the data in a network request, essentially being able to change everything that a user could do on the web (
which is pretty scary and problematic when you think about itwhich is a perfectly valid usecase of a user-installed extension).I mean what else do I want it to do if not
modifyextend my usage of the web?
They have been postponing it for a long time now. But uBlock origin has a light version they expect to work with V3. I wonder why they bother in the first place when they can just focus on Firefox
Well, Firefox also plans to deprecate MV2 at some point (deadline to be announced at the end of this year), the difference is just that their implementation of MV3 is more flexible at the points Chrome was criticized for.
But uBlock origin has a light version they expect to work with V3
It just “kinda” works. It cannot nearly load all the network filters that it would normally use.
So does it block ads or not? Does it block youtube ads?
Yes, it blocks ads, and likely the YouTube ones too. The current problem with YouTube is just their anti-adblocker which needs very frequent filter updates and unlike MV2, filter updates in MV3 need the update of the entire extension (think approval periods etc).
That was my understanding. People talk about this change like it’s going to disable adblock extensions completely which is clearly not the case. So far no one really explained what the actual impact will be. Do you know that? I see youtube ads might be harder to block. Anything else?
Yeah, I would like to know that as well.
Although if updating the adblocker’s list is not instant, as with wm2, it is basically a losing race with Google, since they can change the ad domains even before the adblocker update is applied.
Or worse, since the adblocker no longer has direct access, they can just set chrome to ignore it’s requests/changes when it benefits them.
Oh fear not, limiting filter list updates to addon updates is a huge problem. For those users who rarely restart their browsers it’s even bigger of a problem: updating the addon (for the up to date filter lists) also means that all of the already loaded websites will lose the filters until you reload them, which is both not obvious to be needed and very painful, when you are using your browser for other things than consuming.
Also, does that also mean that custom filter lists are impossible anymore?
Besides these, also take into account that approval of addon updates can take a long time, quite often days, while the filters need to be updated more often (once or twice a day) for websites to not break for the majority of the users.
Yes, thinking about it, I still confidently think that chrome’s changes are unacceptable and are dealbreakers, and google is very clearly trying to curb content blockers with whatever tools available. Fortunately I don’t have to use that garbage anywhere.
Not really. In some cases it is able to, but as I said, ublock cannot load it’s filters, and so it can filter out much less things. Don’t forget that ublock does not only block ads, but disruptive popups and obsessive data mining too. With this change of chrome, it is simply unable to do that reliably.
Goddamnit I missed out again, faaaackkk! Why do i keep using Firefox ? Why?
Because you don’t randomly insist that your tab UI is some extremely fucking specific way that is somehow required to use the Internet! The nerve!
Guess I just need to keep using firefox. shrug
oh no, anyway… -Firefox users
Amazing how versioning can give an air of legitimacy through the illusion of progress.
This is good new if you ask me: more people switching to firefox
People don’t even know about manifest v3 let alone switching to Firefox. They will just use whatever google throws at them.
The point is they will know once their adblocker stops working, and they start to investigate why this happened.
So many people don’t use adblockers. It’s quite sad actually.
This was true of IE too.
All of this has happened before, and will happen again.
You can’t do much about users that just don’t care. But more technically inclined folks often do care and these are the people that develop the web and maintain the computer/browser for other people.
A lot of folks in my circle use chrome, but the moment the AdBlock plugin stops working they’ll likely switch to anything that works better. They are not necessarily too concerned about privacy, but they also don’t want to have most of their browsing made effectively impossible by ads everywhere.
I mean, just try and use the web without any sort of blocking. A lot of sites don’t even have their content visible.
That’s why we need to switch away from this proprietary garbage and use Firefox or LibreWolf (Firefox on steroids with less bloat, improved privacy and even pre-installed uBlock Origin)
Does libre wolf support Wayland?
Yes, I use it on Hyprland and it works perfectly.
