Isn’t Twitter kind of thriving though, or did I miss some recent news while touching grass?
Twitter’s ad revenue is down 50%. Maybe it’s doing some kind of crash diet and living its best life but most people wouldn’t call that thriving.
did I miss some recent news
Yes, and also not so recent news because it’s been doing a nose dive since February at least.
lol reddit is still kicking, people. Don’t count your chickens yet.
Still kicking but…somehow not the same. It’s something I can’t quite explain. There’s just something different about it now. I had to look something up on Reddit a couple of days ago. It was the first time I’d been back since they killed all the third party apps. It reminded me of going back to a city I used to live but my friends were all gone and my favorite places to go had changed. So, while it was the same place, and there were plenty of people around, it seemed exhausted and forced.
I know exactly what you mean.
Moreover, killing Youtube will be harder than killing any of these social media. Serving video content is very expensive.
The demands of video hosting is what makes me doubtful that decentralized YouTube could work.
It could work if everyone that used it was interested in decentralizing it, but that seems impossible from my perspective
I managed to step on CM Punk’s toe, now I’m ready to take on Jon Jones.
It’s a delusional circlejerk.
Have you used recently?I tried but the quality plummeted
Big mainstream subs are shit but they always were. Cool niche communities are the same.
mostly the same. I feel like even niche places get some of the annoying reddit mentality that has annoyed me for quite a while. There’s still the hivemind and circle jerky stuff in small places. It’s felt like less of that here, but also only a fraction of the people are on Lemmy so that will change when more people come.
inb4 eternal September :)
I mean, the circlejerk is already here. This meme shows that. The amount of users saying “fuck spez”, as if he gives a shit and is remotely affected is like…bruh.
Nope, sorry: no revolution for you.
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For some of my niche subs the mods just quit
I’m not disagreeing but it’s still kicking. My friend who is on reddit said it was weird for a couple days during the blackout but it’s back to normal now. He also wondered why I didn’t use the official app. Like it or not, most people are like him.
I can’t believe this. The official app is so bad, I am losing faith in humanity.
Even if you get rid of the ads (ReVanced manager is your friend) it still pushes weird content into your timeline. Like, you scroll and there is an interesting post that you want to comment on. Oops, posted 20 days ago. Why would you recommend that to me!?
Yeah he mentioned things like that were happening during the blackout but he said it’s mostly back to normal for him now. He also watches TV and movies with all sorts of ads. For me, that’s an instant pivot to find something else to do. My dad has repeatedly asked me if I want some product he sees in an Instagram ad. I eventually had to tell him to specifically never get me a product he sees in an ad. People on the fediverse aren’t normal. We care a lot about things most people don’t really mind.
So is Facebook and Twitter. This meme is premature in triplicate.
Twitter, despite Elon’s best efforts, is not dead yet 😆
All while the fediverse still has low numbers.
I like the concept, but if your only selling point is “it’s like email, you can use any instance” it’s not going to be popular to most people.
Agreed. Friends in my discord group still bring up reddit posts daily, usually in subs with games and memes.
Yeah, I think that’s because reddit just has the hugest communities for individual games and niche interests. There are some lemmy communities for some of the games I follow but there are like seven users in each of them. Lemmy is getting really good for broader topics like “games” or “technology” but isn’t quite there yet for more narrow interests like “Dolphin emulator” for example.
I remember Voat and numerous other attempts to abandon Reddit.
I really hope that this one sticks but it needs to be very robust (in terms of moderation, server capacity, user friendliness etc) if it is going to handle a large influx of users without breaking down.
Yeah, no. The deaths of those websites have not happened yet, and when they do, the Fediverse will not be the one holding the scythe
Peertube already exist. If you have to upload a video to show someone on the internet it’s already more convenient than youtube as you don’t have to login and access with google accounts.
you can use youtube without a google account?
You can. You can’t subscribe or use it ad free but I have no issues going to YouTube and just searching for what I need. No account required.
You can’t subscribe or use it ad free
I don’t think so. Creating accounts on Peertube is much easier as it’s decentralized, some instances won’t care about your data such telephone number
Also, if you make your own instance, you can fully control the data flow.
even google is having a difficult time hosting video.
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Not a fan of how corporatized it has been getting.
Fine platform buuuut lots of nuts over there, I watched Mental Outlaw and Brightside Films i think(?) and got straight up nazi stuff on the recommendations sidebar, the comments on some videos are also kinda insane
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You people are delusional. You are living in a fantasy.
me when peertube exists
In the case of a decentralized youtube, who would be responsible for the data storage?
Am I the only one who thinks once something becomes a monolith of a platform, then it should be regulated (or dare I say), nationalized/ turned into a non profit?
It’s called state communism and america would burn to the ground before it happens
How is being heavily regulated communism? We have that right now for various industries.
It’s not communism but it’s antithetical to the American spirit of free market capitalism. They prefer their growth unchecked and their corporations unregulated, just as the founding fathers intended.
What if it was something you were hosting and someone told you what to do? Kind of three antithesis of Lemmy, really.
The difference is the barrier to entry and the size. Realistically, it is very hard to make a YouTube competitor given how high the server costs are and how sticky the platform is.
As a platform (or a company), gets bigger and bigger, it has more influence on society and it’s private status becomes more and more detrimental to the good of humanity.
In the example you said, what I host would not have a huge impact on society, hence I would not need to be as responsible for what I do.
If the breaking point is size, then what qualifies the size? What if you hosted your stuff at a medium scale in your house as a hobby? Does this mean that an anonymous person can demand that you host certain content? At what point is your infra not yours anymore?
If the breaking point is size, then what qualifies the size?
When it’s a monopoly (maybe even before that, but definitely when it’s a monopoly).
Please see standard oil and how anti trust suites broke that up.
You host stuff in your house, and create a monopoly. Does a guy in a suit show up at your door to claim it? How does running a service as a hobby compare to oil?
Mastadon, Searx, Fediverse, and so on aren’t killing or replacing the sites they’re modeled after, not even close. They’re just providing a privacy focused alternative for those who don’t want to whored out by corporations or abused by powermods or shitty business decisions
How do I downvote this?
No money to make on the fediverse => no (expensive to create) content.
Exactly. Youtube is there to stay, i think. I dont have many issues with it as well tbh. I pay for our family account and its just an amazing experience, no need for Spotify with YT Music as well. Creators earn more with premium too - the service is just working for me.
One could debate about hosting costs and revenue split and content policies, but in principle, i have no qualms with Youtube.
Honestly the only subscription I don’t mind paying for. You can’t beat ad free YouTube videos.
Yeah definitely but why pay for that?
You can also seamlessly download videos on all of your devices, on top of their own music streaming service.
I’m sure you can get all of it for free somehow, but there’s a point in life that convenience is more important. Also, the family plan is dirt cheap if you consider all you get.
uBlock Origin + SponsorBlock
Yeah paid YT is probably the last media subscription to go, especially with YT Music. Hours and hours of watch time probably number one thing watched by the whole family. The only problem I usually have with YT is getting “boxed in” to content, like it thinks I only like watching channel X now because I watched a video. Sometimes the entire feed is like 2 or 3 channels and it’s harder to discover something new.
(One interesting thing, if you create your own YT channels each channel has a fresh watch history and sometimes you can then build up a different set of videos on the other channels)
YouTube probably isn’t worried about open source competition, but Twitch could be a real competitor. Twitch already captured a large chunk of gaming, especially the live streams.
Twitch could have massively ate into YouTube if they wanted, but they must have decided it wasn’t worth the cost to host videos.
Twitch would need a lot of work to make videos more first class citizens, that is probably more the reason than storage costs. They have Amazon backing them now with basically unlimited storage potential.
Yeah, till we have paid subscriptions or very well targeted good reputation advertising, there won’t be enough money to switch over.
There is money to be made, just not off ads. Instagram has content without paying people. It just depends on how the creator is financing themselves. Paid sponsorships? Is it in support of something else (Patreon, web store, etc)? There is no money to be made off ads and I support that. But there is money to be made, but you need a following for it to be worthwhile. It’d be interesting if someone created an app that allows dual posting to YouTube and PeerTube, or posting to PixelFed & Instagram at the same time. Once they start getting followers on those other platforms, there are less intrusive methods to monetize it.
- patreon
- most people make literal pennies off of youtube, so it wouldn’t be much for them to switch
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Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=NdTLj-xcqGM
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
YouTube might be the biggest challenge yet given the extraordinary amount of storage needed to recreate it.
Someone needs to invent middle-out compression and install it on a network of smart fridges
Couldn’t get past the third season of that show. Got too repetitive. Is it worth finishing?
Not worth watching past season 4, imo. Season 2 is the peak season, if you ask me.
Every season just felt like a repeat of season 1 IMO.
Not sure, I have almost finished S05 and still find it hilarious. Have to watch more to form a final opinion
What show?
Silicon Valley
Yeah, this is the one I don’t see happening.
Look at Twitch. Microsoft, Facebook, and (somewhat) Google have attempted to dethrone them and they’ve all failed. Things like Rumble and Kick are still going, and Kick may have a slight chance.
But that’s a much smaller platform, that everyone agrees is absolute garbage and trying to kill itself at every turn. YouTube would be a much bigger challenge.
Its also getting the content creators onto the new platform. Thats a bigger challenge I think, without creators it’s a dead site really, and making videos is significantly more difficult than image or text posting.
For storage, if we assume the format would be WebM at 1080p, 60fps and 20 minutes in length, it turns out to about 1GB. Even a cheap VPS instance usually offer 50GB of storage (with not too expensive storage upgrades).
So if its distributed evenly, we can host a good bit of videos (nothing compared to YouTube though).
Let’s not forget that there’s money to be earned by being a youtube person. Creating a model that would make this possible in a federated approach would be bonkers as hell and probably just invite predatory dipshits who then lure creators with seemingly good offers and then start to hold them hostage in ways YouTube hasn’t dared so far.
Ad reads and patreon
The reality is that most content creators will not switch platforms because it guarantees a significant loss of viewership. Ad reads won’t pay much if you’re only talking to a fraction of your audience.
good. i don’t want capitalist advertising bs on the internet anyway.
While I agree in spirit, what other option is there in a capitalist society? Paying a subscription fee for every single service or every single content creator? Not sure people are going to go for that en masse.
Most professional YouTubers survive primarily off of Patreon support and sponsored videos. YouTube ads provide only a small fraction of what they earn. If they could increase their Patreon or sponsorship income by cross-posting to PeerTube, then they could be enticed to do so. The current issue there is that sponsors are going to want accurate analytics, and PeerTube isn’t going to be able to offer the kind of depth of audience analysis that YouTube can.
The problem is, the cost of hosting videos – both in terms of storage and in terms of bandwidth – is kind of prohibitive. That part needs to be solved.
lure creators with seemingly good offers and then start to hold them hostage in ways YouTube hasn’t dared so far.
Like Smosh?
Young up and coomers, first giants on YouTube. Sold their channel and brand for stock. Then were tied to the company for years who worked them like dogs. Until the company that bought them went bankrupt so their stock was nullified and they in the end sold their company for $0.
I wouldn’t say YouTube was free from it
Young up and coomers
I don’t think that word means what you think it means
It was intentional
60fps
Correct me if I’m wrong but I would guess that the majority of YouTube videos are at 30fps, right? I only want 60fps for gaming/sports clips
Yeah the majority are 30 I think
So if its distributed evenly, we can host a good bit of videos (nothing compared to YouTube though).
I read 500 hours of content are uploaded to YouTube every minute. Obviously a lot of that is low quality, but we’re still talking a lot of content unless we’re suggesting the creators host it themselves (which could work for a small subset of folks if it were enough of a turnkey solution).
The fediverse doesn’t make money and it shouldn’t. YouTube is fine unless some other business makes a decent competitor.
Its nearly impossible to replicate what YouTube it is today. The amount of storage and bandwith require is immense, also the creators coming up to a new platform without a way to get money it will really hard to have something like YouTube.
Its nearly impossible to replicate what YouTube it is today.
Why would we want to? People want to replace Youtube because Youtube sucks ass. Replacing it with another monetized platform will only ever lead to the same place Youtube is at now.
It sucks that people who managed to make a living from their hobby have gotten fucked over, but until we have some major regulatory and economic overhauls, that’s just how it works. Changing platforms is not a solution to that.
Because what’s the point otherwise. Let’s just make a YouTube without videos. That will surely work.
Convincing content creators to upload their videos to multiple platforms will be easy, as will uploading their old work
You just end up with a chicken and egg situation with viewers and creators.
Peertube works well so far, I use this instance which specialises in hosting music creative stuff https://rankett.net/w/nqE8nNjbau7Q5UuDFCMT9z
Not to mention the computing to re-encode stuff for different framerates and resolution
I’m not sure what it takes but TILVids doesn’t seem to have a problem loading videos…
You might not get 4k but is that really important?
TILVids has orders of magnitude less usage than YouTube, both in terms of storage and bandwidth.
Generally speaking you can expect to hit one bottleneck or another whenever you grow one order of magnitude, and fixing these becomes harder each time.
TILVids has orders of magnitude less usage than YouTube, both in terms of storage and bandwidth.
You’re not wrong but again, does that really matter? I can watch videos and they look just as good to my eye as they do on YT.
That depends on what you want. Folks where talking about a YouTube replacement. If TILVids is that for you right now and you don’t expect more content there then it’s all good.
This, also all (well, many) of the creators do it to make money.
Where does the storage for torrents come from?
Torrents are peer to peer. The storage comes exclusively from seeders. If nobody is seeding a torrent, and nobody has the data, it is dead and the data no longer exists.
I wonder if IPFS could have a part in this? We’ll find a solution.
IPFS has been very slow in my experience. Wonder if that could be improved.
Yeah I think most people thinking we can just replace YouTube do not understand the scale of their operation. What YouTube does is many many orders of magnitude bigger and more complex than anything happening on the fediverse. PeerTube is a joke by comparison. There is a reason that even when VC money was flowing like crazy, nobody was able to even think about launching a competitor.
On top of that, no platform can seek to replace YouTube without offering the same or better creator compensation. Free services will never meet that.
