Money wins, every time. They’re not concerned with accidentally destroying humanity with an out-of-control and dangerous AI who has decided “humans are the problem.” (I mean, that’s a little sci-fi anyway, an AGI couldn’t “infect” the entire internet as it currently exists.)
However, it’s very clear that the OpenAI board was correct about Sam Altman, with how quickly him and many employees bailed to join Microsoft directly. If he was so concerned with safeguarding AGI, why not spin up a new non-profit.
Oh, right, because that was just Public Relations horseshit to get his company a head-start in the AI space while fear-mongering about what is an unlikely doomsday scenario.
So, let’s review:
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The fear-mongering about AGI was always just that. How could an intelligence that requires massive amounts of CPU, RAM, and database storage even concievably able to leave the confines of its own computing environment? It’s not like it can “hop” onto a consumer computer with a fraction of the same CPU power and somehow still be able to compute at the same level. AI doesn’t have a “body” and even if it did, it could only affect the world as much as a single body could. All these fears about rogue AGI are total misunderstandings of how computing works.
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Sam Altman went for fear mongering to temper expectations and to make others fear pursuing AGI themselves. He always knew his end-goal was profit, but like all good modern CEOs, they have to position themselves as somehow caring about humanity when it is clear they could give a living flying fuck about anyone but themselves and how much money they make.
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Sam Altman talks shit about Elon Musk and how he “wants to save the world, but only if he’s the one who can save it.” I mean, he’s not wrong, but he’s also projecting a lot here. He’s exactly the fucking same, he claimed only he and his non-profit could “safeguard” AGI and here he’s going to work for a private company because hot damn he never actually gave a shit about safeguarding AGI to begin with. He’s a fucking shit slinging hypocrite of the highest order.
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Last, but certainly not least. Annie Altman, Sam Altman’s younger, lesser-known sister, has held for a long time that she was sexually abused by her brother. All of these rich people are all Jeffrey Epstein levels of fucked up, which is probably part of why the Epstein investigation got shoved under the rug. You’d think a company like Microsoft would already know this or vet this. They do know, they don’t care, and they’ll only give a shit if the news ends up making a stink about it. That’s how corporations work.
So do other Lemmings agree, or have other thoughts on this?
And one final point for the right-wing cranks: Not being able to make an LLM say fucked up racist things isn’t the kind of safeguarding they were ever talking about with AGI, so please stop conflating “safeguarding AGI” with “preventing abusive racist assholes from abusing our service.” They aren’t safeguarding AGI when they prevent you from making GPT-4 spit out racial slurs or other horrible nonsense. They’re safeguarding their service from loser ass chucklefucks like you.
Perhaps we should actually do some research and not use Hollywood movies as our reference?
Agree. Ever since they started lobbying politicians it’s been clear that “safety” is a just a pretext for regulatory capture.
Everything was clear enough for people like me, when we knew every possible public service and API was being abused to scrape data for OpenAI LLMs. Shit was never “Open”, just like USA is not a democracy. Fucking shithole country with ultracapitalist leeches and the world’s best media propaganda machinery is what it is, and there are plenty of Sam Altmans, Zuckerbergs, Steve Jobses and Larry Pages in there, while real people like Steve Wozniac get sidelined.
Capitalists give 0 fucks about anything other than MOAR money. That includes innovation and tech advancement for our species. Only a socialist framework could give 2 hoots about such grand goals instead of resorting to leeching the public content makers for 0 pennies. Many artists, writers, musicians, programmers and other creative people will either stop working and stop making the public domain richer, or they will Patreon and copyright the hell out of everything they make, either way we lose because nobody got paid respect, and only LLM corpo leeches became rich.
MLs trying to pet a baby duck without America bad:
Liberals (rightwingers in sheep clothing) trying to not shit on leftists for once challenge (impossible) (soul shattering)
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That was a long rant. I didn’t read it.
Don’t really think AGI needs any safeguards. Let’s just throw it out there and see what happens.
AI isn’t the danger, it’s human application of “AI” that will be horrible as fuck.
It often seems to be… ‘Gee Brian, that’s a great invention! I wonder how we can kill people with it’, the thought having germinated in a slurry of greed and self interest. (Apologies for the slightly jaundiced view of our betters and elders, it comes with age.)
AGI is still science fiction right now
insert spacesuit “always has been” meme here.
I think it will be fine as long as we don’t give the AI thumbs.
trusting corporations is always a bad idea
It doesn’t matter if anyone cares about the safety of AGI.
AGI is a direct source of power, much like any weapon. As soon as AGI exists, we will exist in a state of warfare due to the fact that the “big guns” will be out.
I know I’m having trouble articulating this point, but it’s very important to understand. AGI is like a nuclear weapon: once a person has it, it doesn’t matter how much others may want to regulate them. It’s just not possible to regulate.
The ONLY strategy that gives us hope of surviving AGI’s emergence without being enslaved is to spread AGI far and wide to ensure a multipolar AGI ecosystem, which will force AGI to learn prosocial interaction as a means of ensuring its own survival.
And if you want to come at me with “AGI doesn’t inherently have a self interest”, consider that the same is true of nuclear weapons. And yet nuclear weapons get their interests from their wielders. And the only way to stay safe from nuclear weapons is also to proliferate them far and wide so that there is a multipolar ecosystem of nuclear weapons, ensuring those holding nuclear weapons have to play nice to ensure their own survival.
All of this talk about restricting AGI will only have the effect of concentrating it in a few hands, leading to the very nightmare the regulators are trying to avoid.
If the regulators had succeeded, and the US had been the only nation to possess nuclear weapons in the long run, humanity would have suffered massively from that lack of parity. Let me be less coy: humanity would have suffered under the brutality of repeated nuclear holocausts as the interests of the few led to further and further justification of larger and larger strikes.
Nuclear weapons cannot be regulated by law. They can only be regulated by other nuclear weapons. Same is true of AGI.
Okay. It’s not only a weapon though.
It doesn’t need to be only a weapon for any of this to apply. Same as nuclear fission.
“It doesn’t matter if anyone cares about the safety of agi”
It does matter. And it doesn’t apply because it’s not just a weapon. It matters how it acts towards humans ethically in so many ways other than indiscriminate slaughter
If they wanted to safeguard AI, they would actually make the models public. Bad actors are bound to get them anyways, hiding it behind secrecy is very unlikely. And I mean, AI could make a virus infecting most infrastructure on planet (Amazon and Google data centres) and then shutting it down or using it for its own purposes. As several programming memes lay out, the entire modern web infrastructure is surprisingly dependent on just a few APIs and tools
AI could make a virus infecting most infrastructure on planet (Amazon and Google data centres)
Most important infrastructure on the planet is air-gapped, meaning it’s not connected to the internet, for good reason. Reasons like this. The thing is, as it stands, a determined human could do this as well with Google and Amazon. Sorry, having a chuckle over here that you’re conflating two cloud hosts with “all the infrustructure on the planet” like irrigation canals out in the boonies are somehow internet connected.
the entire modern web infrastructure is surprisingly dependent on just a few APIs and tools
That doesn’t mean that you can deploy a payload in a reasonable amount of time to every device on the planet. Dude, half the people in third world countries aren’t even connected, and if they are, they’re dealing with like 2G speeds on a cellphone service and they definitely don’t own a computer, they only have a phone. There’s all kinds of speed limitations to the hardware in reality. Just because you might have a fast connection and fast PC doesn’t mean everyone does, and those physical limitations make an rogue AGI “destroying infrastructure” a big of a laugh.
AGI isn’t real
You mean that physical objects cannot display human level intelligence? That’s obviously untrue, I have about seven billion counterexamples to show you.
Those are naturally conceived with some good ol’ fucking (or in vitro fertilization), not artificially created with thousands of GPU.
Unless you can actually point to special magic consciousness dust that’s in human brains that doesn’t really make any difference.
Why does consciousness have to be organic based, after all there’s plenty of life on this planet that’s organic and has no consciousness, so can the inverse not be true.
Well 3.5 billion. Since half of them display sub-human level intelligence.
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Ewwww. Super icky comment.
I’m just having a bit of a go at you about the fact that you conflated AGI with human intelligence.
A good number of humans couldn’t think their way out of an unlock room.
What? No. That’s clearly not what they meant. What???
How could an intelligence that requires massive amounts of CPU, RAM, and database storage even concievably able to leave the confines of its own computing environment?
Why would it need to leave its own environment in order to impact the world? How about an AGI taking over the remote fly system for an F-35, B-21, or NGAD in order to go all Skynet? It doesn’t have to execute itself on the onboard system of the plane, it simply has to have control of the remote control system. Penetration of and fuckery with the systems that run major stock exchanges present the same problem. It doesn’t need to execute itself on those platforms, merely exert control over them.
The concern here isn’t about an AGI taking over systems in order to execute itself, it’s about AGI taking control of systems away from humans in much the same way that traditional Black Hat hackers would but at a much faster speed and with potentially far less concern for any human cost.
This feels like a weird point to make for OP since I figure anyone here talking about AI is very familiar with distributed networked computing. Botnets have been such a pain in the dick for at least 15 years now. Imagine something that intimately and only knows how to “live” in computing. The distributed areas of could “live” in and have access to all the resources it needs either directly or not. Storing info and using resources of anything it can touch through the network, computers, phones, TVs, cars, door bell cameras, router and networking infrastructure.
I feel there is inevitably either a human made virus or a standalone AIG that is going to accomplish this.The extent to which it spreads, if the damage can be recovered from, and how we progress after it’s going to be a big defining moment is technological history. The globalized network with everything communicating is the most powerful and least secure super computer ever. Those running botnets figured that out a long time ago. All it takes is one AI.
At this point at least, LLMs require vast amounts of GPU time, and the GPUs used likely need to be fairly close coupled to run at decent speeds, and as such one couldn’t spread itself over the vast network of consumer computers. At least not in a way that would still allow it to learn.
Any near-term AGI or similar would be based on a similar approach, making it fairly “safe” in that respect at least. Only a million other disruptive ways it can affect society…
In the event of such a worm/virus, we forget actually do have a very effective nuclear option: switch off the computers and re-image them. Painful as it might be, we could even shut off or partition the global IP network temporarily if faced with such an existential threat.
We don’t live in a sci-fi novel after all, and this distributed AI wouldn’t be able to hide in a single machine, plotting against us. It would only be able to “think” as a giant networked cluster, something easy to detect and disrupt.
It doesn’t have to execute itself on the onboard system of the plane, it simply has to have control of the remote control system.
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Planes that are primarily designed to be human-piloted tend to have to be wildly modified to become a drone, or a remote-pilot situation. The F-35, for example, can be heavily modified for this, but is not built for it to begin with. This argument would hold more weight if you were referring to the entire drone fleet.
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(Assuming drones) Generally, the military is pretty secure with these kind of things, and they won’t allow in external internet connections but will instead have their own internal communications network. For this to be successful, the AGI would essentially have to somehow get by air-gapped defenses and get close enough with a physical body to get a signal. How could they do this with drone pilots in a remote area in an non-internet connected building? The only way would be through the wireless signal. At that point, yes, it would be feasible to take over the drone. I find it very hard to believe that an AGI could do that, magically make connection to remote, air-gapped systems.
An AGI doing what you’re talking about doing would mean all secure facilities in the world would have just tossed their security practices out the window to begin with and having internet connections inside secure facilities. That’s just not how its done. Sure the psychotic wing of the Republican party doesn’t give a shit and Donald Trump doesn’t… but like, reasonable people do, and so security still exists.
This argument would hold more weight if you were referring to the entire drone fleet.
Sure, and we’re maybe 5 years away from that.
An AGI doing what you’re talking about doing would mean all secure facilities in the world would have just tossed their security practices out the window to begin with and having internet connections inside secure facilities.
Nearly all of the normal spy activities that can induce someone to action are available to an AGI; Bribery, Compromise, and Relationship. There’s also people who would willingly help because their goals aligned or because they believe things would be better with an AGI in charge.
…but like, reasonable people do, and so security still exists.
Sure, and that security gets penetrated and an AGI can do it in the same way its done now only faster and with no controls on its behavior.
You also need to drop the assumption that the AGI or its targets will be American.
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And why would nobody stop it? We are pretty good at stop button technology for instance, we also have pretty good grasp of the reset button but maybe it shouldn’t be one of those hole you always break pens on
How could an intelligence that requires massive amounts of CPU, RAM, and database storage even concievably
What you define as “massive” amounts might still be large amounts for most consumers. But even then it’s not… really. Developers frequently fit these models in their own laptops. Some of the ML models fit on an iPhone or Android phone. It can generate ten, or hundreds of words (tokens) per second.
So the fact that they don’t need massive amounts of CPU, RAM, and database storage is rather the point. Imagine if it could escape and multiply. It could conceivably do so quite quickly given current technology.
Zephyr 7b might run on a cell but you don’t understand how far behind oai these are for stuff, their gpt uses multi agent networks too, it certainly requires massive, massive amounts of power. And no, a tiny model on a phon can’t brrrr hundreds of words per second. You are just misinformed somehow. If I tune my computer correct I get like 30. And these are magnitudes behind in quality anyway. How you believe they can replicate is beyond me. Using autogen? I mean we can already make replication softwares, called viruses, but what’s the gain of having a language model as payload for that?
Give it time. Cell phones are getting more powerful every day.
As for misinformed… sure it’s possible. But I doubt it. Llama isn’t chat gpt but it runs pretty well on my machine. Is it perfect? No, of course not. Neither is ChatGPT. But it’s “good enough” for what I need it for, and it certainly could be “good enough” for many other users.
What’s the gain of a LLM for a virus? Well that… is a little more esoteric. It’s about as esoteric as encrypting hard drives. Crypto malware isn’t always a virus either. Imagine a LLM in a virus used to determine if a given file’s content is worth extracting from the device. I haven’t yet figured out all of the side ventures but I can see a use for it.
I don’t get it, you didn’t say “in the future” you said it is that now, it’s the premise of the entire comment. We aren’t in the future. It’s not used in mobile apps that much yet because it’s not at all reliable or fast… Or cheap. It’s incredible technology. But it’s not ready for the things you described
This is AskLemmy, not go on a rant and spread whatever narrative you feel spreading and add a question mark at the end.
Lets see what nuggets I can find in the post hist- didn’t even need to scroll past the first page.
itt, lots of people who don’t know shit about the glorified decision trees people call ai
