Usenet and IRC were the good ole times.
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Amazon: 1994
eBay: 1995
Match.com: 1995 (same parent company as tinder)
Hotmail: 1996 (MS owned in 1997)
Google: 1998
PayPal: 1998 (eBay owned in 2002)
If you look at the dot com bubble, there’s a lot of corporate colonization in the 90s. Many of them didn’t survive their stock crashing in 2000 (pets.com is a good example). Some things were not able to be launched until the internet infrastructure supported it properly (YouTube, for example), so yes some things do date to the 00s. But largely, by 1998, the internet was already on its current trajectory.
The reason Google was so disruptive at the time was that they didn’t charge websites to get listed – it was a business model that relied on actually finding what people were searching for. The fact that this model was disruptive at the time tells you how corporate it was even by then.
Downloading QWKs from local dial-up BBSs was the good ole times.
You pretend like they are dead?
Make the internet nerd again
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Without propaganda ?
*posts Starlight Glimmer with hammer and sickle*
That’s the main thing I hate about Lemmyverse is that the zealots and puritans came over too.
They always think you mean someone else when you say “please stop constantly trying to shoehorn your politics into everything”
My dude, everything is politics. Especially things like “I want a free internet” or “I don’t want to be drowning in ads” which is a huge part of the appeal of Lemmy are both DEEPLY political stances.
Actually, I’m going to add something to my last reply.
“not wanting to be drowning in ads” is in no way shape or form a political decision.
If you mean “because adverts are capitalism” then you’re part of the deeply naive problem.
It’s perfectly plausible - because it literally has happened - for people to construct a platform under our system (which is also hybrid anywat) that allows for social media to exist without adverts.
You’re literally the kind of person when I mean when I talk about trying too shoe-horn politics into things when it doesn’t belong.
I see you can’t understand the difference between zealotry and normal discussion.
“I don’t want ro drowning in ads” doesn’t have to mean “but trump is Hitler evil Jews did this blah blah everyone who isn’t of my opinion is a murderer”
Yep they said it lmao
They probably mean advertising, it’s a close word in other languages
Oh there’s plenty of propaganda here, pretty extreme as well…
Extreme? Like Tony the Tiger who is the mascot of Kellogg’s Frosted Flakes cereal. They’re grrreat!
It usually gets buried in downvotes tho, maniacs are everywhere…
Never doubt your ability to be influenced by propaganda. The technique that broke the internet in 2015, lying and then confirming the lie more convincingly with a second account, is still very successful today.
confirms convincingly
That broke the internet long before the 2000s.
yeah, doesnt he remember the 1370s?
When they took down Constantinople with a DDOS.
Uh no. Lemmy is very much a groupthink entity. If you don’t agree with the hive, you’re berated and downvoted into oblivion.
It’s worse than Reddit in this respect.
Largely because Reddit was so much more diverse. Even ol hive mindey Reddit tolerated differing views significantly better than the shit heap that is Lemmy.
Reddit does get super echo chamber-y in some places, though. Check out any thread in /r/worldnews lately and all the comments. They’re all of the same opinion. At least on Lemmy I see disagreement. I see as many complaints about tankies on Lemmy as I do tankies themselves, for example. The only one I’ve seen in this thread has all their comments in the negative.
Is this post a paradox?
Lemmy is great at proving me right.
“Everyone that disagrees with me is groupthink”
Edit: how dare you downvote me, groupthinker
use linux
Facts
Agree
Oh, well, it might seem like it for you, on lemmy.world. My instance didn’t defederate a single other instance, and I can tell you there’s plenty.
I see you’re on lemmy.world. Try out a Lemmy that hasn’t blocked the tankie instances for a change, it’s wild.
There can’t be propaganda if everyone agrees with me! I think we’re in good shape!
It’s not as clever yet, thought, as the demographic is rather small. I was amazed that reddits’ world news the comments were almost uniformly not only anti Hamas but pro Israel. I mean not to pick a side here, and not saying theres not astroturfing here. However there’s more diversity of position, whereas the reddit thread felt almost strangly like everyone was just saying stuff, but not carrying any meaning. Felt like the last scene of body snatchers where even the protagonist turns out to be snatched, in a way.
The amount of sophistication is lower. There are people holding extreme positions but quite often they self identify and aren’t state sponsored most of the time.
I agree and have noticed the same things. I don’t think Lemmy is big enough to attract the state sponsors yet like Reddit is but it will probably be susceptible to the same issues when it is.
I liked the fake internet points, but it definitely leads to karma whoring. So I’ll do without.
You could create a plug in that states your and everybody’s total karma. Karma is one of the worst ideas on the internet. A tool to enforce conformity and obedience
Boost shows you your total karma
It’s so… Free.
Great post. I give you my fake internet point up arrow.
Reminds me of the old WoW forums night shift.
Now do it from Linux and you have an ultimate no-BS experience
This might be a hot take here, but I’d be open to instances running a limited number of ads with minimal tracking to generate enough revenue to keep the instance afloat.
It’s why I did use the official Reddit app at first when I started using Reddit. They can’t bleed money forever. But when they kept making the app worse and worse and worse that’s when I switched to third party apps. And after they killed those, I didn’t have any sympathy for Reddit because I was sick of their continued greed.
Honestly, I’d love it if platforms gave people the option to either pay a subscription and maintain the privacy, or see ads and give up their personal data. However, it looks like we’re going in the, “pay a subscription to watch ads and have data stolen” route.
If Lemmy ever does have ads, I will tell everyone to avoid the platform like the plague. No ads. Ever. If your instance is too big to run on donations alone, it’s too big to exist and its members need to branch out.
Future platforms need to be programmed with a max number of users.
I don’t want any ads. But I’d pay money to a small Verein or something similar to keep a community instance running. Being a profitable customer to a social network works against the best interest to any mental health.
When I became financially independent I got Reddit premium even though I didn’t really use any of the features. Already had adblock and RES. I just wanted to support the site I spent hours on.
Cancelled that when they killed Apollo.
But I do agree that limited ads aren’t an issue… except for the slippery slope that’s happened. Just a few more ads… just a little more intrusive…
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I used that for a while specifically because of that feature. But I switched to uBlock origin when I found out it could block those autoplaying videos as well.
I’d rather pay than have ads. I think advertising is a plight upon humanity.
I’ll have you know that the fake internet points are still here and I will continue to use them to determine my worth in the eyes of my peers.
Only if you look for them. Not really in your face.
270 karma in 4 months. Cute.
Do me next
34.099 karma in 4 months. Cute.
Is that bad
It’s OK, I guess. My condolences for being stuck in Montana, though.
I moved here willingly. My condolences for your behavior edit: downvote away, I like it here
For what it’s worth, you got my upvote. And I’m happy you’re happy in Montana. But, it’s not Vermont. Just saying.
Me next
2,511 karma in 3 months. Cute.
Oddly enough that’s an average of 10 points per comment.
Also I can’t see total up votes in Sync, or I haven’t figured out where that is, so I don’t know if the total karma is correct, but I can see they’ve only made 27 comments in 4 months.
Boost for Lemmy (evolved from Boost for reddit) just continues to call it karma:
Are you sure boost calculates it correctly? I remember some llemming trying to do it earlier but said it wasn’t federated correctly since total karma has been a non-goal for devs.
Don’t know, don’t really care. It’s just fake internet points.
oh you
Yeah, and it’s people arguing about cars, Trump, rich people, work, Linux distros, not pooping, and communism.
Swap Trump for Bush and this is what the early internet was like
Not pooping? I’m almost afraid to ask, but that’s the only one I’ve not come across yet…
There was an asklemmy post shortly after the exodus asking how to avoid a bowel movement for three days.
I’m almost disappointed this isn’t like that one subreddit where people tried to stick as much Sharpies up their ass as possible. Almost.
We need memes, Spiderman memes
Bring me funny pictures of Spider-Man!
Lemmy is just as much an information warfare platform as anything on Reddit. The Israel/Hamas coverage has confirmed that pretty conclusively.
Very true! Here, have a fake Internet point lol
Eh, talking about Isreal/Hamas/Palestine has been a sensitive topic for as long as I can remember. I wouldn’t be surprised if an argument broke out between two Catholics in a church on Sunday if they were talking about it. It’s an extremely devicive issue.
